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Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9774 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7329 May 3, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
Total Ideological BS. Walk in front of a bus doing about 50 miles an hour, only, and see what happens.
Put a loaded gun barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger, and see what happens.
Some people simply refuse to use the brain that God gave them and that's really why we're all in the mess we're in, today.
Too many listening to False Prophets and letting them tell them what to think, instead of thinking for themselves....Christian Radicals!
Just as dangerous as any Muslim Radical...a Radical is dangerous, no matter what Religion they believe in, because they are controlled by an Ideology...an EVIL Ideology...that's what makes them a Radical. And to use an old phase, "that's the Devil's Workshop", no matter what Religion it is! Don't believe it? Just look around you and see the damage it's already done...to ALL of us!
Okay, just one thing here. "Christian Radicals"? I kinda see myself as a "Christian Radical" because I'm so radically different from most who call themselves "Christian". May I, respectfully, suggest ... "Religious Radicals" which will cover a larger group, or maybe just "Lemmings" which will cover an even larger demographic including all of those who refuse to think, and take responsibility, for themselves? Aside from that I am compelled to agree, though I wish this were not so.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7331 May 3, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
Not to trip the "Hitler" card, but this is like saying to a WWII historian that he talks about Hitler all the time.
Wakefield is the ORIGIN of the vaccine/autism lie. Of course I'm going to talk about Wakefield. If he hadn't made it up, you wouldn't be here arguing it now.
Most that I know talk mainly about how the US was drawn into the war by convincing Japan that the US and China were colluding against them, thus manipulating Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor to attempt to prevent this union. Truth is, the People did not want to get involved, just like in the first World War, and just like in the first we were dragged into it by manufactured rhetoric. But, you know, that's just the ones I know.
Nuggin wrote:
Point out the specific person at the CDC who is both making recommendations on vaccine schedules AND was responsible for the start of the Vietnam war. Can you?
Not the same people.
True, they aren't the same people, but interestingly they all follow the same agenda. Watch any "News" broadcast and how odd is it to hear the same buzz words coming from diverse organizations? The word "Radicalize", "Radicalization", and plain old "Radical" have been prominent lately, but do you know why, and what agenda is driving the usage of that word? If not, don't sweat it, you're not alone. There are other words that are also cycling through, but I'd dare say that unless they tap on your particular compartment you're probably missing them.
Nuggin wrote:
Do you honestly not know? Or are you being deliberately stupid?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are honestly dumb.
The population growth rate for so called "1st world" countries is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than that of 3rd world countries. That's because our better access to health care means that parents can be more secure in their belief that any given child will survive to adulthood.
The sad truth is, when you lose children to malaria at the rate they do in Africa, you have more kids to cover the losses.
As Bill _ACTUALLY SAID IN THE TALK_ when countries have medical security the people choose to have less children.
Of course, you didn't actually bother to read what he said or try and grasp context. You latched onto whatever out of context quote best fit your conspiracy theory and ran with it.
Heaven forbid the truth get in the way or your ideology.
Oh yes, that has worked so well here in the US. Well, it has in the more affluent communities, but not so much in the less affluent it seems.

The central issue here, as I see it, is ownership. Who owns me, who owns my children? I have to ask you why you've worked so hard to distract from that central issue.

You know? Someone should be logging this for future review. I'm guessing this might be very interesting reading in three to five years.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7332 May 3, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
Oh yes, that has worked so well here in the US. Well, it has in the more affluent communities, but not so much in the less affluent it seems.
... really? You aren't even thinking before you post, are you?

The point Bill made was _access to health care results in a reduction in the number of children families choose to have_.

Your counter to that is that in America only the wealthy families (AKA _the ones with access to health care_) are seeing a reduction in birthrate while the poor families (AKA _the ones WITHOUT access to health care_) are still having high birth rates.

In other words _exactly what Bill said_!
The central issue here, as I see it, is ownership. Who owns me, who owns my children? I have to ask you why you've worked so hard to distract from that central issue.
First off, I'd like to point out this sentence of yours:

"Who owns my children?"

Pretty f'ing ironic.

Second, you don't have the right to endanger other people. Criminals own their own bodies, but we lock those bodies in jails.

You are allowed to make decisions, but you need to LIVE WITH the decisions you make.

If you decide that you want to carry around a machete and swing it randomly, you are free to do so. However, you must stay on your own property and at least two arm lengths away from everyone else.

If you decide to be a harbor for infectious disease, then you must stay away from people for whom that disease is a serious threat.

That means that children who are not vaccinated will not be allowed in public schools where their lack of responsibility can harm the children of more responsible parents.

