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Drug testing of those that get any assistance?

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“Phill 4:13”

Since: May 12

Clarksburg WV

#1 May 7, 2012
I was wanting to know what is peoples view on drug testing of people who receive any type of assistance; ie welfare check, food stamps, medical card, hud.

I personally believe if I have to pass a drug test to work then I must also pass one to get assistance. What are your views.
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amazedbyignoranc e

Ardsley, NY

#3 May 7, 2012
Yes the tax payers pay for it, and yes they will eventually figure out a way to beat it. I love the idea of drug screening, the problem is that prescription medicine is the buzz of choice. They get high on scripts which are also being paid for by tax dollars, and as long as they have the script in their name it is legal. I personally think we could save more tax dollars by prescribing ibuprofen instead of hydro's, xanex, and whatever else these people are snorting. Don't even get me started on subutex...

“stop it...you're embarrassing ”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#4 May 7, 2012
I agree the idea is a good one, but like amazed said, there is a fault with this plan. Plus, DHHR will be paying for rehabilitation for those who test positive and choose to continue getting assistance. Therefore, they will not only recieve their assistance, but thousands of dollars a month will be paid to get them off the drugs.
HarrisonCountyAl lMyLife

Clarksburg, WV

#5 May 7, 2012
Do away with it and bring back W.P.A. Im sick of going to work and my tax dollars are spent on welfare, food stamps, Hud, free medical, fixing there cars so they can run around doing nothing but useing GAS. Im just sick of it!!! I dont go to work, I dont get paid. I dont get paid, I dont eat. Most of us go to work sick, what do you thing they are doing????????? They go to the doctor and its paid for, I go to the doctor and I still have to pay for the doctor visit and I dont get paid for not being at WORK!!! Make no since to me, maybe the ones who work are the ones who are crazy!! JUST SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!
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pofolk

Fairmont, WV

#7 May 8, 2012
It's the bad ones that give a bad name for the ones who actually need public assistance rather than the ones who feel like they deserve a handout. Yes my family is on the SNAP program. We utilize every penny on food. Not soda, not energy drinks, not junk food. We do not sell our benefits. My husband and I both work and pay taxes. We do not get a lot in benefits but I will tell you what little we qualify for, we are thankful for. both of us are more than open to the ideas of drug testing. We live our lives and raise our children with honesty and integrity and yes we teach humiliation as well. Sometimes it ok to ask for help when you really need it. So please think twice before you judge the person in front of you at the checkout line who swipes an EBT card through the machine.

“Phill 4:13”

Since: May 12

Clarksburg WV

#8 May 8, 2012
pofolk wrote:
It's the bad ones that give a bad name for the ones who actually need public assistance rather than the ones who feel like they deserve a handout. Yes my family is on the SNAP program. We utilize every penny on food. Not soda, not energy drinks, not junk food. We do not sell our benefits. My husband and I both work and pay taxes. We do not get a lot in benefits but I will tell you what little we qualify for, we are thankful for. both of us are more than open to the ideas of drug testing. We live our lives and raise our children with honesty and integrity and yes we teach humiliation as well. Sometimes it ok to ask for help when you really need it. So please think twice before you judge the person in front of you at the checkout line who swipes an EBT card through the machine.
I too get some assistance. I am on disability from a bad back and me and my family get Snaps, my kids get a medical card and we live in public housing. I have turned down many other programs because we don't need them; ie getting a car and a check. I know people who live here that get any type of government assistants there is and after the second week of the month they are going to the churches and food banks looking for hand outs, many with the smell of beer or drugs still on them or the residue from the pills or bath salts they snorted still under their noses.

When I was able to work if I failed a drug test I would have lost my job period, they would not send me to rehab for a second chance unless I confessed I had a problem before the results came back and then they would only help not pay for the whole thing. If I did not complete the program I would have not have had a job and on completion of the program I would have been tested on a regular bases and if at any time my test would have shown anything other than clean ( even if you do things to mask the drugs it shows up in the test as something wrong) then I would have been fired on the spot and sued for all the money spent on the rehab.

One person mentioned the cost of the test it costs around 65 dollars for 1 test and the price goes down the more tests there are and as for rehab tax payers already pay for people to go to rehab they even give them a disability check ( thanks to science saying drug and alcohol addictions are a disease .. not). I have neighbors they are getting disability checks because they claim to be drug addicts or alcoholics, so the tax payers are paying them to continue in their addiction.

