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Al Gore Sellout

Clearfield, PA

#1 Jan 6, 2013
While you're pushing Christianity out the front door, Islam is coming in the back. They won't be putting up nativity scenes, they'll be cutting off your unbelieving heads.
George

Clearfield, PA

#2 Jan 6, 2013
Al Gore Sellout wrote:
While you're pushing Christianity out the front door, Islam is coming in the back. They won't be putting up nativity scenes, they'll be cutting off your unbelieving heads.
Why would I be a hypocrit, mid-Christian. If I am going to read and follow a religious doctrine, I will make damn sure it's something I am willing to do. Seriously, stop punishing yourself and following this garbage. Just because your daddy was a laborer in the union with a dirty old leather backed bible in his hand all the way from World War I preaching to his coworkers does not mean you need to do the same you doof.

There is just one small difference between you and him though. He was a REAL Christian and lived every day following that bible. When he had sex, he didn't wear a condom or use any form of birth control...that's why his family was so big. He didn't sit around and look at porn while he was married. He didn't own the newest and greatest car every 2 years, and finally, he went to church every Sunday. There is a difference now though in Churches, and trust me, I have been to many. They are all some kind of social get together, almost like a purse party or something of the like. People talk about how many new things they bought, the houses they are building, the clothes they are wearing, what they have been up to all week, their kids, drugs, sex, and dirty jokes! I once witnessed a member in the church share a filthy joke with the pastor, borderline sexual harrassment, and the pastor could NOT stop laughing!

The hypocrisy is so bad, it even exists in your preacher's life! What the hell! Why bother listening and respecting a preacher when he acts worse than you in his outside life, hell, a local preacher was convicted of sexual assaulting one of the church members. If that doesn't help you realize why the religion is phasing out, I don't know what will.
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#3 Jan 6, 2013
What makes you think atheists like Islam? I hate that belief system more than I hate any other. It's misogynistic and repressive with a violent core.

Most of the pushing against Christianity is simply because it is still, by leaps and bounds and miles, the dominant religious practice in the nation. Were Muslims making a push for an American Sharia law, I guarantee you'd see it hammered from every side by nonbelievers.

Anyone who legitimately thinks the days of laws demanding veiled women and executions for defying Allah are right around the corner has caved in to sensationalism and paranoia. If the Christian Right has failed to rise to power in a Christian-dominated country, and one with a secular foundation might I add, Islam will never gain more than a minor foothold in a few liberal areas with a strong Muslim population.

Spotting some Muslims in this country is hardly a sign that we're on the road to becoming one where the Quran is the final word. The media and pundits love using slippery slope logic to scare people.
George

Clearfield, PA

#4 Jan 6, 2013
Reverend Irreverent wrote:
What makes you think atheists like Islam?
Good call, Rev. The poster obviously is putting atheists and Islam in the same category? Obviously he is very confused and distraught by the media, as you said. Paranoid and ignorant, anyone can fall into this trap if they are unprepared.
Idiots R Us

Altoona, PA

#5 Jan 6, 2013
Both should be put in the same category ... of "Clueless Morons!
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#6 Jan 6, 2013
Idiots R Us wrote:
Both should be put in the same category ... of "Clueless Morons!
Elaborate.
Al Gore Sellout

Clearfield, PA

#7 Jan 6, 2013
George wrote:
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Good call, Rev. The poster obviously is putting atheists and Islam in the same category? Obviously he is very confused and distraught by the media, as you said. Paranoid and ignorant, anyone can fall into this trap if they are unprepared.
Wrong call, moron. Atheist should be more concerned with a religion that will put them to death instead of being insulted by crosses along the highway. It's not about comparing atheists to Islam but as expected, the idiots in Clearfield have no clue. Google the Al Gore reference if you aren't too busy looking for porn.
George

Clearfield, PA

#8 Jan 6, 2013
Al Gore Sellout wrote:
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Wrong call, moron. Atheist should be more concerned with a religion that will put them to death instead of being insulted by crosses along the highway. It's not about comparing atheists to Islam but as expected, the idiots in Clearfield have no clue. Google the Al Gore reference if you aren't too busy looking for porn.
You've watched too much Fox News. Islamic faith is not a murderous one. There are a few extremists with the lacking rights of human beings that generally rule the roost in those third-world countries. The reason why killings take place is because they do not have a real justice system in place or laws, only religion. That shows you that running a country from religion alone can be fatal.