Again, you are FREE to do whatever the hell you want. You just have to LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES of those choices.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7333 May 3, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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... really? You aren't even thinking before you post, are you?
The point Bill made was _access to health care results in a reduction in the number of children families choose to have_.
Your counter to that is that in America only the wealthy families (AKA _the ones with access to health care_) are seeing a reduction in birthrate while the poor families (AKA _the ones WITHOUT access to health care_) are still having high birth rates.
In other words _exactly what Bill said_!
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First off, I'd like to point out this sentence of yours:
"Who owns my children?"
Pretty f'ing ironic.
Second, you don't have the right to endanger other people. Criminals own their own bodies, but we lock those bodies in jails.
You are allowed to make decisions, but you need to LIVE WITH the decisions you make.
If you decide that you want to carry around a machete and swing it randomly, you are free to do so. However, you must stay on your own property and at least two arm lengths away from everyone else.
If you decide to be a harbor for infectious disease, then you must stay away from people for whom that disease is a serious threat.
That means that children who are not vaccinated will not be allowed in public schools where their lack of responsibility can harm the children of more responsible parents.
Again, you are FREE to do whatever the hell you want. You just have to LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES of those choices.
Those of affluence tend to choose to either have fewer, or in some cases no, children for reasons other than access to health care, or do you really think they're that superficial? Their choices come from an improved education and based in a deeper reflection on the human condition.

You really are quite presumptuous in telling me what my rights are not, while avoiding the central issue. Are your textual criticism skills so poor?

What I am doing is putting you and your words on display. We have reached the point where you have established certain patterns of action that are visible to those reading. I tend to believe in the innate intelligence of individuals, and I don't look at people as a herd.

All things have consequences, some good, some bad. Perhaps you're beginning to see that you too have consequences, some of which will have effects on your children, and their children as well, perhaps to the third and fourth generations. But then, maybe you haven't thought about it that far. I honestly don't know, but your own doctrine of interdependence says that my choices with my own children will have repercussions for generations to come, not just with my own progeny, but also with all of those they interact with. I am quite content with the dynamics I've set in motion, are you?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7334 May 3, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
your own doctrine of interdependence says that my choices with my own children will have repercussions for generations to come, not just with my own progeny, but also with all of those they interact with. I am quite content with the dynamics I've set in motion, are you?
Absolutely.

Just keep your unvaccinated children away from the public and we're all free to do as we like.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7335 May 3, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Absolutely.
Just keep your unvaccinated children away from the public and we're all free to do as we like.
My youngest turns 26 this year. And just who do you think you are to tell anyone what to do?

Thus far you've been rude, uncouth, quite vulgar at times, and you've argued against your own assumptions but not against much of anything I've said, yet you seek to exercise authority over me and mine?

While you hide behind your keyboard and spout your governmental slavery propaganda, doesn't it just irritate you to no end that there are those of us who are literate, learned, and stand against you? Call me stupid if it makes you feel like a big boy, but all you've done is parade for everyone else just how petty and small you are, and how closed your mind really is. I should also mention that you've illustrated quite nicely how judgmental you are.

So, aside from being an apologist for tyranny, a governmental stooge, judgmental and condemning, and not really all that good with the reading skills, what else do you want to show us?
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7336 May 3, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Unfortunately, judging by the level of intelligence that the Scud Trolls possess, on this Forum alone, I would have to say the Gov't. is right to assume that some of the People aren't capable of making their own decisions, in any sane and rational way.
So true, so true. I can't help but think they are victims of the government school system. It is odd how the government spends so much money on schools, yet education is so poor, but the government does get what it pays for.

To paraphrase, they want people educated just enough to operate the machinery and do the paperwork, but not capable of critical autonomous thinking. They want drones for their collective, not rational intelligent individuals because they don't conform so easily, and might lead some others to independent thoughts and actions of their own.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7337 May 3, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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My youngest turns 26 this year. And just who do you think you are to tell anyone what to do?
Who is telling anyone what to do?

You live in a society in which laws exist. You are free to choose to follow those laws or to break them.

If you choose to break those laws, then there will be consequences.

Stop trying to blame everyone else for decision you make.

If you speed, you will get a ticket.
If you shoot someone, you will go to jail.
If you drink too much, your liver will die.

It's all about choice.

If you choose to not vaccinate your children, you will have to home school them.

No one is forcing you to do anything.
While you hide behind your keyboard and spout your governmental slavery propaganda, doesn't it just irritate you to no end that there are those of us who are literate, learned, and stand against you?
It does not irritate me because, as you've demonstrated, you are neither literate, learned, nor mature enough to understand that I am not the government therefore standing against me is meaningless.