Not everyone that receives assistance is a free loader or has any issues but many look at as their job and since ist is their job then I still say they should be held under the same standards as the working people.

“stop it...you're embarrassing ”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#9 May 8, 2012
Thats the problem with assistance though, those who truly need it get turned away and those who don't get whatever they want when they want it. I know people who have been turned away because they make 2 dollars more then what is required. I had a friend try to get help getting her children school clothes, because she made 10 dollars more on the month then what is required by law, they denied her. She was a single mother with 2 kids who worked a minimum wage job; needless to say, she had to send her kids to school in clothes then did not fit them.
wrong

Idamay, WV

#10 May 8, 2012
AriesBratt wrote:
Thats the problem with assistance though, those who truly need it get turned away and those who don't get whatever they want when they want it. I know people who have been turned away because they make 2 dollars more then what is required. I had a friend try to get help getting her children school clothes, because she made 10 dollars more on the month then what is required by law, they denied her. She was a single mother with 2 kids who worked a minimum wage job; needless to say, she had to send her kids to school in clothes then did not fit them.
Yep! Been there. At one point we were .76 cents over the income limit. Husband on disability and I make minimum wage. I think they should start the drug testing before anyone can qualify for any type of assistance.
amazedbyignoranc e

Clarksburg, WV

#11 May 8, 2012
I would like to see a time limit put on assistance programs. I would also like to see adjustments made to disability programs. Very few people are truly disabled to the point that they cannot contribute to society. AND I want to know how in the seven hells somebody that is unemployed and has paid no taxes can get a $4,000 refund while I who have had to work all year hurt or not had to pay $ 1,000.....wtf is that.
People are not entitled to a lifestyle, you earn it. If you are down on your luck and need help, god bless and please get your help, but work your way out of that hole.
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“Phill 4:13”

Since: May 12

Clarksburg WV

#13 May 8, 2012
That is so true. We need to make the changes in the office to make the changes in the system. I am just making I suggestion for a change that will never get made unless changes unless things are made in the goverment.
Absolute Truthe

Wilmington, NC

#14 May 8, 2012
For those of you who are on assistance AND working, I for one salute you. That is what ASSISTANCE was for, not for the lazy, fat, drug using wouldn't take a job for anything ones who are on it. I too recieved food stamps and a medical card for my children when I was first married. While I was recieving those benifits I was also working 40 plus hours a week at a job that just did not pay for everything. I also agree with the drug screening idea for those who are on ASSISTANCE. While it is true that we would have to pay for it,I think that it would be cheaper in the long run. Those who have a "legitimate" prescription still have to have "theraputic" levels in their systems. In my opinion you should get one shot at it, if you fail a test, your out, if you wanna give them a chance, tell them that they have a time period to get clean and test again. Fail a second time and you are no longer eligible for assistance. There are those who would try to cheat the system. Again, penalize them, if you get caught cheating, one shot and your'e out never eligible again. It's hard but I am sick and tired of going to work, busting my butt everyday, making my sacrifices and paying my taxes just to drive through Clarksburg and seeing those lazy do nothings sitting around on my dime. I don't want to hear about how many people this would put on the street, they choose that life. No jobs available? put them to work cleaning the streets, mowing grass and anything else that the city workers or state workers need help doing, in other words, make them do something for the money besides sit around on the court house plaza waiting to score their drugs or buy their beer with yours and my money that we busted our butts to earn.
whistlindixie

