watchin

Wheeling, WV

#23 Apr 18, 2012
I being one who has a bohemian nature, am fond of retro fashions and decor. I thought that this place would truly have "hot stuff and cool things".
So one day, I stopped in to have a look, and there were some older guys working in there talking like they were from New York with all the "forget about it" attitude and tone.
I didn't get through the door before one of these thugs was telling me..."Here's what you need right here!" holding some packet in his hand and shoving it in my face.
Now... I'm one for letting someone make their own choices, if they are over 21, and want to smoke weed or whatever...so what. I choose not to for a number of reasons. Primarily because I have some personal integrity.
But I was rather offended by this pusher personna.
I advised him with a West Virginia tone of voice, that I'll let him know if I needed anything! Apparently he misread the signs that I might be a formiddible challenge, as he snickered and went back to his tough guy discussion they were engaged in.
I didn't even look at the mechandise. I just turned and walked out before I broke a bunch of "cool things".
I'm sure it didn't matter at all that they just ran a paying customer out of the door. I even emailed their website and told them how I felt about it, with no reply.
It is unfortunate, that someone had a good idea for selling clothing, posters, lights, candles incense and such, and ruined it with the bath salts thing.
Their judgement there eludes common sense. Especially with the nationwide concern over the use of this kind of product and the horrible affects it has on the people that use it.
When I saw the Lunfords patronizing it, I knew then, it was a matter of time before the Feds kicked the door down.
I have a large family, and like most families, we have members with substance abuse issues. I saw my youngers getting busted by their parents, the schools, and law enforcement. They had some fake pot they called K2, or something to that affect. All of which were acquired from HS&CT. And the part that pisses me off the most is that some of them are just kids for God's sake.
I am glad the authorities took this place out of our community. It was becoming a serious threat to the safety and welfare of our families, friends and neighbors. Now maybe the parents can get a handle on this thing before it gets further out of control. And hopefully, those who have a problem with the bath salts can get treatment before something terrible happens to them.

“stop it...you're embarrassing ”

Since: Dec 11

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#24 Apr 19, 2012
watchin wrote:
I being one who has a bohemian nature, am fond of retro fashions and decor. I thought that this place would truly have "hot stuff and cool things".
So one day, I stopped in to have a look, and there were some older guys working in there talking like they were from New York with all the "forget about it" attitude and tone.
I didn't get through the door before one of these thugs was telling me..."Here's what you need right here!" holding some packet in his hand and shoving it in my face.
Now... I'm one for letting someone make their own choices, if they are over 21, and want to smoke weed or whatever...so what. I choose not to for a number of reasons. Primarily because I have some personal integrity.
But I was rather offended by this pusher personna.
I advised him with a West Virginia tone of voice, that I'll let him know if I needed anything! Apparently he misread the signs that I might be a formiddible challenge, as he snickered and went back to his tough guy discussion they were engaged in.
I didn't even look at the mechandise. I just turned and walked out before I broke a bunch of "cool things".
I'm sure it didn't matter at all that they just ran a paying customer out of the door. I even emailed their website and told them how I felt about it, with no reply.
It is unfortunate, that someone had a good idea for selling clothing, posters, lights, candles incense and such, and ruined it with the bath salts thing.
Their judgement there eludes common sense. Especially with the nationwide concern over the use of this kind of product and the horrible affects it has on the people that use it.
When I saw the Lunfords patronizing it, I knew then, it was a matter of time before the Feds kicked the door down.
I have a large family, and like most families, we have members with substance abuse issues. I saw my youngers getting busted by their parents, the schools, and law enforcement. They had some fake pot they called K2, or something to that affect. All of which were acquired from HS&CT. And the part that pisses me off the most is that some of them are just kids for God's sake.
I am glad the authorities took this place out of our community. It was becoming a serious threat to the safety and welfare of our families, friends and neighbors. Now maybe the parents can get a handle on this thing before it gets further out of control. And hopefully, those who have a problem with the bath salts can get treatment before something terrible happens to them.
Dealers don't discriminate, as long as you have money they do not care how old you are. After seeing the pictures of the guys responsible, I will bet that their was a lot more then Bath Salts & Syn. weed being sold out of that place.
whistlindixie