I am telling you how things should be. This isn't a debate. This is an education. I'm telling you how things ARE.

If you aren't capable of understanding how things are, that's not a problem for him. Your ignorance won't change the consequences of your actions.

You'll make your decisions. You'll have to live with the consequences. Period.

If you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you are choosing to keep them out of the public school system. That is all.

It's called freedom. Welcome to America.
I should also mention that you've illustrated quite nicely how judgmental you are.
Oh damn, I just bought this irony meter yesterday and now you've gone and broken it.
So, aside from being an apologist for tyranny, a governmental stooge, judgmental and condemning...
And here I was just reading about how you think I'm judgmental...

Seriously. You claim to have children near 30, but you sound like you're 15.
Hey

Crossville, TN

#7338 May 3, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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My youngest turns 26 this year. And just who do you think you are to tell anyone what to do?
Thus far you've been rude, uncouth, quite vulgar at times, and you've argued against your own assumptions but not against much of anything I've said, yet you seek to exercise authority over me and mine?
While you hide behind your keyboard and spout your governmental slavery propaganda, doesn't it just irritate you to no end that there are those of us who are literate, learned, and stand against you? Call me stupid if it makes you feel like a big boy, but all you've done is parade for everyone else just how petty and small you are, and how closed your mind really is. I should also mention that you've illustrated quite nicely how judgmental you are.
So, aside from being an apologist for tyranny, a governmental stooge, judgmental and condemning, and not really all that good with the reading skills, what else do you want to show us?
BRAVO.
Hey

Crossville, TN

#7339 May 3, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAT??? Where are you getting this stuff...out of some B-rated Movie??? This is "crazy Talk" and it doesn't even make sense...not the way you're telling it!
It's not making sense to you because you're brain dead.
How are those Zombies you talk about, doing?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#7340 May 3, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not making sense to you because you're brain dead.
How are those Zombies you talk about, doing?
Go hug your Assault Rifle, Darlin'...it feels neglected when you don't stroke it all the time!
DMB

United States

#7341 May 3, 2013
No..... As a parent, I should be able to do what is "RIGHT" and what is "SAFE" for my children... I want a "say so" as to what and when something is injected or administered to my children.... There is a lot of information that the FDA and the Government is not releasing about the long-term effects of these injections...
Elmer

Marlton, NJ

#7342 May 3, 2013
DMB wrote:
No..... As a parent, I should be able to do what is "RIGHT" and what is "SAFE" for my children... I want a "say so" as to what and when something is injected or administered to my children.... There is a lot of information that the FDA and the Government is not releasing about the long-term effects of these injections...
What injections?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#7343 May 3, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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So true, so true. I can't help but think they are victims of the government school system. It is odd how the government spends so much money on schools, yet education is so poor, but the government does get what it pays for.
To paraphrase, they want people educated just enough to operate the machinery and do the paperwork, but not capable of critical autonomous thinking. They want drones for their collective, not rational intelligent individuals because they don't conform so easily, and might lead some others to independent thoughts and actions of their own.
I don't happen to believe that, but if you're right , then the People are playing right into their hands by not making any attempt to educate themselves , in any way, on any subject. There are numerous sources of information that anybody can find and read, without hardly any effort, at all, and if they won't do it, then they are staying willfully ignorant on purpose, and waiting for somebody to tell them what to think about practically everything that matters....and THAT is their own fault!

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7345 May 4, 2013
DMB wrote:
No..... As a parent, I should be able to do what is "RIGHT" and what is "SAFE" for my children... I want a "say so" as to what and when something is injected or administered to my children.... There is a lot of information that the FDA and the Government is not releasing about the long-term effects of these injections...
First of all, there is PLENTY of information available about vaccines.

Second, you don't get to endanger the lives of children, yours or other people's, simply because of your own ignorance.

Third, it is neither right nor safe for you to fail to immunize your child.

