Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9780 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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SomeOne

Johnson City, TN

#8324 Jul 13, 2013
zmxk wrote:
Kankakee
Your brilliance is truly exceptional. So pithy, so insightful, so clever.
ivy

Jackson, TN

#8325 Jul 13, 2013
Better

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8327 Jul 14, 2013
New study finds that mothers of autistic children are 21x more likely to have antibodies in their system associated with their immune system having attacked the fetus.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/new...

So, I supposed what's happening is that a child gets vaccinated which causes the mother's body to produce the antibody retroactively back through time to the pregnancy...

Or, WAKEFIELD WAS F'ING LYING.
SomeOne

Johnson City, TN

#8328 Jul 14, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
New study finds that mothers of autistic children are 21x more likely to have antibodies in their system associated with their immune system having attacked the fetus.
http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/new...
So, I supposed what's happening is that a child gets vaccinated which causes the mother's body to produce the antibody retroactively back through time to the pregnancy...
Or, WAKEFIELD WAS F'ING LYING.
Or, more likely, that the child's autism causes the development of the antibodies in the mother.:)

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8329 Jul 14, 2013
SomeOne wrote:
<quoted text>
Or, more likely, that the child's autism causes the development of the antibodies in the mother.:)
Retroactively through time....

So, here's two possible scenarios:

Scenarios one:
The female immune system reacts to the presence of the fetus as if it were a kind of infection and produces antibodies which negatively effect brain development. This explains increases in autism rates among older women and higher rates of autism in boys rather than girls.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/201002...
http://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/facts...

The child is born with different brain development which isn't easily detected in infants because, let's face it, infants aren't terrible social.

However, around the time the child reaches various learning milestones, it becomes clear that they are developing differently.

Coincidentally, this is also when the child is getting their shots.

NOT coincidentally, autistic children who never get those shots have the same development rate and prevelance as those that do.

Scenario Two:
Mothers of all different ages all have perfectly normal children who develop perfectly normally until the evil pharma companies give them autism. Then, the fact that the child has a disability causes the mother's body to produce an immunoresponse but this same response is NOT present in the father, the aunt, the sister, the teacher or anyone else in contact with the child.

And the pharma companies are deliberately targeting boys and children of old mothers to turn autistic with their magic vaccines.

Also, they turn an equal percentage of unvaccinated children autistic just to keep it secret.

Hrmmmm, which sounds more like science and which sounds more like fiction?
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#8330 Jul 14, 2013
1 in 10,000 Amish children have Autism.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/olmsted-on...

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8331 Jul 14, 2013
Hey wrote:
1 in 10,000 Amish children have Autism.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/olmsted-on...
Lots of inbreeding in the Amish. Perhaps they lack of genetic marker.

Any idea on rates among Asians/Indians/etc?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8332 Jul 14, 2013
I read the other day that, they now suspect that exposure of the Mother to pesticides might be one of the causes of Autism in the Child.
Aunt George

Yekaterinburg, Russia

#8333 Jul 15, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of inbreeding in the Amish. Perhaps they lack of genetic marker.
Any idea on rates among Asians/Indians/etc?
I hear a lot of inbreeding goes on in Tennessee too any idea why?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8334 Jul 15, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
I read the other day that, they now suspect that exposure of the Mother to pesticides might be one of the causes of Autism in the Child.
That wouldn't explain why autism rates are pretty stable across countries, counties, states, etc.

No reason to believe that a woman in rural Iowa is getting the same exposure to pesticides as a woman in metropolitan Denmark.

Also wouldn't explain why older women are having more autistic children.
Uncle Sally

Germany

#8335 Jul 15, 2013
Aunt George wrote:
<quoted text>I hear a lot of inbreeding goes on in Tennessee too any idea why?
Ask your butty SSS, she knows all about that subject.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8336 Jul 15, 2013
Uncle Sally wrote:
<quoted text>Ask your butty SSS, she knows all about that subject.
Only what I've learned from Topix. For instance, notice the Names, "uncle and then, different Womens' names"...kinda says it all, doesn't it, about the results of Inbreeding.
I hear it's quite common up in East TN, when the majority of the TEApublicans live.
Just for the record, I don't live on East TN. and I don't plan to, either.
That's pretty the extent of my knowledge on the Subject and that's more than I ever wanted to know. But, there seems to be a lot of the Poster Trolls on topix that are very familiar with it, as well as the results of it!
Auntie Fred