Staunton, VA

#25 Apr 19, 2012
My opinion is that just bc they raided the store, took their supplies, and shut the place dwn doesnt mean the bath salts wont still b around...people will just drive to another state to get it n quantity and bring it bk n jack the price up! Just means them pure addicts will b out stealing MORE off working citizens to support their habit...an addict will get it 1 way or another...just gonna make the crime rate go up a lil n the area!!! Mark my words...EVERYBODY make sure your doors are locked and your windows are glued when you leave your houses
furiouswhistlind ixie

Staunton, VA

#26 Apr 19, 2012
But anyways good job to CPD...EVEN THOUGH I F*CKING HATE THEM WORTHLESS P.O.S. they sure didnt do their job when my $8000 4wheeler got stolen...i found it myself on the back porch of an ex police officer and got NOTHING but a wrecked, non running, tore up 4heeler to look at...no resitition or nothing!!! But still...way to go for accomplishing something n y'alls career!!!
Beavis

Clarksburg, WV

#27 Apr 19, 2012
Oh well, I guess I gotta go back to huffing spray paint...
Concernedwifeand mother

Buckhannon, WV

#28 Apr 19, 2012
I am glad thus place is gone my husband is a hard working man that goes to work every night and someone let him try this crap last year, well let's just say he is still hooked. We have faced foreclosure 4 times in the past year, he is always late for everything, he self destroys himself by digging at any sore he sees. It has not only ruined him but it also ruined our marriage and his relationship with our three kids. He is not in this world and when he does come down from it he lashes out at everyone and isolates himself. He is currently seeking treatment at a clinic for addiction to pain killers, he has been there for years and now this crap. I have been struggling with his addiction for 12 years and I Have no clue what to do now. He is now ordering the bath salt from the net it is shipped overseas and us COD, what should I do should I speak to the docs at the clinic and tell them about his new problem
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Since: Jan 12

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#30 Apr 19, 2012
I think we are going to see more younger deaths in the newspaper ..Bathsalt has no medical treatment for a overdose unlike Meth. If someone comes in to the hospital delusional, because of no sleep for days there's nothing can be done medically but wait for the poison to wear off .. and it fries braincells unlike antithetical drug ever consumed so the people who chose to destroy there life can become a human vegetable before they even know it ... being in the medical field I have had several cases of bathsalt addictions besides the racing heart paranoia, the biggest most deadly is the blood clotting. So many YOUNG PEOPLE sad .. I think the people who brought this into our community should have to pay for anyone who comes fourth and asks for help ... but we as a community need to get the truth about this drug and the facts as to what it cause and hold a meeting and pray users show up and maybe just maybe if they have experienced any of the symptoms and no how deadly they could be it would scare them enough in to realization to know they need help cause at this point they only have 2 choices DEATH OR LIVE!

Since: Jan 12

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#31 Apr 19, 2012
One more question /statement why is it when drug distribution / using /making is reported to task force or dome type of evidence leading to the making /distributing of a elegal drug does it take the task force to investigate or why do they do nothing? I'm sure there is steps that must be followed but if we as a citizen can see it and know whats going on why are they so blind to the fact? When something is finally done "IF" its always to late more people are affected more people are addicted more lives has been ruined? I guess what I am trying to say is why wait so long to take control why wait until there is more people involved why wait until there is more addicts? I understand we have the constitution to uphold but politics always fond away around that example we have the right to travel freely how is paying all these taxes very free :) sorry paid my personal property taxes today! Nonetheless Why wait? Why is it important to have so many charges get these people off the street NOW!
cabin boy

Wheeling, WV

#32 Apr 19, 2012
I shoulda bought some head before they were shut down.

