Trains collide on Westside; 2 hurt

Trains collide on Westside; 2 hurt

There are 102 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 6, 2008, titled Trains collide on Westside; 2 hurt. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Two CSX employees were hurt this morning and emergency crews were mopping up a large diesel fuel spill after two trains collided on the Westside.

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Runaway

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jan 6, 2008
HKV wrote:
OK, I have to ask the brilliant Indianapolis Star reporters, if Authorities said they beleive no one was on the second train, how did it get there?
The media is reporting that it was a runaway train. Lighten up on the "brilliant" Indianapolis Star Reporters.
At A Loss

Marysville, OH

#3 Jan 6, 2008
Hey CSX......pull up your railroad tracks, pack up your train set, and go play somewhere else.

Hey Avon Planning Commission....who approved the new apartment complex off of Dan Jones to the immediate south of the CSX railyard? That could be heck of an evacuation if a spill occurred there.
Bummer

United States

#4 Jan 6, 2008
Wow - what a bummer; they had come ALL the way from New York with no problems and were THAT CLOSE to their destination and that happens ! Hope everyone is OK !
oooooooooooo

Delaware, OH

#5 Jan 6, 2008
Runaway wrote:
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The media is reporting that it was a runaway train. Lighten up on the "brilliant" Indianapolis Star Reporters.
I think there has to be someone on the train to operate the safety device before it can move.

So there are no more "runaway" trains.
RandyB

AOL

#6 Jan 6, 2008
oooooooooooo wrote:
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I think there has to be someone on the train to operate the safety device before it can move.
So there are no more "runaway" trains.
They park trains on them tracks all the time......sometimes there are as many as 15 trains parked on the tracks heading out of Avon yards East and West.
Railfan

San Jose, CA

#8 Jan 6, 2008
At a loss wrote "Hey CSX......pull up your railroad tracks, pack up your train set, and go play somewhere else."
Why should the railroad move? That line has ben in place since 1870.
oooooooooooo wrote "I think there has to be someone on the train to operate the safety device before it can move. So there are no more "runaway" trains."
Trains are efficient because of very little rolling resistance between steel wheels and steel rails. It takes very little slope to cause them to start rolling on their own if someone releases the hand brake and the independent brake. The reverser handle is needed to move the train under power but trains can coast without it. Vandals sometimes figure out how to do this. Let's see what the investigation shows. It will be investigated by the federal government.
At A Loss

Marysville, OH

#9 Jan 6, 2008
Railfan wrote:
At a loss wrote "Hey CSX......pull up your railroad tracks, pack up your train set, and go play somewhere else."
Why should the railroad move? That line has ben in place since 1870.
I'll tell you why CSX should move -- because they block the rail crossing on Hwy. 267 with slow-moving and stopped trains every day, sometimes for 30-40 minutes at a time. To avoid this, commercial and residential traffic must drive three miles out of their way. Or just sit and wait.

You should try it some time and you won't be much of a fan.
Runaway

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Jan 6, 2008
KLB wrote:
<quoted text> If it was a run away train, the Star should have reported that as part of the story. As usual, the Star did not take the time to completely researce the facts, just rush to report incomplete details.
Maybe at the time they didn't know that the train was unmanned. I'm sure if they waited until they got all the facts, they would never be able to report the story, and no doubt you guys would be critical of the Star as you are now. If you notice, they do update the story as details become available. Nobody's perfect; even the Star is ran by HUMANS like yourselves. It's sad how 75% of the talking heads around here go out of their way just to say something negative. Jeesh!

As for no such thing as a runaway train, that's false. While it is usually necessary for the train to have somebody at the controls for it to move, they assemble trains out there all the time by pushing cars up a hill, and then letting them roll down the hill, UNMANNED, as they switch to the desired track.
Speedy recover to you

Marion, IN

#11 Jan 6, 2008
Authorities immediately released a description of the runaway train the a massive search began.
The train was found several hours later at a Terre Haute bar. Patrons of the bar said that the train had explained that it was "headed for Vegas."
The train is now being held for 72-hour psychological observation at the at Methodist Hospital Railroad Equipment Detention Ward.
After the apprehension, the train explained that it had been experiencing a lot of stress lately, and apparently acted out a childhood fantasy.
"I have always wanted to see what it was like to be just like everybody else. You know, just walking around without those (expletive deleted) tracks all the time."
"I just became uncoupled," the train said.
Railfan

Chicago, IL

#12 Jan 6, 2008
Although man-made, the railroad is no more an obstacle than a river. Build a bridge over it.
When buying a house I chose to not live near a railyard where I knew trains would be moving slowly as they arrive and depart. If in a hurry, I plan ahead and choose a route that avoids potential obstacles of any sort. When waiting for a train to pass I admire how much freight is being moved by two or three locomotives instead of by several score of trucks.
Carl Hoffman

Spokane, WA

#13 Jan 6, 2008
Someone lost track of a train on a track and that train found a new track to take that had a train already on that track and that train got wacked. Glad no one was killed and trust all will get on the right track soon. One side note the train yard is prime target for anyone wanting to damage the USA.
Billy Joe Hillbilly

Pittsboro, IN

#14 Jan 6, 2008
At A Loss wrote:
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I'll tell you why CSX should move -- because they block the rail crossing on Hwy. 267 with slow-moving and stopped trains every day, sometimes for 30-40 minutes at a time. To avoid this, commercial and residential traffic must drive three miles out of their way. Or just sit and wait.
You should try it some time and you won't be much of a fan.
I'm sure you were there before the railroad, right? Just like the junkyard that sat on the N side of Rockville Rd between Dan Jones Rd and 267. Did the thousandaires that bought houses next to the junkyard succeed in getting them kicked out of town?
Makes no sense

Florence, KY

#15 Jan 6, 2008
At A Loss wrote:
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I'll tell you why CSX should move -- because they block the rail crossing on Hwy. 267 with slow-moving and stopped trains every day, sometimes for 30-40 minutes at a time. To avoid this, commercial and residential traffic must drive three miles out of their way. Or just sit and wait.
You should try it some time and you won't be much of a fan.
So, I'm assuming you've been living in Avon longer than that railyard has been in existence?