But, again, you really should consider this country isn't really run by religion. You cry babies have a little tantrum when Washington doesn't say Jesus in every press release. Shut up you ignorant buffoon! Go back to school, you are too stupid to understand anything and run your arguments off of delusional hypnotic visions you see of the future. Go take your crazy pill and hit the sack, jack.
George

Clearfield, PA

#9 Jan 6, 2013
Idiots R Us wrote:
Both should be put in the same category ... of "Clueless Morons!
You mean Christians and Islamic faith? Good call!
George snackbar

Clearfield, PA

#10 Jan 6, 2013
A "few" extremists? That's what the UK thought too.
we will preservere

Lititz, PA

#11 Jan 6, 2013
Reverend Irreverent wrote:
What makes you think atheists like Islam? I hate that belief system more than I hate any other. It's misogynistic and repressive with a violent core.
More misogynistic than Christianity, Rev? More violent than Christianity, Rev? Maybe you need to do some research, then please explain. Your bigotry is showing.
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#12 Jan 6, 2013
we will preservere wrote:
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More misogynistic than Christianity, Rev? More violent than Christianity, Rev? Maybe you need to do some research, then please explain. Your bigotry is showing.
Haha. Don't get me wrong. I realize the Bible is chockful of the same beliefs. I'll just give credit where it's due here and say that at least Christians have abandoned the more savage and primitive swathes of it; the Christian Right is about as bad as you'll find now, and at least they're limited to attempts at seizing political power and brainwashing the emotionally weak, eliminating the more difficult ideas of outright suppression and putting people to death in their recruitment. But it's a country where more and more of the population are claiming no religious affiliation, so it's a failing movement.

The uglier areas where Islam dominates still embraces every word of their book. Easy to uphold in societies accustomed to poverty and being led around for their entire lives by imams and dictators and the like. Sadly, many don't want any absolute freedom or democratic principles introduced in their lives because they wouldn't know how to act in those situations. Makes life complicated for many who want it simple. So keeping the Quran as their general guidebook is an easy fix.

It's not so much that one or the other pens more tales of violence, misogyny, repression or domination than the other. One just continues to largely live in that era, whereas most who believe in the other cherry-pick their holy selections.

If you have better information, however, enlighten me.
Idiots R Us

Altoona, PA

#13 Jan 6, 2013
George wrote:
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You mean Christians and Islamic faith? Good call!
Uhhh, NO Jorge. atheists and islams .. Especially atheists!!
Big Bangin Apes

Altoona, PA

#14 Jan 6, 2013
Al Gore Sellout wrote:
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Wrong call, moron. Atheist should be more concerned with a religion that will put them to death instead of being insulted by crosses along the highway. It's not about comparing atheists to Islam but as expected, the idiots in Clearfield have no clue. Google the Al Gore reference if you aren't too busy looking for porn.
You're partly right. Atheists, yes, should be more concerned about being put to death more than anything else. However, it's from their own arrogant, elitist attitude, and refusal to believe in God that will ultimately cause this, not the Islams. And it's the second death (eternal damnation) that's most important. But for some reason, they'd rather buy into the ridiculous, silly notion that we all ended up here by accident.
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#15 Jan 6, 2013
Big Bangin Apes wrote:
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You're partly right. Atheists, yes, should be more concerned about being put to death more than anything else. However, it's from their own arrogant, elitist attitude, and refusal to believe in God that will ultimately cause this, not the Islams. And it's the second death (eternal damnation) that's most important. But for some reason, they'd rather buy into the ridiculous, silly notion that we all ended up here by accident.
I would say you'll be disappointed when there's no afterlife, especially not one involving circumstances based around believing in silly ideas cooked up by an ancient, superstitious people, but I guess you'll never have the chance to realize it. So on one end, you're pretty fortunate.

Even if there was, who's to say you're among those who believe in the correct version of it? Maybe you'll be just as screwed as we 'elitists' who believe we arrived here via accident. Pascal's Wager isn't that simple. Heck, your entire flawed premise is based around one narrow thought involving Christian theology.

Something else I've long pondered regarding the 'elitist' comments and never received a real answer to. Nonbelievers are the ones who happily enjoy this life acting under the assumption that this is the only one we have and we should feel fortunate to have it in the first place. The religious, on the other hand, are the ones who believe that everything was created by an omnipotent, omniscient entity that holds humanity up as his special creations, and that he loves and adores each individually. This all-powerful being thus grants all of our prayers and dreams, watches out for us (or at least dispatches angels to do so), and built an entire universe around us. They are holders of some unfathomable Truth, and will benefit eternally as the rest of us face horrible annihilation

Yet somehow the nonbelievers are the elitists while the believers practice great humility. Really?

Just one fun example to end this one.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/blog/...
Big Bangin Apes

Altoona, PA

#16 Jan 7, 2013
You're putting too much emphasis on the word "religion" and the "label" end of it, Rev. By that I mean, you can call it Christianity, Theology, Catholicism, Islamic, Atheism, Hedonism, Reaganomics, Obamacare, Whatever ... because NONE of that matters at all. What does matter is what the bible says. And it's very CLEAR on the afterlife, the beforelife, the middlelife and everything in between. There is no narrow premise involved in it what so ever ... In other words, there is only ONE version and it's the correct one.

Sure, as it has progressed and been passed on through the ages, some of the words and content have been "modified" so morons like me can understand it a little better, but the over all message, its teachings, and dare I say, its "stories," have ALWAYS been the same. That has NEVER changed.

The fact that you choose to believe it's all just silly ideas cooked up by ancient superstitious people is just indicative of the mentality we're dealing with here ... Ex. You can't see the wind or where it comes from so it must be an unfathomable truth also, even though its effects are omnipresent.