Concerned, it takes a while for an investigation because they have to make sure they have a solid case before making a move. This is America where you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime to get a conviction. While it's frustrating in cases like this, it's neccessary in our society.

To the guy who had the stolen 4wheeler. If you think that the PD has the manpower or time to scour the city streets and backyards looking for you 4 wheeler you are sadly mistaken. It's just not possible. Im sure the officer took a report and entered the vehicle into the nationwide crime database (assuming you had all the appropriate info on the bike), followed up leads and checked with the suspects you provided. Beyond that its a crap shoot.
mork

Fairmont, WV

#33 Apr 19, 2012
Bath salt consumers will simply move up 79 to Motown where they are plentiful. Just saying.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#34 Apr 19, 2012
@cabin I totally understand a solid case, but I from a citzens point of view "not educated on proper guidelines " it would seem so easy to convict maybe a lesser charge but it would take them off street for a shorter period hopefully with some type of probation with no privacy rights so if taskforce or law enforcement got a lead that they are up to same things they can just go in?..... Sorry for all the questions I just know a incident similar in this matter and curious as to why no investigation has ever taken place ... and the evidence that was shared seemed like more than enough to bring a case or even a search warrant. Is finding drugs or materials used in the pharmaceutical of drugs not solid?

Since: Jan 12

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#35 Apr 19, 2012
Btw @Cabin read on another forum HEAD is still being sold at reds angels at a particular low price ... with the economy the way it is maybe they'll start handing out coupons .... Sad how these forums complaints sometimes are used for ideas or even advertising the trash yet most of us are either to dumb or blind to notice!
amazedbyignoranc e

Bridgeport, WV

#36 Apr 19, 2012
concerned citizen 29 wrote:
@cabin I totally understand a solid case, but I from a citzens point of view "not educated on proper guidelines " it would seem so easy to convict maybe a lesser charge but it would take them off street for a shorter period hopefully with some type of probation with no privacy rights so if taskforce or law enforcement got a lead that they are up to same things they can just go in?..... Sorry for all the questions I just know a incident similar in this matter and curious as to why no investigation has ever taken place ... and the evidence that was shared seemed like more than enough to bring a case or even a search warrant. Is finding drugs or materials used in the pharmaceutical of drugs not solid?
A lesser charge would bring a lesser conviction which would in turn bring a lesser sentencing. Plus it would take months to finally get everything pushed through the court system.
Unfortunately law enforcement is retroactive and the sentencing even more so due to liberal society. The fight against bath salts was even more sensitive due to the way in which it was sold. It is easy to blame law enforcement for any imperfect legal situation, but you really have to sit back and look at the big picture.
I have never heard of a cop that wouldn't love to immediately sentence a drug dealer, murderer, or rapist. But everyone is entitled to their day in court which means you need your evidence to get the desired result.
BLUE GRAY GHOST

United States

#37 Apr 19, 2012
If you think that the head shop is the only place that people are getting these substances than you are mistaken. The internet and of course go to your local strip bar, plenty of drugs are bought, sold and used under the darkness of a lap dance and of course the prostitution. If you think the amount of money that was made in the head shop is staggering, it is nothing compared to what goes on at JB'S and Red's. But I am guessing it is ok since it is behind closed doors and in the dark confines of the private rooms. Yep, thats the way to do it!

“stop it...you're embarrassing ”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#38 Apr 19, 2012
BLUE GRAY GHOST wrote:
If you think that the head shop is the only place that people are getting these substances than you are mistaken. The internet and of course go to your local strip bar, plenty of drugs are bought, sold and used under the darkness of a lap dance and of course the prostitution. If you think the amount of money that was made in the head shop is staggering, it is nothing compared to what goes on at JB'S and Red's. But I am guessing it is ok since it is behind closed doors and in the dark confines of the private rooms. Yep, thats the way to do it!
All the police have to do is read the topix posts on the strip clubs to know what goes on in their, lol.