New York, NY

#8337 Jul 15, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
Only what I've learned from Topix. For instance, notice the Names, "uncle and then, different Womens' names"...kinda says it all, doesn't it, about the results of Inbreeding.
I hear it's quite common up in East TN, when the majority of the TEApublicans live.
Just for the record, I don't live on East TN. and I don't plan to, either.
That's pretty the extent of my knowledge on the Subject and that's more than I ever wanted to know. But, there seems to be a lot of the Poster Trolls on topix that are very familiar with it, as well as the results of it!
How many inbreeds you have in your family?
blippy

Morristown, TN

#8338 Jul 15, 2013
If you do not take the time to research both sides of this issue then why would you trust the state to mandate that chemicals be jabbed into their veins at such a young age. Don't just take what the government and AMA have to say about this as gospel. Read scientific studies done in other countries as well. It is a choice of the parents and you have the RIGHT to opt out of the vaccination program. If vaccines worked so well then why did those kids catch the diseases when they were over seas? LMAO

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8339 Jul 15, 2013
blippy wrote:
If you do not take the time to research both sides of this issue then why would you trust the state to mandate that chemicals be jabbed into their veins at such a young age. Don't just take what the government and AMA have to say about this as gospel. Read scientific studies done in other countries as well. It is a choice of the parents and you have the RIGHT to opt out of the vaccination program. If vaccines worked so well then why did those kids catch the diseases when they were over seas? LMAO
You do have the right to opt out.

And, if you choose to opt out, then there are consequences of making that choice.

One of those consequences is that your children are not allowed to attend public school. Period.

You ask that people read articles but you discount the scientifically relavent ones in favor of bullsh1t cobbled off the internet.

EVERY study, and there have been HUNDREDS at this point, demonstrates that Wakefield was lying.

EVERY new bit of data that comes in contradicts Wakefield.

Your argument comes down to this:

Ignore the THOUSANDS of scientists and doctors in favor of what one discredited VACCINE MAKER claimed in order to sell HIS vaccine over other people's vaccines.

That's not rational behavior.
anyone

United States

#8340 Jul 15, 2013
Auntie Fred wrote:
<quoted text>How many inbreeds you have in your family?
not trying to be an grammer nazi but, I think it would be How many inbred people are in your family? or maybe Is there inbreeding in your family. "how many inbreeds you have in your family?" thats just very poor
factchecker

United States

#8341 Jul 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of inbreeding in the Amish. Perhaps they lack of genetic marker.
Any idea on rates among Asians/Indians/etc?
Lots ofinbreeding in Amish communities ? Your an idot who must get your 411 from a whiskey glass. People like you who vomit garbage as if they had a clue make me laugh. Having dealt with several Amish i found some of the most devoted Christians of any group ive met. Why dont you get a life and stop trying to show the world how ignorant you really are?
Know the facts

Franklin, TN

#8342 Jul 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
You do have the right to opt out.
And, if you choose to opt out, then there are consequences of making that choice.
One of those consequences is that your children are not allowed to attend public school. Period
EVERY study, and there have been HUNDREDS at this point, demonstrates that Wakefield was lying.
EVERY new bit of data that comes in contradicts Wakefield.
r.exemption
Children may indeed attend school without vaccinations.
Every state has a medical exemption. Many states offer philosopical exemptions. Some offer religious exemptions.
Wakefield's "study" (it is actually a PAPER) is not about autism. It is about bowel disease.
Cyndi

Wartburg, TN

#8344 Jul 16, 2013
Every kid needs immunizations. If parents don't take their child to get them they are just asking for something bad to happen to their kids. I will and do everything possible to keep my kids healthy and safe.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#8346 Jul 16, 2013
factchecker wrote:
<quoted text> Lots ofinbreeding in Amish communities ? Your an idot who must get your 411 from a whiskey glass. People like you who vomit garbage as if they had a clue make me laugh. Having dealt with several Amish i found some of the most devoted Christians of any group ive met. Why dont you get a life and stop trying to show the world how ignorant you really are?
Do you have any idea what polydactylism is? I know it's a "big" word. See if there's an adult there who can help you.

It's when people have more than 5 fingers or toes.

Alleles that lead to polydactylism among the normal population: 1/1000
Among the Amish 1/14

That's an EXTREMELY high rate. You can't get a rate that high without inbreeding.

I'm not talking about father/daughter stuff. I'm talking multiple generations of first and second cousins.

There is A LOT of inbreeding among the Amish. They are a closed off, small community which frequently marry within their own group and rarely bring in fresh genetic material from outsiders.

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