Don't Ask, Don't Tell Ignites Gay Rights Discussions in Kansas ...

President Obama's pledge of support for gay rights drew a big reaction from advocates in the metro and across the nation.

[KCTB38]

The people demanding the change in this law (and others like it) have done a poor job in convincing me that what they are arguing is a civil rights issue. If you are of a differnt race, that is, undoubtedly the way you were born and thus your civil rights under the U.S. constitution should be and is protected. When you enter the area of lifestyle choice, a whole new dynamic is formed. Which lifestyles are protected, which ones are not? After all we have seen people (societies) make some poor choices in the past. I don't like the idea of an issue being force fed upon the population. Some of the "diversity training" happening in some schools is a good example.It appears, extreme. Come to the middle and make folks like me understand your point instead of fearing extreme ideology. Compromise is very American

[ltndncr59]

KCTB38 wrote:

The people demanding the change in this law (and others like it) have done a poor job in convincing me that what they are arguing is a civil rights issue. If you are of a differnt race, that is, undoubtedly the way you were born and thus your civil rights under the U.S. constitution should be and is protected. When you enter the area of lifestyle choice, a whole new dynamic is formed. Which lifestyles are protected, which ones are not? After all we have seen people (societies) make some poor choices in the past. I don't like the idea of an issue being force fed upon the population. Some of the "diversity training" happening in some schools is a good example.It appears, extreme. Come to the middle and make folks like me understand your point instead of fearing extreme ideology. Compromise is very American

You apparently haven't been keeping track of science. Sexual orientation is not a choice. Every major medical and psychological organization in the free world has made statements to that effect, and their statements are backed by sound scientific studies.
Religion IS a choice, and its also a "lifestyle", unlike homosexuality, and those who choose to adhere to a religion are protected.
Can you define for us this homosexual "lifestyle" that you seem to think exists? Can you explain to us why you think every homosexual in the world, or even most homosexuals fit into your stereotypical view of what a homosexual is? And can you tell us why you are so very interested in what other people are doing in their bedrooms? I know that I have no interest whatsoever who you choose to sleep with, unless you're sleeping with my husband.

[blasterboy1984]

Besides christianity is a lifestyle choice and it is protected so that argument is kind of moot.

[SFer]

Touché!

blasterboy1984 wrote:

Besides christianity is a lifestyle choice and it is protected so that argument is kind of moot.

[blasterboy1984]

SFer wrote:

Touché!
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Not that any of them would agree with me.

[KCTB38]

There you go I59, jump streight to the attack. That is why people think your type of views are EXTREME, and no, science does not back up yur argument. The biological functions present only in joining a egg (from a female human) and a sperm (from a male human) is the only way for humans to procreate. Another point worth noting, YOU are the one that brought up religion not me. Then you wonder why I say the people advocting this change hasn't done a good job. You make my argument for me.

[Just H3r3]

Linda wrote:

Since when does being hyperly-active in a chosen gay life-style become a civil rights?
I know this is juat a big bogus lies and deception from the perverts rich chosen gay folks out there!
They've been forcing us americans to give them special privileges and now they want more special rights! give us a break.... You "CHOOSE" to be gay plain and simple!
So, STOP raping our kids at our SCHOOLS, PARKS, MOVIES, & STREETS!
thank goodness for YES on 8!!!!!!

Linda is the type of people who just are so vile, ignorant, and hate-filled individual. Linda, You choose to be ignorant and hateful. Stop using children for your pathetic excuse as compassion or even as a defense. You are one of the most pathetic Californians out there who are so easily influenced by LIES and DECEIT that has been repetitively fed to you. Stop the LIES. Stop the Hate. Stop the Ignorant masses. You choose to be a sheep. DId you choose to be straight? Did you choose to be stupid? God. If I ever ran into you on the street and you spewed this ignorant rant, you would probably be laughed out.

[Just H3r3]

Linda wrote:

well, thank goodness that your speaking again with your lies of hate when in fact, it's the truth that you're RAPING our kids in our SCHOOL SYSTEM with your teaching that it's okay to be RAPED by gay folks!
So, please, I do hope you start telling the truth about you're chosen rich life-style!
and if anyone here can prove to me that a gay man can get another gay man 'PREGNANT!" then I'll change my views!
thank goodness for YES on 8!!!!!!!!!!

Where are you so called truth or facts? Dummy, it isn't chosen. You completely disregard anything that I have said. Did you choose to be straight? Well... If anything, Linda, you're an idiot. Completely blinded by your hate. Yes it is hate. Blindly at that. We'll see about this whole prop 8 debacle at the end. If you are basing everything on procreation, sterile hetero couples? elderly couples? etc. Hm...

[billyboy]

I really don't believe that the gay lifestyle should get this privilege. it says alot about our military. Having these indiviuals in the army/marines. This is goin to b a laughing stock, to America. What is President Obama thinking. This is ludicrous.

[Danny in KCKS]

billyboy wrote:

I really don't believe that the gay lifestyle should get this privilege. it says alot about our military. Having these indiviuals in the army/marines. This is goin to b a laughing stock, to America. What is President Obama thinking. This is ludicrous.

Great - bigotry in my own back yard.
Check your facts buddy - in countries of the world where homosexuals can serve openly, there is no major issue, nor are their militaries laughing stocks - check out Israel and the UK for example.
And if you are looking at toughening the standards for service, why don't you start with things like criminal records, and education, and not on orientation.
Finally, homosexuality is not a life style anymore than being straight is - so unless you want me to judge you based on the vocal fringes of your orientation, don't judge me based on your perceived stereotypes of mine.

[Just H3r3]

billyboy wrote:

I really don't believe that the gay lifestyle should get this privilege. it says alot about our military. Having these indiviuals in the army/marines. This is goin to b a laughing stock, to America. What is President Obama thinking. This is ludicrous.