If anyone needs to move, uh, let's see, multi million dollar freight company or a dum bass homeowner who didn't pay attention when he/she bought their house.

Good luck with that.
Goof

United States

#17 Jan 6, 2008
At A Loss wrote:
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I'll tell you why CSX should move -- because they block the rail crossing on Hwy. 267 with slow-moving and stopped trains every day, sometimes for 30-40 minutes at a time. To avoid this, commercial and residential traffic must drive three miles out of their way. Or just sit and wait.
You should try it some time and you won't be much of a fan.
This is just an example of pyss poor planning by the state and city of Avon. It's not the railroads fault.
Wowzers

Algonquin, IL

#20 Jan 6, 2008
Okay, kids, Train lesson:

It wasn't a "train" that "ranaway". It was a cut of cars that had no power and no one attending to it. Something may have happened with the air brakes, who knows...but its a downhill slide all the way from avon to indianapolis, so once those cars roll out of the yard, its nothing but trouble from there.

So, the indy star is not incorrect in saying it was "unmanned", but it wasnt really a train persay. It was a cut of cars that may have been getting ready to be humped.

I just hope the conductor and engineer that were on the train that got hit are okay. And thankful that no one else got hurt.

Oh, and to you idiots saying the railroads gotta go. Thats fine, but if we shut down then I guess youll just have to drive everywhere to get your own supplies. Avon came way after the railroad, so get the hell over it.(Dont take 267 at 6 am either...we'll be in your way)
Bob in Brownsburg

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Jan 6, 2008
Avon Yard has been a major classification yard for CSX or its predecessors since the late 1950s. The yard was built long before Avon and eastern Hendricks County became so (over)populated. State, county, and town planners, however, have dragged their feet over building a grade separation where SR 267 crosses the tracks. It's not the railroad's fault; they are just conducting business.

Freight railroading in the U.S. is in the midst of a long-term upswing. Bulk commodities, like grain, coal or chemicals, and large finished goods, like automobiles or appliances, have long been a major part of the railroad freight business. But what's driving the railroads these days is containerized freight. All those Chinese-made goods you buy at Wal-Mart come to this country in containers that move across the oceans by ship and across the country by train. If the trucking industry had to move all the freight the railroads carry, the cost of everything you buy would go up and the highways would be completely clogged with trucks.

“Just checking”

Since: Dec 07

Indianapolis

#22 Jan 6, 2008
CSX once told my neighborhood that they would take care of their derailed trains when they got ready; it was on their property. Of course it was coal at the very edge of their property, and the run off was going flowing into the neighborhood along with the dust when it was dry. CSX in Indianapolis has derailment OFTEN. You don't see them reported, but ask the folks who live near the tracks. I like trains too, but CSX has no respect for the neighborhoods around them. That, plus they park trains so the crossing bars block streets at several places in the city. On top of all of that it took more than 5 years for them to cut down brush along the tracks so they were safer. THAT IS CSX'S FAULT.
Fonman

United States

#23 Jan 6, 2008
At A Loss wrote:
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I'll tell you why CSX should move -- because they block the rail crossing on Hwy. 267 with slow-moving and stopped trains every day, sometimes for 30-40 minutes at a time. To avoid this, commercial and residential traffic must drive three miles out of their way. Or just sit and wait.
You should try it some time and you won't be much of a fan.
Like he said, The lines have been there for over 100 years, you could have done a little research and decided no to move there.
Seriously

Panama City, FL

#25 Jan 6, 2008
Makes no sense wrote:
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So, I'm assuming you've been living in Avon longer than that railyard has been in existence?
If anyone needs to move, uh, let's see, multi million dollar freight company or a dumb homeowner who didn't pay attention when he/she bought their house.
Good luck with that.
Amen!

People forget that Avon has only started growing within the last 10-15 years. I was dating someone from there in 1996 and it was barely more than a wide spot in the road then. I'm sorry that your greedy planners stuck their heads in the sand and refused to address the fact that there was a giant railroad running through the middle of the community...meanwhile they were signing off on housing complexes and strip malls. They knew and did nothing...and that's not CSX's fault.

I live near a railroad in a different part of Indiana. It can be very loud, and it can be annoying when I get stuck at a crossing. However, I knew the train was here when I moved here, and that's the chance I took moving to a community with a train in it.
Papasmurf

Indianapolis, IN

#27 Jan 6, 2008
Wowsers stated it was a cut of cars that "got away" and maybe something happened to the air brakes. Lets hope that is not the case. You cannot depend on air to hold the cars, hand brakes must be set, and I think it is a minimun of 10% to hold the cut. Also, if these cars were to be humped (classified to the different tracks) what were they doing at Rockville and Girls School Rd, how did they get past the towers on the east side of the yard. A lot of people will be in trouble if this is the case.
I am glad no one was seriously injured.

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