Since: Jan 12

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#39 Apr 19, 2012
amazedbyignorance wrote:
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A lesser charge would bring a lesser conviction which would in turn bring a lesser sentencing. Plus it would take months to finally get everything pushed through the court system.
Unfortunately law enforcement is retroactive and the sentencing even more so due to liberal society. The fight against bath salts was even more sensitive due to the way in which it was sold. It is easy to blame law enforcement for any imperfect legal situation, but you really have to sit back and look at the big picture.
I have never heard of a cop that wouldn't love to immediately sentence a drug dealer, murderer, or rapist. But everyone is entitled to their day in court which means you need your evidence to get the desired result.
By no means did I nor am I placing the blame on our officers ..... I know and completely understand about having your hands tied I was just trying to understand the system (although I probably never will).... o understand the lesser charge and lesser sentencing but couldn't the requirements of probation be changed and made harsher in the way or would nearly be impossible for someone on probation to turn the wrong way without someone knowing ... like if your on parole and a officer comes knocking on your door you have to let them in right? Or is that only on rvedly? Lol

Since: Jan 12

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#40 Apr 19, 2012
I personally do not know what goes on in a strip bar but do know it is being sold by people Aka dealers that is why I was under the assumption it was elegal

“stop it...you're embarrassing ”

Since: Dec 11

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#41 Apr 19, 2012
concerned citizen 29 wrote:
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By no means did I nor am I placing the blame on our officers ..... I know and completely understand about having your hands tied I was just trying to understand the system (although I probably never will).... o understand the lesser charge and lesser sentencing but couldn't the requirements of probation be changed and made harsher in the way or would nearly be impossible for someone on probation to turn the wrong way without someone knowing ... like if your on parole and a officer comes knocking on your door you have to let them in right? Or is that only on rvedly? Lol
I am assuming that the charges will be federal & I have noticed that federal charges are different then county or state charges when it comes to drugs. Federal charges are usually more harsh & carry longer sentences then state. I'm sure that they will be serving time in prison either way, but I am also sure they are thanking God that the feds got them. Federal prisons are like a country club compared to state facilities.
cabin boy

Dallas, WV

#42 Apr 19, 2012
Bring lesser charges, charges get reduced to rat someone and next thing you know Mr. Paglia is back on the street. This being a federal case and federal time having no parole, if they are sentenced they will serve 3/4 of the time they get at a minimum. Also a larger majority of cases prosecuted at the federal level end in coviction. I think they did a fantastic job, however this will only stall the problem. It will never be won. The war on drugs is not winnable. It would take far more resources than any one entity have available. I still want to give a big thanks to all involved in bringing the dirtbags to the gallows. In cases like this I think the most desirable outcome would be them having a huge party and the place burning down with all inside.

Since: Jan 12

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#43 Apr 19, 2012
cabin boy wrote:
Bring lesser charges, charges get reduced to rat someone and next thing you know Mr. Paglia is back on the street. This being a federal case and federal time having no parole, if they are sentenced they will serve 3/4 of the time they get at a minimum. Also a larger majority of cases prosecuted at the federal level end in coviction. I think they did a fantastic job, however this will only stall the problem. It will never be won. The war on drugs is not winnable. It would take far more resources than any one entity have available. I still want to give a big thanks to all involved in bringing the dirtbags to the gallows. In cases like this I think the most desirable outcome would be them having a huge party and the place burning down with all inside.
Your 100% right on the battle will never be won ... we can only pray for those whose families that are tore apart by this horrible drug!

Sad but true my family has been affected by this drug he came close to death but still continuous his path of destruction I would be a "RAT" just to fund the help he needs to make him who he used to be .. however I called him in hopes he could clarify how this salt bust happened like I said I was under the assumption it was illegal ... but he said they would change the compound of the substance to make it legal when the feds made it elegal they had to ban one certain thing. He said in the beginning it said bath salt then changed to plant food and now is being sold as glass cleaner ... sad he can tell me all about this drug but probably doesn't know what 2+2 is... I just pray for our children and there's I hope this epidimic shows everyone the importance in being informative and good rolemodels to our children

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