Staunton, VA

#15 May 9, 2012
I sooooo agree with ppl on welfare getting drug tested...it is bs that these lazy worthless ppl sit at home everyday n get free money (most of them on drugs) not all tho! But i dnt ever c the testing happening, if it does it will truely amaze me! I am a wrking, single mother, that makes 7.85 an hr w/ no child support...i dnt dnt qualify for ne assistance, believe me i've tried multiple times, its sickning...im not asking for everything, but a lil fs wuld help out tremendiously...i make $5 too much...go figure! Also at the beginning of the school yr, i too tryd to get a clothing voucher and once again was denied...its really hard to make ends meet and kids clothes r expensive ne more and i wont buy my child cheap, ugly clothes...a lil help wuld b wonderful, but to the gov, its f*ck those who try n wrk and help the 1's who r lazy...dnt make ne sense to me! And to me its not so much the drug users that piss me off that get assistance...there r many drug users that wrk also, but if they did test and cut off the benifits to those who fail a drug test thatvwuld leave a lot more money to benifit the 1's that r just $'s over, like myself n many others! But what pissee me off the most...is jus the ppl that r too lazy to get off their a$$e$ n get a job, weather they r drug users or not and get everythibg...monthly check, fs, free phn, help payn bills, adult medical cards, n all...thats sickning!!! I've wrkd my whole life since i was 15 w/ a wrk permit...i luv wrking...if i didnt have a job, idk what id do...probly go crazy...idk how these ppl do it that jus dnt wrk and let the gov pay for everything they own...i kno a woman like that (not gna mention ne names tho) im not the kinda person to call sum1 out on the internet, but she is 38 yrs old and maybe had 3 jobs her whole life (each for mayb a month or 2) she lives on welfare and child support...that to me is worthless...a waste of f*ckn air...i dk how ppl like that can live w/ themselves...to me thats selfish...if itcwasnt for lazy creeps like her, the gov wuld have a few extra 1,000's of $'s to help out those ppl that wrk, but still need a lil help! I kinda got a lil off track as to what this thread was about, but i jus had to say what i felt about the DHHR and the low lifes n this Co. But bk to the story...yes ppl that get assistance shuld b drug tested! If us wrking folks have to b drug tested to keep our jobs...those lazy folks shuld b drug tested to keep their benefits!!! I wuld take 6 drug yest a day, if it meant i'd jus get a lil help...wuldnt bother me none, cuz i dnt do drugs..........i wuld b sooooo glad to hear that they wuld enforce this action!!!
whistlindixie

Staunton, VA

#16 May 9, 2012
Srry about all the typo's...im on a cell phn and was tryn to type fast...i have fat fingers...lol...hope everybdy can make out what i was tryn to say!
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Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#18 May 9, 2012
This is a no brainer for me. I have to get random drug tests at my job to keep it, why do they get a pass?!? They choose this "career path" it is not a requirement of everyone, only if you expect others to pay to support you. If a portion of my income is going to supporting these people I would like to have a reasonable expectation that they are not sitting on the couch watching soap operas all day smoking weed, Or tweekers. I would like to know MY money is going to decent people that just need a hand getting through a rough patch, not someone taking advantage.
Absoulute Truthe

Wilmington, NC

#19 May 9, 2012
So far I see everyone is on board with the idea. whistlindixie is exactly the people that I am talking about, goes to work to do their best to make ends meet and BECAUSE they are working they don't qualify for assistance, that is BS. Why don't we start a letter writing campaign to get this BS changed. Governor, legistlators, representatives, just flood Charleston with letters, make a big show of it, put petitions up in any business that agrees with our view, (bet there are a lot of them who will agree since they are paying out even more than the average citizen). It is the only way I know of to get it changed. Make a big enough stink and get the media, (as much as I hate them) involved and maybe, just maybe there can be some changes made. We need to get a group of people together who go to work and pay their taxes and can't make ends meet and get them to go to Charleston to make a presence. Get a group of law enforcement officers to go with them to tell them how many people they deal with on a daily basis who are POS's and recieving benefits for doing nothing. Get the drug task force to go to Charleston and tell them how many druggies they deal with who have medical cards to get their free pills with. Maybe if we raise enough stink something will get done.
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Absoulute Truthe

Wilmington, NC

#21 May 10, 2012
That is why you have to get the media involved. Lobbyist will come of their own accord if there is enough movement involved. And as far as "them" not caring about what we think, We get the opportunity every voting season to give them a reason to care what we think. If we vote someone in who says that they are going to do something about it and then they don't then they get voted out. Whether you like the tea party or not, it started out as a grass roots effort that grew into what it is today and believe me the politicians are aware of them. The same thing can be done here, it just has to get started. This is something that affects all of us who work, all of us who try to do the right thing, all of us who have sacrificed comfort over neccessity so that we could pay our bills and keep our families living. Rich or poor, coal minor or mine owner, manager or waitress we all pay for those who refuse to work so that they can get their welfare check and sit on thier butt. We are the ones paying for them to get their medical cards so they can get their free pills and sell them and make more money in a month than the typical honest worker does. I bet they won't think that a job mopping floors at McDonalds is beneath them if they aren't getting any assistance without working, and on that note, if they stop working without cause, they lose their benifits immediately and don't get them back until they start sending pay stubs in again.
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Jima

