With acquittal, abuse case collapses

With acquittal, abuse case collapses

There are 74 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Aug 31, 2007, titled With acquittal, abuse case collapses. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Any hope prosecutors had of winning a major conviction out of a sex scandal at the Marion County juvenile lockup vanished Friday when they lost their case against the former superintendent.

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voyles finally wins one

United States

#1 Sep 1, 2007
Jimmy done won! No more pleas (Steven Jackson, etc.) & huge loses (Mikey Tyson). Way to go Jimmy. Now go and buy another car for your 12 car garage.
jerry

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Sep 1, 2007
Is anyone here smell misuse of prosecutor powers here? Look back on the tming of the prosecutors announcment, the repeated quotes by him on this right before his election, and now a clear failure to have any case whatsoever. I wonder if Mr Ellison will sue Mr Brizzis office for all of the things he pubclicly said about him for election purposes that now have been proved false. I wouldnt be suprised.
BRUCE

Whitestown, IN

#4 Sep 1, 2007
this was a joke from day one....to have no evidence to convict even one of these people..just shows that the whole thing was another brizzi publicity stunt......prosecutors seem to use these type of things for self promotion anymore...if i were one of these people id sue the s... out of the prosecutors office.
Johnson

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Sep 1, 2007
God is Good!
JRj

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Sep 1, 2007
Id like to see the star go back and list every quote from brizzi about this case. It will be clear how much of a media stunt ths was.Lots of untrue, feeding frenzy statements. Mike Nifong would be proud of his protege Brizzi.
The star has some nerve quoting Brizzi as saying this case was good because it made changes at the jail. Brizzi typical trying to steal credit from a lot of other people who worked hard on that issue (prosecutor NOT invovled and didnt care to be) and trying to put a "spin' on this total failed effort by the prosecutor.
Bob

AOL

#7 Sep 1, 2007
It is good that the Payne-Ellison era is over. From everything I know, the leadership was rotten to the core.
Expungement Reform

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Sep 1, 2007
Indiana is one of the few states where even if a person is found not guilty, State law does not permit the arrest record to be expunged. So he will still have an arrest record, and anyone doing a background check will still assume he is guilty.
Mr Lucas

Louisville, KY

#10 Sep 1, 2007
With all the resources the prosecutor's office put into this case and to still lose, maybe justice was done.
again again

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Sep 1, 2007
Carl Brizzi loses another one...Has this man no shame...he should resign? Is there a recall procedure in Indiana for a prosecutor? Brizzi is a mad man.
Evident-ly

Granger, IN

#12 Sep 1, 2007
voyles finally wins one wrote:
Jimmy done won! No more pleas (Steven Jackson, etc.) & huge loses (Mikey Tyson). Way to go Jimmy. Now go and buy another car for your 12 car garage.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. This one was litterally handed to him (Voyles). Maybe he should take Brizzi's entire staff out for lunch.

Since: Jul 07

Covington, KY

#13 Sep 1, 2007
BRUCE wrote:
this was a joke from day one....to have no evidence to convict even one of these people..just shows that the whole thing was another brizzi publicity stunt......prosecutors seem to use these type of things for self promotion anymore...if i were one of these people id sue the s... out of the prosecutors office.
I hate to tell you, but this type of thing happens all the time. Things are underreported or completely ignored. Even if Brizzi had no evidence and didn't win the case, it doesn't mean it never happened.
ToIceMountain

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Sep 1, 2007
Ice Mountain
Brizzi lost EIGHT times in a row on this one. Hard to justfy
Jesse

Crawfordsville, IN

#15 Sep 1, 2007
voyles finally wins one wrote:
Jimmy done won! No more pleas (Steven Jackson, etc.) & huge loses (Mikey Tyson). Way to go Jimmy. Now go and buy another car for your 12 car garage.
Mike Tyson was a major victory.

To only get the minimum of 3 class b felonies in a jury trial. You can hardly get off any easier.
Ben

United States

#16 Sep 1, 2007
This kind of thing does happen all the time. I know at least 4 girls at "girls school" not this place who were beat by male guards and molested and given extra food and such for sex and oral sex. It is appaulling! I think this did happen and the kids were too scared to testify ... once you do that if you don't get out of the system you better be scared!
Victim

Kokomo, IN

#17 Sep 1, 2007
IceMountain wrote:
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I hate to tell you, but this type of thing happens all the time. Things are underreported or completely ignored. Even if Brizzi had no evidence and didn't win the case, it doesn't mean it never happened.
Hate to let u know but as someone who lived this nightmare, there was no evidence, no case! Alot of peoples lives were turned upside down for no reason. This i feel was a re-election stunt and as usual at the expense of the innocent and tax payers. Now will these people who lied be prosecuted for false accusations? lying under oath? U guessed it NO!! thats the problem with the world. Just let the true guilty walk!! Now unfortunatly if this really does happened no one will believe them cause a few devious people think its alright to lie. Oh thats right this was not the only time some of these people had charges brought ON THEM for the same thing, same lies about different innocent people, some did, and were charged for this already. HUH not too long before this. Why are they allowed to let this go on. Set an example somewhere. I wish everyone was told the truth about these cases. Put that in the paper please!! Yeah didn't think so. I wish everyone had a copy of the court transcripts, then we would know what we are really dealing with.
Victim

