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Bill would enlarge restaurant non-smoking sections

There are 52 comments on the St. Petersburg Times story from Oct 5, 2011, titled Bill would enlarge restaurant non-smoking sections. In it, St. Petersburg Times reports that:

Clearwater resident Dave Campbell smoked two packs a day until "the miracle happened" one morning in 1988: He just flat out quit cigarettes.

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More Ignorant Smokers

Duluth, GA

#49 Oct 11, 2011
EAGAN, Minn.(WCCO)— A restaurant fire in Eagan has prompted a warning to smokers.
Eagan fire chief Mike Scott says smoldering cigarette butts caused the fire that shut down the Cherokee Sirloin Room early Sunday — and he has a message for smokers.
“Don’t use flower pots for ash trays. I’ve been fire chief for about six years and I can easily say that that’s been the No. 1 cause of fires that I’ve seen in the last six years,” Scott said.
Scott said potting soil is combustible.
The cigarette butts were left in a flower pot on the second level of an outdoor deck.
The exterior of the restaurant received heavy damage.
The Cherokee Sirloin Room is closed but the owners plan to reopen after repairs.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#50 Oct 11, 2011
BillSmith70 wrote:
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Now that is amusing. You wish to use the government to force private property owners to do what they do not wish to do and you say I support tyranny? You obviously do not understand what words mean. But then again you were more than likely "educated" in a government school.
Now that is pathetic. You wish to enable addiction and you say that you DON'T support tyranny? You obviously don't understand what abstract concepts are. But then again you were more than likely not educated.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#51 Oct 11, 2011
BillSmith70 wrote:
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Let us meet for coffee and then I can prove to you, face to face, that I do not smoke.
This guy talking blood test or urine sample? Clearly this indicates a low level of concern for sanitation around other people's meals. SOUNDS like a smoker.
antismokersswall ow

Frederick, MD

#52 Oct 11, 2011
No Smoking Please wrote:
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I have a 12 incher!!!
Oh just stop it!!!

You've gone and got Hugh Jass all excited!!!

Boy is he going to be disappointed!!!

Since: Aug 10

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#53 Oct 11, 2011
No Smoking Please wrote:
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Sorry Willie I'm a Die Hard Republican Military Retired Vet that can read and understand the hazards of Second Hand Smoke.
I am not going to decide where I'm going to eat, drink and have fun based on someone else’s smoking habit. Years ago I used to but today with only 20% of the population that smokes, it's long overdue for the smokers to show some respect for others and to step outside smoke and step back in. If second hand smoke was only a nuisance I wouldn't be concerned but it being a proven health risk, HOW DARE YOU STILL THINK YOU CAN HARM OTHERS WITH YOUR SECOND HAND SMOKE!!! What the hell is wrong with you?
So being a former mercenary and a member of the demopublican party has WHAT to do with anything?

There is noting wrong with me. I have sense enough to go to places that do not allow smoking. You see, around here, people still have choices. Of course there are fascists, like yourself, that are trying to dictate what people allow on their property.

Since: Aug 10

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#54 Oct 11, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Now that is pathetic. You wish to enable addiction and you say that you DON'T support tyranny? You obviously don't understand what abstract concepts are. But then again you were more than likely not educated.
Wow, Orwell had a word for you and it was doublethink.

Addiction has nothing to do with property rights. Using the power of the government to force property owners to not allow things you do not agree with is tyranny. But then again, you were "educated" in a government school.

I will even help you out here:

Tyranny:
1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.
3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.
4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.

Freedom:
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#55 Oct 11, 2011
BillSmith70 wrote:
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Wow, Orwell had a word for you and it was doublethink.
Addiction has nothing to do with property rights.
Nor does "property rights" encompass "freedom".
BillSmith70 wrote:
Tyranny:
1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power
Sounds a lot like addiction to me.
BillSmith70 wrote:
Freedom:
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint
Addiction has a definite physical component to the restraint it imposes, therefore an addict is not free according to this one.
BillSmith70 wrote:
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
Well, now, apart from the manipulation that gets children started (and the vast majority of smokers became addicted before they developed proper decision-making facility, so the slickness of the tobacco industry's approach very nearly amounts to exerting control), I'd have to admit that the control was internal once the addiction takes hold.
BillSmith70 wrote:
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
There I believe addiction negates freedom again. There is definite restraint on self-determination when you can't do anything that requires concentration and the use of both hands for more than an hour or two at a time.

I think my point is made.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#56 Oct 11, 2011
More Ignorant Smokers wrote:
EAGAN, Minn.(WCCO)— A restaurant fire in Eagan has prompted a warning to smokers.
Eagan fire chief Mike Scott says smoldering cigarette butts caused the fire that shut down the Cherokee Sirloin Room early Sunday — and he has a message for smokers.
“Don’t use flower pots for ash trays. I’ve been fire chief for about six years and I can easily say that that’s been the No. 1 cause of fires that I’ve seen in the last six years,” Scott said.
Scott said potting soil is combustible.
The cigarette butts were left in a flower pot on the second level of an outdoor deck.
The exterior of the restaurant received heavy damage.
The Cherokee Sirloin Room is closed but the owners plan to reopen after repairs.
There was a similar comment on keeping their butts out of planters in another thread on a smoker-started fire here a week or so ago.

Since: Aug 10

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#57 Oct 12, 2011
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Nor does "property rights" encompass "freedom".
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Sounds a lot like addiction to me.
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Addiction has a definite physical component to the restraint it imposes, therefore an addict is not free according to this one.
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Well, now, apart from the manipulation that gets children started (and the vast majority of smokers became addicted before they developed proper decision-making facility, so the slickness of the tobacco industry's approach very nearly amounts to exerting control), I'd have to admit that the control was internal once the addiction takes hold.
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There I believe addiction negates freedom again. There is definite restraint on self-determination when you can't do anything that requires concentration and the use of both hands for more than an hour or two at a time.
I think my point is made.
You sure did make the point. You made the point that you have a low IQ level and that you do not understand the meaning of words.
No Smoking Please

Duluth, GA

#58 Oct 12, 2011
BillSmith70 wrote:
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So being a former mercenary and a member of the demopublican party has WHAT to do with anything?
There is noting wrong with me. I have sense enough to go to places that do not allow smoking. You see, around here, people still have choices. Of course there are fascists, like yourself, that are trying to dictate what people allow on their property.
So now you are calling me a "Former Mercenary"? Defending our country for over 22 years and I get that remark? Enough said, Pal!!!

Since: Aug 10

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#59 Oct 12, 2011
No Smoking Please wrote:
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So now you are calling me a "Former Mercenary"? Defending our country for over 22 years and I get that remark? Enough said, Pal!!!
Truth hurts, doesn't it? You were "defending" federal government interests, nothing more.
Aunt Sadie Supple

Brooksville, FL

#60 Oct 12, 2011
It seemed so sad when I recently drove by an ash tray factory and the sign in front said, " Shut down - out of business ". The windows were boarded up and grass wasn't cut in awhile.

I realize that many people are now using empty cat & dog food cans as ash trays but why did they have to put the ash tray companies out of business ?

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