Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9791 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Chattanoogan.com.

Zeke

Paris, TN

#9869 Jul 29, 2014
Geeze wrote:
Actually, all the links are there.
I just wondered how long it would take you to seize the opportunity to jump up & down pointing a finger without researching the data.
How many viral causes of paralysis are known today as opposed to say, 1954?
Do you know?
Look at the second post. You do NOT understand the research.

Regarding the second, you tell me.

Keep in mind that vaccines are not available, and the world population is over 7 billion compared to no more than 2 billion in 1950.

You provide the exact numbers and the sources for those numbers.

Autoimmunization vs immunization--remains a problem for you.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9870 Jul 29, 2014
That's vaccines are not available in all countries.
Typos do not invalidate the comments.
WTF

Lexington, TN

#9871 Jul 31, 2014
Finding the information regarding the polio statistics on the WHO website isn't as easy as it once was. As time passes, servers are upgraded, pages get moved. Links change.
Everything posted by "Geeze" can be found if you actually look.
And Zeke. Get a job you ridiculous hack. You and your pitiful "prove it" routine is beyond third rate.
You've never posted anything of substance and never will.

Geeze is right about polio. There never was an epidemic. There are, and always have been dozens of viruses that cause paralysis.
In 1950 mankind lacked the resources to identify them. Now we do. See how simple that is.
F.D.R. didn't have polio.
Polio struck children in the summer.
He was a 39 year old man with CLASSIC G.B.S. struck ill in December.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9872 Jul 31, 2014
WTF wrote:
Finding the information regarding the polio statistics on the WHO website isn't as easy as it once was. As time passes, servers are upgraded, pages get moved. Links change.
Everything posted by "Geeze" can be found if you actually look.
And Zeke. Get a job you ridiculous hack. You and your pitiful "prove it" routine is beyond third rate.
You've never posted anything of substance and never will.
Geeze is right about polio. There never was an epidemic. There are, and always have been dozens of viruses that cause paralysis.
In 1950 mankind lacked the resources to identify them. Now we do. See how simple that is.
F.D.R. didn't have polio.
Polio struck children in the summer.
He was a 39 year old man with CLASSIC G.B.S. struck ill in December.
Another crank aren't you? None if you anti-vacs and pseudo scientists have added nothing of substance to this thread. This post is a shining example.

As I have written before, if you make outrageous claims that contradict standard scientific claims, then you need to provide the evidence.

1. If indeed the evidence referenced by Geeze is available, then provide specific URL's to the sources.

2. Geeze has made it clear in a number if posts that he does not understand the research reports he claims to have read.

3. Given number 2, any educated person is likely to discount Geeze's claims about so-called evidence lurking on his hard drive or in the nether regions of the Internet.

4. The remarks about changes in links do not apply in this case. I have had no problem in finding links posted by Geeze. However, Geeze, and now you, are relulctant to provide sources for most of you claims.

5. Given your implied claims that my demands for evidence are unreasonable, and "third rate" then I don't need to provide any more evidence than exhibited in your post, to concluded that you are a ignorant fool with an agenda, If not an idiot.
logical fallacy

Killen, AL

#9873 Jul 31, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
Another crank aren't you? None if you anti-vacs and pseudo scientists have added nothing of substance to this thread. This post is a shining example.
As I have written before, if you make outrageous claims that contradict standard scientific claims, then you need to provide the evidence.
1. If indeed the evidence referenced by Geeze is available, then provide specific URL's to the sources.
2. Geeze has made it clear in a number if posts that he does not understand the research reports he claims to have read.
3. Given number 2, any educated person is likely to discount Geeze's claims about so-called evidence lurking on his hard drive or in the nether regions of the Internet.
4. The remarks about changes in links do not apply in this case. I have had no problem in finding links posted by Geeze. However, Geeze, and now you, are relulctant to provide sources for most of you claims.
5. Given your implied claims that my demands for evidence are unreasonable, and "third rate" then I don't need to provide any more evidence than exhibited in your post, to concluded that you are a ignorant fool with an agenda, If not an idiot.
Every time you post, this is what I see.