Kokomo, IN

#19 Sep 1, 2007
Ben wrote:
This kind of thing does happen all the time. I know at least 4 girls at "girls school" not this place who were beat by male guards and molested and given extra food and such for sex and oral sex. It is appaulling! I think this did happen and the kids were too scared to testify ... once you do that if you don't get out of the system you better be scared!
All people are different. Obviously one of the girls did testify. And if 12 normal everyday people could tell this was a lie then our prosecutors should have been able to. Yes, one girl did get on the stand and smile, not know what story was right, and was obviously liing. Im sorry if people are sick in the world and allowed to do this but that's not always the case. When you read the transcripts and the actual cases they had and evidence then im sure you like everyother citizen in the world will know what happened here. Re-election time. You see at first Brizzi was in the media "gonna get this predetors", then u never heard from him again after election. Well maybe he actually sat down and read the evidence. that's what happened. I still haven't heard from him about this issue again? So when will there be an apology to these men and their families? Never, usually all people just let things fade away when they are wrong.
lastrep

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Sep 1, 2007
Bob wrote:
It is good that the Payne-Ellison era is over. From everything I know, the leadership was rotten to the core.
If you knew anything why didn't you testify?
Oh my hoops Ricky

Reston, VA

#21 Sep 1, 2007
again again wrote:
Carl Brizzi loses another one...Has this man no shame...he should resign? Is there a recall procedure in Indiana for a prosecutor? Brizzi is a mad man.
Is it about justice or blame? If girls under the age of 18 have voiced allegations of sexual misconduct, rape, or inappropriate behavior by an authority figure, then it should be taken very seriously. Don’t blame the prosecutor for seeking justice on the behalf of these young girls. This is a good thing in my eyes, because they were found innocent and hopefully there was no wrong done to the girls. The system should not allow so many males to be put in those situations. There should be more internal controls. I am sure that in the past some girls in that system have been assaulted, and maybe now with some new policies, that can be avoided. I don’t see a big problem with someone being falsely accused and then acquitted that is what you call justice. Maybe those guys had to go through this for the better good of the juvenile system and those kids who have been on the losing end of society.
cowboy justice

Chicago, IL

#22 Sep 1, 2007
IceMountain wrote:
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I hate to tell you, but this type of thing happens all the time. Things are underreported or completely ignored. Even if Brizzi had no evidence and didn't win the case, it doesn't mean it never happened.
I hope that your statement is not indicatave of the average Hoosier. It is chilling.
I love to telling you that if there is no evidence, it means that it never happened. Whether you like it our not, that is called justice. We have progressed far beyond old west where instant justice was metered out by illiterate cowboys with a six shooters and a length of rope.

Brizzi = Nifong
Our system of justice is still out of whack. Completely innocent people are dragged through hell will all the power and resources of government (unlimited tax $$) for the glory and political gain of the prosecutors. Perhaps Brizzi should now receive the same justice as Nifong.
WTF

Indianapolis, IN

#23 Sep 1, 2007
Oh my hoops Ricky wrote:
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Is it about justice or blame? If girls under the age of 18 have voiced allegations of sexual misconduct, rape, or inappropriate behavior by an authority figure, then it should be taken very seriously. Don’t blame the prosecutor for seeking justice on the behalf of these young girls. This is a good thing in my eyes, because they were found innocent and hopefully there was no wrong done to the girls. The system should not allow so many males to be put in those situations. There should be more internal controls. I am sure that in the past some girls in that system have been assaulted, and maybe now with some new policies, that can be avoided. I don’t see a big problem with someone being falsely accused and then acquitted that is what you call justice. Maybe those guys had to go through this for the better good of the juvenile system and those kids who have been on the losing end of society.
You don't have a problem with an innocent person being falsely accused???

Let's just put your face on the evening news (every channel) each night at 6 and 11 o'clock with subtitles and a catchy story name on the graphics, ie: "Child Sex Scandal" as your face is shown on the screen.

Repeat that scenario for several months and experience the different way your friends, family and neighbors treat you.

When you finally get cleared a year later, or have to plead guilty to a lesser crime that you still didn't commit the prosecutor/politician spins it and says he's disappointed (you managed to fool the jury), not that he's glad that the truth came out and that you are now cleared of all the accusations.

When that's all done, tell me if you think it was OK for that to happen to you? I don't know any of the people involved in this story, but that's exactly what happened to them.

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