Ex-Iredell teacher now faces 208 sex ...

Ex-Iredell teacher now faces 208 sex charges, including 97 added this week

There are 10 comments on the The Charlotte Observer story from Apr 3, 2013, titled Ex-Iredell teacher now faces 208 sex charges, including 97 added this week. In it, The Charlotte Observer reports that:

John Thomas Patterson Jr., 65, of Mooresville, was arrested last week and accused of inappropriately touching students while he was a teacher in the 1980s at Mount Mourne Elementary School.

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Alfred E Newman

Cherryville, NC

#1 Apr 3, 2013
And the feeding frenzy begins.
We are expected to believe that this man sexually touched students 207 times decades ago and all these now adults are coming forward now to say "yes, when I was a child this man touched me with sexual intent." Come on folks. Think back. Do you remember enough detail to bring criminal charges against someone and be able to say with conviction that the man in question had lust on his heart when he touched you when you were a CHILD? I recently went back to a small town, that has not changed in years, I had not been to this town in 9 years. Guess what? I got lost. I had remembered details wrong. I mean that I was embarrassed by how I had remembered the place. And that was when I was an adult. Recently and 9 years ago I was an adult. Now 14 people are jumping at the chance to convict a man based on memories that they absorbed while children and to swear in a court of law decades later that this man is a monster or had been a monster? Does not anyone else see the problem with this?
I hope that every one of those people are falsely accused of crimes that they did not commit. Everyone that throws stones should have to live in a glass house for awhile.
I also have a hard time believing that a man could touch 14 children with lust in his heart 207 times and no one has ever said anything till now.

Now is the age of Sandusky and million dollar lawsuits against Penn State.

Could past memories be reshaped for the chance of future dollars?
Mary Nell Coblentz

Clarksdale, MS

#2 Apr 4, 2013
Thank you, Alfred Newman, for your comments!!!

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#3 Apr 5, 2013
Shame on you for discounting those who have come forward. Until it happens to you and you know what it's like for those adults now, you need to end your ignorant rants. I've met this man and from the moment I met him it was clear to me he was/is a sick person. He has pedoephile written all over him. Sounds like the good ole boy system strikes the ARP again, planning on covering this up? Are the children safe at Coddle Creek? Are you going to discount any members or former members who might have been touched by this sick man. Ultimately God knows what he has done and that is all that matters.

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#4 Apr 5, 2013
So you know what is going on in someones heart. Wow I thought only God knows that. Pretty presumptuous of you.
How kind of you to wish bad things on someone else.
And yes it is possible to have kept what happened in for years and yes they will remember details. Don't even try to think you know anything about this situation, what is going on in the hearts of these victims, the struggle of trying to make it through the day, the struggles with relationships they will endure, the counseling they go through.
No you would rather have a pervert serving in the church around children than face the truth.
Alfred E Newman

Cherryville, NC

#5 Apr 5, 2013
No, how presumptuous you are for judging this man. When did you become judge and jury? My point is that how on Earth can anyone be judged fairly based on memory decades after the supposed crime? There is no physical evidence what so ever. It is 14 individuals word against his. Because there are so many people willing to come forward it will be assumed that he is guilty. That is what happened to Sandusky. In the Sandusky case all of those individuals that testified have been are will see a financial windfall based on their testimony. I believe that the possibility exists that memory can change over time. People will remember things based on how they Want to remember things. That is a scientific fact.
You call him a pervert and say that you have met him and it was "clear" to you he was a sicko. Well good for you. You can spot sickos by looking at him. You need to fill our jails as quickly as you possibly can.

It is exactly people like you that so many innocent men have been sent to jail based on memory. Check out the Innocence Project.

Unfortunately this fellow will not have DNA to be able to prove his innocence. All he has is his word against a mob of people that should have come forward, if it is true, decades ago.

There is absolutely no way for memory to be so accurate to hold up in a court of law after such a long time has passed. But he will probably convicted under the premise of "where there is smoke there is probably fire".
And yes I think that people that accuse unjustly should meet people exactly like you. Someone that can spot a sicko at 100 yards.

Now if it comes out that these 14 individuals have been going through counselling for years there will be records of that. If there is bring it on. But I think not. Counselors worth their salt would have encouraged them to come forward many years ago.

Please have the courage to live in a glass house.

You without guilt please cast the first stone.
Alfred E Newman

Cherryville, NC

#6 Apr 5, 2013
Public hysteria regarding child molestation has changed the rules of the criminal justice system. Child physical and sexual abuse cases must be defended in an entirely different manner than the normal criminal case. In theory the constitutional rights of the defendant are still in place, however in reality those rights do not apply. The truth is: The accused is presumed to be guilty.

There is merely an appearance of constitutional rights for the accused in a child abuse case. The judge will still inform the jury that it must presume the defendant to be innocent and require the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. However in reality, once a false allegation is made, the defendant must both prove himself innocent and that something “did not happen”.

Our criminal justice system states that if the jury has a “reasonable doubt” then it must find the defendant “not guilty”. This theory simply does not apply to child sexual assault cases. The jury must be convinced they are not letting a child molester off and back into the community. The jury must absolutely believe in the innocence of the defendant. The state does not have to prove guilt, but simply make the accusation. Once the accusation is made, the defendant must prove innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. Failing that, the jury will not take a chance the defendant may be a child molester, and will convict.