Ad hominem logical fallacy

Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.

Logical Form:

Person 1 is claiming Y.
Person 1 is a moron.
Therefore, Y is not true.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/...
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9874 Jul 31, 2014
logical fallacy wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time you post, this is what I see.
Ad hominem logical fallacy
Description: Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making.
Logical Form:
Person 1 is claiming Y.
Person 1 is a moron.
Therefore, Y is not true.
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/...
You do not understand ad hominem at all.

1. To say that I question what you say because you have not provided acceptable evidence is not an adhominem. Failure to provide evidence is not "completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making".

2. Given that Geeze provided evidence (e.g. confusing autoimmunization with immunization) that she/he dies not have enough understanding of science to interpret the reports occasionally cited. Again this is not an adhomimem--Geeze's failure to understand the material is not "completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making".

Medicine is not simply a matter of "common sense" as some posters would have us believe. I don't visit my barber for an appendix operation.
vote no gay

Knoxville, TN

#9876 Aug 1, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not understand ad hominem at blah blah blah blah
If there was immunization against stupidity you would would get the inoculation in Paris Tn.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9877 Aug 1, 2014
vote no gay wrote:
<quoted text>
If there was immunization against stupidity you would would get the inoculation in Paris Tn.
It appears that you have nothing of value to offer here.

Do you now feel better that you have had your childish tantrum?

"Silly shit" does not begin to describe you.
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9878 Aug 1, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
It appears that you have nothing of value to offer here.
Do you now feel better that you have had your childish tantrum?
"Silly shit" does not begin to describe you.
Well, that;s all they have. They can't make a logical argument. They only have conspiracy theory sources. When they do try to use real sources, it proves them wrong. Now they can't even be humorous, so stick a fork in 'em, they're done.
Moma

United States

#9879 Aug 1, 2014
hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>if your child attends school yes they are mandatory,no way around it,,also the courts have ruled in several cases not getting the shots is child neglect.
That exactly what I said, u cannot enroll ur child in school without them...an if u didn u would have the school board to deal with, then the gov would step in...home school maybe, but before this thread I had always thought they we mandatory...already???
WOW

Lexington, TN

#9880 Aug 1, 2014
Moma wrote:
<quoted text> That exactly what I said, u cannot enroll ur child in school without them...an if u didn u would have the school board to deal with, then the gov would step in...home school maybe, but before this thread I had always thought they we mandatory...already???
There are exemptions for all states but 2 & Tennessee ain't one of them.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccin...

Both religious & medical exemptions apply to Tn.
I argued that religion is a philosophy & they conceded.

LEARN YOUR RIGHTS.
WOW

Lexington, TN

#9883 Aug 1, 2014
One wonders about the risks of the HPV vaccine when long term cancer studies have not been done.
There is another serious question that may be answered sooner: what effect will the vaccine have on the other cancer-causing strains of HPV? Nature never leaves a void, so if HPV-16 and HPV-18 are suppressed by an effective vaccine, other strains of the virus will take their place. The question is, will these strains cause cervical cancer?

Results from clinical trials are not encouraging. Vaccinated women show an increased number of precancerous lesions caused by strains of HPV other than HPV-16 and HPV-18. The results are not statistically significant, but if the trend is real – and further clinical trials should tell us in a few years – there is reason for serious concern!!!!!!!

In an article in the New England Journal of Medicine “ Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination – Reasons for Caution”, Dr. Haug again poses the question of replacement:

“How will the vaccine affect other oncogenic strains of HPV? If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes”."