When one of them dies of a preventable disease, I hope you think back to this thread and your position here rather than blaming the doctors who warned you well in advance.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7346 May 4, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
Just keep your unvaccinated children away from the public and we're all free to do as we like.
So what do you say when challenged?
Nuggin wrote:
Who is telling anyone what to do?
You live in a society in which laws exist. You are free to choose to follow those laws or to break them.
If you choose to break those laws, then there will be consequences.
Stop trying to blame everyone else for decision you make.
If you speed, you will get a ticket.
If you shoot someone, you will go to jail.
If you drink too much, your liver will die.
It's all about choice.
Driving is a privilege, not a right, but it does appear you have difficulty making that distinction, and the rest are direct violations of the rights and persons of other individuals. You do try so hard to compare apples and oranges, don't you?
Nuggin wrote:
If you choose to not vaccinate your children, you will have to home school them.
No one is forcing you to do anything.
Oh no, but I continue to pay taxes that pay for the government schools that you say my children can not attend, and I furthermore have to pay $3,000 / semester or more to home school them, oddly the same amount as to send them to a private school. Obviously you've never looked into this any farther than hearing about the program and a very basic and superficial grasp of the concept.
Nuggin wrote:
It does not irritate me because, as you've demonstrated, you are neither literate, learned, nor mature enough to understand that I am not the government therefore standing against me is meaningless.
I am telling you how things should be. This isn't a debate. This is an education. I'm telling you how things ARE.
If you aren't capable of understanding how things are, that's not a problem for him. Your ignorance won't change the consequences of your actions.
Who is "him"?

You are spouting rhetoric and propaganda.

You are right about this not being a debate. You would have to actually address something I've said, and maybe even show some comprehension of the issues and concepts presented.
Nuggin wrote:
You'll make your decisions. You'll have to live with the consequences. Period.
If you choose not to vaccinate your children, then you are choosing to keep them out of the public school system. That is all.
It's called freedom. Welcome to America.
<quoted text>
Oh damn, I just bought this irony meter yesterday and now you've gone and broken it.
<quoted text>
And here I was just reading about how you think I'm judgmental...
Seriously. You claim to have children near 30, but you sound like you're 15.
Irony? Really? Did it come with a compass attached?

15? Hmmm. Doppler Effect, obviously. You should brush up on how to interpret the Red Shift phenomenon, or in this case phenomenae {or phenomena if you prefer the more modern spelling}.

America? It is painfully obvious where your education in History has come from. Were you even aware that prior to the War Between the States, each state was considered independent and sovereign unto itself? It could be argued that it was the War Between the States that ended American Freedom as it had been known up until that time. America? Seems that you speak of things you don't understand, but that does seem to be your norm.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7347 May 4, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
BRAVO.
I appreciate that.(-:

Is this Education vs Indoctrination, or a battle of two philosophies? Each one of us must make that determination for ourselves, but this does illustrate the mentality that has sought to enslave others to a certain "way" of living their lives. The acclamation of the greater authority of the government, when in fact in the united States it was instituted to safeguard the rights of the people, not to rule over them as we see today. 180 years ago Alexis de Toqueville foresaw this, and warned us. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/DETOC/toc_i... This link is to the Table of Contents, but the specific chapter is found at http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/DETOC/ch4_0...

Once this was required reading, as was 1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm, Future Shock, and so many more. These were actually discussed in the classroom with teachers responsible for teaching the students how to think critically and concisely.

If we are true patriots, we must stand for the freedom this nation was founded upon, the freedom and autonomy of the individual, not the privilege of the corporate drone told that Rights are granted by the collective, and can be ungranted as well.

It is this corporate drone mentality that has been increasingly cultivated for the past 100 years, and pushed hard for the past 80 resulting in the "Dumbing Down of America". The information remains available, just not spoon fed to us, so when all is said and done it can be reasoned that it was the will of the people, though by omission for the agenda to unfold as it has and will. It is written that when good men remain silent, evil rules the land, and so it does, has, and will continue until opposed.
DMB

United States

#7348 May 4, 2013
If the government doesn't want u to know what the vaccines are truly for then ur not going to know, that's pretty simple. Doesn't matter how much u read about it! That's why we have suspicion, vaccines healthy or not?!? Government is f'd up in all aspects!
Free America

Oak Ridge, TN

#7349 May 4, 2013
http://www.politicolnews.com/monsanto-nestle-...

It could be said that the government has given Monsanto full ownership rights to human Breast Milk. Something about this article seemed to fit with the discussion here.
DMB

United States

#7350 May 4, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, there is PLENTY of information available about vaccines.
Second, you don't get to endanger the lives of children, yours or other people's, simply because of your own ignorance.
Third, it is neither right nor safe for you to fail to immunize your child.
When one of them dies of a preventable disease, I hope you think back to this thread and your position here rather than blaming the doctors who warned you well in advance.

Who do you think is behind the diseases????? Probably the " Good Old Government" .... Do you know that the "Wold Saving" " Mandatory" vaccines back in the 60' & 70's had a cancer gene imbedded in it to slowly weaken the population generations later????...... Vaccines have been packed with mercury which will destroy cells on a molecular level...... This is information is out, just dig dig dig to find it..

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