How Did We Come to This?

The media, legislature and the “child saving industry” has created a national child molestation hysteria. Through their well funded efforts, the general public is convinced a child molester lurks behind every tree, waiting for the golden opportunity to snatch a child. In addition, not satisfied with just terrifying the public, these forces have created a perception that child abuse is rampantly occurring behind the closed doors of our neighbors and friends.

Many politicians seek and maintain their positions by running campaigns aimed at the voter’s emotional desire to protect children. An effective way to follow this campaign promise is to enact laws that eliminate basic rights of criminal defendants charged with any form of child abuse.

So cmc5047 you are typical of the NEW society. The hysteria has reached the point of absurdity. I suspect that these 14 have probably talked to each other and they may honestly believe that they have been abused. But memory has a way of playing tricks. It is the most unreliable form of evidence. Yet as a society we are more than willing to assign effectively life sentences to people in their 60s based on the most unreliable evidence possible.

Please do not get me wrong. I do not or have I ever condoned child sex abuse. I condone the idea that decades after a possible abuse happened we as a society would rely on such unreliable evidence. The only reason we are is because of the example of Sandusky. Prosecutors are chomping at the bit for the chance to make a name for themselves. That is the only reason that this case even brought charges. Prior to Sandusky a prosecutor would not even had tried.

Since: May 12

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#7 Apr 5, 2013
I'm one of those decades later who held onto it till I could no more. I'm not in the minority. Like I said before unless you have been in their shoes you have no idea. As for DNA if he fondled them on the outside of their clothes there would not be any DNA and that is some of the claims.
To say that police etc are causing hysteria is bogus. I know a cop in the victims unit for children and it is a problem. So we should just sit back and say and do nothing and hope nothing happens, rather ignorant. Should parents not tell their kids what to look for in order to keep their children from becoming victims or is that hysteria too. Look at the catholic church and the priests so I guess they are being blamed falsely. Child sexual abuse does happen behind closed doors and it can be and usually is a neighbor or family member. Look at statistics.
As for being able to sense a perv because I've been through. And Patterson is a known liar I know first hand.
As for judge and jury I think you play that pretty well. You are the one convinced no one can remember what happened to them in childhood and you are fine with them getting being accused falsely. And if you read the article their are some who don't want to go any further with charges.
Alfred E Newman

Cherryville, NC

#8 Apr 6, 2013
cmc5047 it amazes me how every word you utter re-enforces my argument. I wonder if you read what you write before you post. It appears to be murky as though you wrote it in an alcohol induced craze. You try to make a point by bringing in Catholic priests and how you know a cop in the victims unit as though that makes you an expert.

I know a surgeon but I do not think you would want me to operate on you.

I will make this my last response to you. To me it is like shooting fish in a barrel. There is no sport in it. I would rather respond to at least someone that is on the same intellectual planet as I am.

The scary part about it is that you are probably the perfect candidate for jury duty in the county you live in. You most likely believe that everyone that is charged with a crime is guilty of that crime. It is people like you that make fair and non- prejudicial justice almost impossible. You have decided that this man is a monster based on your gut feeling and having nothing to do with evidence. Think about it. What kind of evidence will there be after decades? Only one kind... Memory. And "statistically" it is the most unreliable available. Look it up if you do not believe me.

Good luck to you cmc5047 and I hope you are never judged by someone like you, for your sake.
marc

Gastonia, NC

#9 Mar 4, 2014
Alfred E Newman wrote:
And the feeding frenzy begins.
We are expected to believe that this man sexually touched students 207 times decades ago and all these now adults are coming forward now to say "yes, when I was a child this man touched me with sexual intent." Come on folks. Think back. Do you remember enough detail to bring criminal charges against someone and be able to say with conviction that the man in question had lust on his heart when he touched you when you were a CHILD? I recently went back to a small town, that has not changed in years, I had not been to this town in 9 years. Guess what? I got lost. I had remembered details wrong. I mean that I was embarrassed by how I had remembered the place. And that was when I was an adult. Recently and 9 years ago I was an adult. Now 14 people are jumping at the chance to convict a man based on memories that they absorbed while children and to swear in a court of law decades later that this man is a monster or had been a monster? Does not anyone else see the problem with this?
I hope that every one of those people are falsely accused of crimes that they did not commit. Everyone that throws stones should have to live in a glass house for awhile.
I also have a hard time believing that a man could touch 14 children with lust in his heart 207 times and no one has ever said anything till now.
Now is the age of Sandusky and million dollar lawsuits against Penn State.
Could past memories be reshaped for the chance of future dollars?
Well I will tell you this I can't speak for the others,but I was there when he taught and he didn't mess with me. I went to church with him and he was a math Tudor for me for awhile and in that time never made advances to me and I would have remembered it! Now knowing the history and him being accused in the past it is possible but 208 counts is a little crazy! I hope for these people's sake they are telling the truth cause come their day of judgement and they lie about that on a man. I would hate to be in their shoes
IAmActuallyALawy er

Mooresville, NC

#10 Mar 11, 2014
I understand your point about getting lost in a place after being gone a long time, but I'm pretty sure these people remember what road that perv was driving up.

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