YOU FOOLS NEED TO READ READ READ!!!!!
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9884 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm c/articles/PMC3170075/
VACCINES KILL BABIES YOU DUMBSHITZ!!!!!!!!
Try less caffeine and looser tin foil.
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9885 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/bl og/multiple-infant-vaccines-li nked-dramatically-increased-mo rtality
ALL THE LINKS ARE THERE AZZHOLES!!!!!!!!!
There are also links about aliens, werewolves and bigfoot. They are all entertaining and wrong as the day is long.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9886 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/bl og/multiple-infant-vaccines-li nked-dramatically-increased-mo rtality
ALL THE LINKS ARE THERE AZZHOLES!!!!!!!!!
Yeah right!

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/03/950...
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9887 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
One wonders about the risks of the HPV vaccine when long term cancer studies have not been done.
There is another serious question that may be answered sooner: what effect will the vaccine have on the other cancer-causing strains of HPV? Nature never leaves a void, so if HPV-16 and HPV-18 are suppressed by an effective vaccine, other strains of the virus will take their place. The question is, will these strains cause cervical cancer?
Results from clinical trials are not encouraging. Vaccinated women show an increased number of precancerous lesions caused by strains of HPV other than HPV-16 and HPV-18. The results are not statistically significant, but if the trend is real – and further clinical trials should tell us in a few years – there is reason for serious concern!!!!!!!
In an article in the New England Journal of Medicine “ Human Papilloma Virus Vaccination – Reasons for Caution”, Dr. Haug again poses the question of replacement:
“How will the vaccine affect other oncogenic strains of HPV? If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes”."
YOU FOOLS NEED TO READ READ READ!!!!!
The results are not statistically significant, but if the trend is real – and further clinical trials should tell us in a few years – there is reason for serious concern!!!!!!!

Note the expressions. "Not statistically significant" And "if the trend is real" The first statement implies that there is no evidence for "the trend"

Fools like you need to comprehend what you read. Your post suggests that you cannot,
Concerned

France

#9888 Aug 2, 2014
Yes
WOW

Lexington, TN

#9889 Aug 2, 2014
Zeke wrote:
FOLLOW THE LINKS TO THE STUDIES YOU DUMBAZZ!!!
ALL THE STUDIES ARE THERE!!!
VACCINES KILL. OUR OWN GOVERNMENT PAYS VICTIMS OF VACCINE INJURY!!!
VICP.
ZEKE & WTH POST LIKE THEY GET PAID TO!!!
PAID SHILLS FOR PHARMA!!!
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9890 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
FOLLOW THE LINKS TO THE STUDIES YOU DUMBAZZ!!!
ALL THE STUDIES ARE THERE!!!
VACCINES KILL. OUR OWN GOVERNMENT PAYS VICTIMS OF VACCINE INJURY!!!
VICP.
ZEKE & WTH POST LIKE THEY GET PAID TO!!!
PAID SHILLS FOR PHARMA!!!
As I wrote in the earlier post-- you apparently cannot comprehend what you read. From the posts you folks have made here, it ks clear that most of you anti-vacs people seem to be the same boat.

You want me to believe what you claim, then provide the evidence.

The argument that the pharms are out to get is not evidence-- there is no logical inconsistency in claiming both:

There is corruption in the drug industry

Many drugs are effective in the prevention and treatment of diseases.

If you don't believe that, then I suggest you visit your faith healer the next time you are ill.

The all caps suggests that you are having a tantrum.
Consider growing up.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9891 Aug 2, 2014
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
FOLLOW THE LINKS TO THE STUDIES YOU DUMBAZZ!!!
ALL THE STUDIES ARE THERE!!!
VACCINES KILL. OUR OWN GOVERNMENT PAYS VICTIMS OF VACCINE INJURY!!!
VICP.
ZEKE & WTH POST LIKE THEY GET PAID TO!!!
PAID SHILLS FOR PHARMA!!!
I have followed the links. Problem is, Geeze, you cannot understand the reports.

I like Geeze rather than Wow as a handle here.

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