But I'm sure you're right though .. Long ago, a bunch of no account, social outcasts - who were probably just constipated, most likely had bipolar disorder, and were looking to create never ending controversy for thousands of years to come, decided they wanted to pull an all time, one for the ages publicity stunt. So they got together, conspired, stroked each others egos for a while, and then proceeded to write this totally absurd book just chock full of fictitious garble, absurd tall, tales of mayhem and destruction and some of the most unimaginable, unthinkable events that would make Steven Spielberg and George Lucas' work look like it had the creativity of a 6 year old with down syndrome.

Yep, sounds logical enough.
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#17 Jan 7, 2013
Forgive me, this will be long. I'll split it into two chunks.

---There are many books that have been intentionally left out of the Bible. Some sects of Christianity actually revere some of them as canon, while others in 'mainstream' Christianity are ignored. Book of Enoch, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas, etc. Mostly tossed to the side because they don't fit the narrative of that particular religious body. Especially not Thomas in most denominations, which chronicled Jesus as a child and described how he killed and abused other children who angered him. Not good for the 'perfect being' that he's depicted to be.

So no, there is not one version. What you know is, by and large, that approved by the Council of Carthage. Again, it's not as simple as you claim it to be. Many books have been written that allege divine inspiration and they often contradict one another. If this literary mess is the best God can do, he failed hard. Dan Brown keeps better notes and maintains smoother continuity than he does.

---Secondly, much of what is in the Bible is lifted straight from other, far earlier belief systems. Noah's Ark is a pure rehash of the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example, and that originated about 4000+ years ago. Just like Christianity took pagan traditions and melded them with their traditions to create holidays like Easter and Christmas, very little of it is completely original. Retellings and thievery compose much of the Bible.

It doesn't take much research to find parallels between the book's stories & characters with those of past systems. And that includes the many prophets and messiahs that the character of Jesus Christ mirrors, both in his myriad titles and deeds, all that came previously. Don't forget that most Biblical characters are absent from any and all history records; these accounts are all that exist of them, and most of the tales were written after decades of oral passing. Quite frankly, they're fragments of literary creation.

---Third, I'm willing to bet you're cherry-picking. Why do people make claims about a glorious afterlife yet shun the Christian duties of executing blasphemers, pushing for slavery to be legalized again, or stoning those who work on the Sabbath? These are all outlined within the same book and elaborated in far greater detail than Heaven's perks or most of the fire-and-brimstone Revelations and Rapture accounts that people get hung up on. What makes some of these ideas timeless and others fit that little category of 'just keeping with the traditions of the era'? How can you discern between them?
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#18 Jan 7, 2013
---Fourth. No, it wasn't a publicity stunt. But it worked to control the population, just as Islam does presently in many third-world and theocratic nations. These were a superstitious and often impoverished people, and the Abrahamic God was perfect for keeping them happy and in line. Give them a reward to look forward to (in this case a perfect second life) in return for being good to one another and not rebelling against their leaders and handlers. Design an entire mythology and pantheon for it, be convincing. If you don't think that's logical, you don't know human nature very well.

---Numero cinco. Yes, I believe they are silly stories fabricated by an ancient civilization prone to irrationality in the face of fear and ignorance. Can you find some metaphorical truth and undertones to them? Sure. But if you actually believe serpents spoke, a several hundred year old man built a giant boat to save the animals, a man lived in a large fish for several days, or that God and Lucifer made a bet and the former used Lot to prove a point by destroying his life...well, just no. And this is all aside from the horrid inaccuracies of science and universal law supposedly illuminated in Genesis.

Your wind analogy is sadly baseless; wind can be tested and observed through science, and thus proven. God cannot. Something so powerful could assuredly affirm its existence rather easily. Because it has yet to do so, we can only assume it does not exist.

As Carl Sagan once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Thus far there is not a shred in the favor of the believers' camp. There's only faith. And faith is, by and large, an emotional attachment to the irrational for the sake of comfort. Many of the most faithful are those who utilize the same logic as the man in the example I posted earlier: millions of the innocent may die in genocide and of terrible diseases, but they are such terrific individuals that God chose to save them.

While we're at it, can you kindly elaborate on the 'elitist attitude' comment? I'm puzzled. As a secular humanist, I feel that we have to do good things for one another now as this is the only life we have to contribute positively to others. Believers claim to be the favored children of an omnipotent being with a universe and paradise crafted with them specifically in mind. Exactly how is the latter an example of humility while the former is arrogant and elitist? Is it because we continue to seek ever deeper for truth, while believers apparently already have it all while we're too pathetic to just open our eyes to it?
Reverend Irreverent

State College, PA

#19 Jan 7, 2013
Oops, sorry. Meant Job instead of Lot in that last post regarding that divine gamble. My mistake.
Bliss

Clearfield, PA

#20 Jan 7, 2013
And the Rev's wise words leave every ignorant Topix troll speechless. Well done again Rev. You know your stuff

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