These individuals are the one and the same. Fighting for our country and its citizens. Sorry to tell you but I think everyone else in the world already sees America as a laughing stock, hell look at you...

[blasterboy1984]

Just H3r3 wrote:

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These individuals are the one and the same. Fighting for our country and its citizens. Sorry to tell you but I think everyone else in the world already sees America as a laughing stock, hell look at you...

They always hold up the whole morale issue in our military even though the nations that do allow gay members to serve openly don't have an issue. Makes one think that it has more to do with how the people in our military are indoctrinated.

[ltndncr59]

KCTB38 wrote:

There you go I59, jump streight to the attack. That is why people think your type of views are EXTREME, and no, science does not back up yur argument. The biological functions present only in joining a egg (from a female human) and a sperm (from a male human) is the only way for humans to procreate. Another point worth noting, YOU are the one that brought up religion not me. Then you wonder why I say the people advocting this change hasn't done a good job. You make my argument for me.

I brought up religion as an example of a lifestyle choice being a protected category, since you keep insisting that homosexuality is a choice.
Your rambling on about procreation is simply that; rambling. I never claimed that two men or two women could make a child without the intervention of science. You know what, neither can infertile straight couples, or couples who are past the age of childbirth.
The FACT is, homosexuality has existed on this planet since life first started to be separated sexually. Every species that reproduces sexually exhibits homosexual behaviors. In species that pair bond for life (these species are very few, by the way), homosexual pair-bonds have been observed.
And what's the "I" for?

[ltndncr59]

KCTB38 wrote:

There you go I59, jump streight to the attack. That is why people think your type of views are EXTREME, and no, science does not back up yur argument. The biological functions present only in joining a egg (from a female human) and a sperm (from a male human) is the only way for humans to procreate. Another point worth noting, YOU are the one that brought up religion not me. Then you wonder why I say the people advocting this change hasn't done a good job. You make my argument for me.

And you didn't answer my question either. What is this "gay lifestyle" that you rant on about?

[ltndncr59]

Linda wrote:

Since when does being hyperly-active in a chosen gay life-style become a civil rights?
I know this is juat a big bogus lies and deception from the perverts rich chosen gay folks out there!
They've been forcing us americans to give them special privileges and now they want more special rights! give us a break.... You "CHOOSE" to be gay plain and simple!
So, STOP raping our kids at our SCHOOLS, PARKS, MOVIES, & STREETS!
thank goodness for YES on 8!!!!!!

Your insistence that homosexuality is a choice is ridiculous! For homosexuality to be a choice, it follows logically that heterosexuality is a choice as well. When did YOU choose YOUR sexual orientation, eh???? It is also logical that you would be able to choose again. So, can you choose to be gay? Today? How would you accomplish that?
Most child molestation is perpetrated by straight men. This is a fact, not a theory or an opinion. And if you're worried about your kids getting "raped," you should be keeping your eye on their peers, not on the nice gay couple that lives down the street.
It is another FACT that marriage, civil marriage, IS a right. The Supreme Court said so, and their rulings carry the weight of the Constitution. And at present, those enjoying your so-called "special" rights are NOT gay people, but married heterosexual couples. Over 1,100 rights, specifically.

[ltndncr59]

billyboy wrote:

I really don't believe that the gay lifestyle should get this privilege. it says alot about our military. Having these indiviuals in the army/marines. This is goin to b a laughing stock, to America. What is President Obama thinking. This is ludicrous.

To what 'lifestyle' are you referring, please?

[KCTB38]

I59 Your arguments are like the crook blaming the cops for enforcing the law. The only rants here are coming from you (well Linda did have one too). You spoke of other species having homo behaviors, hmm, on the farm when animals exhibit this type of behavior the other animals shun them for it and will not allow the homo animal to be part of the group. Like I said to start with, you don't do a good job convincing anyone that your view is anything but extreme. How many homo's in US? 1 mil, 2 mil, lets say for the sake of argument 3 mil. That is only 1% of the population.(US population is >300 mil) seems wierd that only 1% of the people would live this way. How curious. Like I said before, you make my argument for me. Your return with your bigger hammer is anticipated <smirk>

[blasterboy1984]

Actually the numbers that are accepted is between 5 and 10 percent. That would be between 15 and 30 million people in the US. Or...between .4 and .6 billion people worldwide. I would think that anyone would be a significant number of people to anyone.

[Sue Miller]

1/2 the women in the military are lesbian.. So, who cares... lol ... Gays have been serving for years ... and everyone knows it. Didn't hurt anything then.... won't hurt anything now... The only thing that hurts is ignorance and people focusing on stupid crap that doesn't matter.. instead of focusing on task at hand.(whatever that may be)...

Get over it folks. Gay people are here to stay.. and are not anymore abnormal then most straight folks.

[ltndncr59]

KCTB38 wrote:

I59 Your arguments are like the crook blaming the cops for enforcing the law. The only rants here are coming from you (well Linda did have one too). You spoke of other species having homo behaviors, hmm, on the farm when animals exhibit this type of behavior the other animals shun them for it and will not allow the homo animal to be part of the group. Like I said to start with, you don't do a good job convincing anyone that your view is anything but extreme. How many homo's in US? 1 mil, 2 mil, lets say for the sake of argument 3 mil. That is only 1% of the population.(US population is >300 mil) seems wierd that only 1% of the people would live this way. How curious. Like I said before, you make my argument for me. Your return with your bigger hammer is anticipated <smirk>

Your numbers are wrong, and funny you should bring up farm animals. You can hardly base conclusions about the natural world on the behavior of domesticated animals, now can you? You're a REAL brain surgeon, bucko. A rocket scientist, even.