Herndon, VA

#23 May 10, 2012
amazedbyignorance wrote:
Yes the tax payers pay for it, and yes they will eventually figure out a way to beat it. I love the idea of drug screening, the problem is that prescription medicine is the buzz of choice. They get high on scripts which are also being paid for by tax dollars, and as long as they have the script in their name it is legal. I personally think we could save more tax dollars by prescribing ibuprofen instead of hydro's, xanex, and whatever else these people are snorting. Don't even get me started on subutex...
.......Look.....what have you got against subutex....I shot dope for 20years and have done close to 30 years in the joint...yep...Moundsville when it was a bad ass place...anyway...this medicine helped save my life...I work..pay taxes...own a nice home and take mt prescription everyday....give me a break and stop putting down the best addiction medice on the market.....check out ...Naabt.org
amazedbyignoranc e

Bridgeport, WV

#24 May 10, 2012
Jima wrote:
<quoted text>.......Look.....what have you got against subutex....I shot dope for 20years and have done close to 30 years in the joint...yep...Moundsville when it was a bad ass place...anyway...this medicine helped save my life...I work..pay taxes...own a nice home and take mt prescription everyday....give me a break and stop putting down the best addiction medice on the market.....check out ...Naabt.org
Against the drug? Absolutely nothing. My issue is with the financial obligation imposed on society to fix an individuals ignorant choice to use narcotics.
If what you say is true, you are the exception and I am happy to hear it worked for you. But a majority only use it so they can get through until they can come across enough funding to jam another needle in their arm.
Too many times the hard working straight edged citizen has to carry the weight of those who choose not to.

“Phill 4:13”

Since: May 12

Clarksburg WV

#25 May 11, 2012
I know people in this town that go to the methadone clinic at Rosebud and sell their methadone on the street (that your tax dollars pay for). Lets face the first thing about recovering from an addiction;
First the person must really want to stop. If a person does not want to really stop they will always find an excuse to continue in their addiction.
Now after they have decide they want to stop, I have no issue in helping them out , in fact I am a group leader in an addictions program Reformers Unanimous ( http://reformu.com for more info)as long as they want to quit and this use of things like methadone and suboxine is a tool to help with the bodies addiction and should never be a sub for the addiction. They are not meant to be taken for a long period of time.
I can go on about what is needed to recover but that would be a different forum it boils down to this. As long as we keep handing out stuff to the addict for free, they are going to continue to take it and we are going to continue to make more addicts they we have to give stuff for. But as soon as we take away their funding for their addiction then they will see that they need to change and take the steps to make that change.
Jima

Herndon, VA

#26 May 14, 2012
wvtuck wrote:
I know people in this town that go to the methadone clinic at Rosebud and sell their methadone on the street (that your tax dollars pay for). Lets face the first thing about recovering from an addiction;
First the person must really want to stop. If a person does not want to really stop they will always find an excuse to continue in their addiction.
Now after they have decide they want to stop, I have no issue in helping them out , in fact I am a group leader in an addictions program Reformers Unanimous ( http://reformu.com for more info)as long as they want to quit and this use of things like methadone and suboxine is a tool to help with the bodies addiction and should never be a sub for the addiction. They are not meant to be taken for a long period of time.
I can go on about what is needed to recover but that would be a different forum it boils down to this. As long as we keep handing out stuff to the addict for free, they are going to continue to take it and we are going to continue to make more addicts they we have to give stuff for. But as soon as we take away their funding for their addiction then they will see that they need to change and take the steps to make that change.
.....I agree to a point about the Methadone..I was on it for a few years and it was hell but it beat going out and committing crimes and costing society money for incarceration,etc. I do have a issue about Suboxone and Subutex...I urge you to go to a very reputable website to obtain information regarding this medication...you are very wrong when you state that this medication is not supposed to be taken for a long period of time.The website is: Naabt.org . I take Suboxone on a daily basis and go to work and the whole nine yards...I am a Marine Corp Veteran and attend a veterans support group once a week...medicine alone wont help anyones recovery..a person should have counseling/support groups to enhance their goal of successful and meaningful sobriety...by the way...I pay close to $400.OO per month for my Suboxone.

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