County believes Knox and Kane Railroa...

County believes Knox and Kane Railroad is finished

There are 43 comments on the The Clarion News Online story from Jul 20, 2006, titled County believes Knox and Kane Railroad is finished. In it, The Clarion News Online reports that:

If someone hears trains whistle it is most likely coming from the collection of a railroad enthusiast than from the Knox and Kane Railroad, which used to run through Paint Township .

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traindude666

United States

#21 Mar 27, 2008
this is upsetting i live in Ohio and was ready to pack up and head for Kane when i heard about the fire. The SY58 or 1658 is one of 3 Sy Mikados in America
traindude666

United States

#22 Mar 27, 2008
Alan wrote:
That one locomotive was built sometime in the 1980s in China. I'm sure it will have a long life in front of it. That's one good thing about China - they were still building steam locomotives in the 1980s - hopefully they still are.
China stoped building steam locos in 1999

Since: Feb 08

NW Pa

#23 Apr 4, 2008
traindude666 wrote:
<quoted text>China stoped building steam locos in 1999
Well now I can't think of any good thing about China. Well I guess it does keep Mongolia from washing into the sea!
Nathaniel Emerson

Atlanta, GA

#24 Jun 13, 2008
This News hits me hard, as I was hoping this railroad would eventually run steam trains again. It could have been one of the best and longest runs in Pa. Has anyone heard anything else since the last entry in March?
John from Ohio

Anaheim, CA

#25 Aug 24, 2008
I am glad I had the chance to ride the Knox-Kane RR.
Lots of good memories as a child and adult.
Mark Thompson

United States

#26 Aug 26, 2008
Turn the old rail line into a rails to trails project.
Dave Borkowski

United States

#27 Sep 5, 2008
I was just through Kane, PA last week. The entire train is sitting on the track right along side the main road in town; about 4-5 enclosed passenger cars, and 1 "open" passenger cars with bench seats. I don't recall if I saw an engine. But what is there actually looks in pretty good shape and doesn't appear to need a great deal to put back into operation. I cannot beleive that there is not any train club or society that won't buy or acquire it and put it back into service. The track goes right through the Allegheny National Forest. I wonder if the Forest Service or another governemtal agency would be willing to take it over as an attraction to that area's recreational opportunity?

Since: Feb 08

NW Pa

#28 Sep 7, 2008
If the Allegheny RR (or whatever it is called now - the old Philadelphia & Erie) that comes from Erie and crosses the Knox, Kane and Kinzua in Kane would take over the KKK and run excursion steam trains from Erie, I think they could make a success out of it. It would be a nice long ride, coming from a populated area, and the scenery and ride would be the attraction, even without the Kinzua Bridge.
L E J

Titusville, PA

#29 Sep 7, 2008
Everyone "involved" or "in the know" concerning this project just wants it all to go away. That's the God's truth and I'm sure if there was any money to be made from it they would all be in agreement to take it and then shut it all down at the first sight of decline. It is just the culture of things in this area currently. Anyone with any money or aspirations for making money moves away or isn't from this area (including you) so there isn't anyone to make them change their opinions and this is what we're left with...empty comments left on an unread and ultimately unimportant website.
Alan 0007 wrote:
If the Allegheny RR (or whatever it is called now - the old Philadelphia & Erie) that comes from Erie and crosses the Knox, Kane and Kinzua in Kane would take over the KKK and run excursion steam trains from Erie, I think they could make a success out of it. It would be a nice long ride, coming from a populated area, and the scenery and ride would be the attraction, even without the Kinzua Bridge.

Since: Feb 08

NW Pa

#30 Sep 8, 2008
L E J wrote:
Anyone with any money or aspirations for making money moves away or isn't from this area (including you) so there isn't anyone to make them change their opinions and this is what we're left with...empty comments left on an unread and ultimately unimportant website.
<quoted text>
No, I'm not from Tionesta, but not too far away.
evanrs44

Butler, PA

#31 Sep 13, 2008
This really does make me feel good that people are still wondering about the RR. I road the railroad twice (marineville to kinzu). I have a camp right outside of marineville, and every morning, at 9, the train would wake us up. Every evening at 4, it would come back through again. I haven't been near marineville for 2 years, but I do wish they would run the train again. But think, there would be so much money they would have to put into it. They would need to inspect every inch of track, because its definitly not in good condition (it wasn't in good condition 2 years ago, I can't imagine how it looks now). They need to replace, or fix up (depending on the damage) of the burnt locomotives that were damaged or destroyed in the fire. They would need to build a turn around system in kinzu (since the only one they have is on the other side of the gorge).
Brian

White Plains, NY

#32 Sep 21, 2008
I wish someone could operate a railroad again when it's finished!

Since: Feb 08

NW Pa

#33 Sep 23, 2008
Knox & Kane Railroad to sell entire inventory during auction

By KYLE MILLIRON
Era Reporter
[email protected]

September 23, 2008

Era photo by Francie Long


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The Knox & Kane Railroad, the company that provided freight and tourist travel over the Kinzua Bridge, will sell its entire inventory during an October auction in Marienville.

Everything from steam engines and passenger cars to lanterns and railroad signs must go during the two-day auction slated for Oct. 10 and 11 in Kane, Nansen Junction and Marienville.

Mike Peterson, owner of Mike Peterson Auction & Realty Service of Jamestown, N.Y., said he expects the auction to draw bidders nationwide.

“I’ve had people from Vermont, West Virginia, Maryland, and even Vancouver, Canada, contact me about some of the items in the auction,” Peterson said.

Knox & Kane began operating in the early 1980s, said Teri West, daughter of the railroad owner, Sloan Cornell. In August of 1987, its trains began transporting tourists across the historic bridge, but 15 years later, in July of 2003, a tornado ripped through Kinzua Gorge, collapsing 11 of the bridge’s 20 towers. West said Knox & Kane continued taking passengers to the bridge following its collapse, but the interest in the demolished bridge quickly faded.

“We ran the tourists until October of 2004, but for the two years after the bridge closed, the number of riders declined by 75 percent,” she said.

The loss of riders equaled a loss of income, spurring the upcoming auction.“We were just losing way too much money,” West said.

The railroad has already sold the tracks and right-of-way that lead up to the Kinzua Bridge, West added, but would not reveal who the new owner is.

The tracks run partially through the Kinzua State Park and with plans to erect a discovery center on the south end of the bridge, the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources may have a stake in the proceedings, according to the department’s Deputy Press Secretary Terry Brady.

“We do have an interest in the auction because it could directly affect the park,” Brady said.“We probably won’t be entering into the auction as a state agency. We aren’t ruling anything out but it is very unlikely.”

Peterson said when his company originally started the auction project, he thought many of the items would be bought for scrap, an ending the owners of Knox & Kane did not want to see. But, after the auction company began contacting other small railroads, interest in the “rolling inventory” began to surface.

“We’d hate to see everything sell for scrap,” Peterson commented on the historic significance of the cars and engines.“Some small railroads are now interested in buying some of the items, so they, hopefully, will be put back into use.”

The auction will begin at 10 a.m. in Kane, will move to the Nansen Junction at 2:30 p.m. and the first day will finish at 4:30 p.m. in Marienville on Oct. 10. The second day, Oct. 11, will kick off at 10 a.m.
KnK Fan

Oil City, PA

#34 Oct 2, 2008
Someone did try to get the railroad but unfortunately the red tape in Pennsylvania got them stopped. They had everything in place from new rails and ties to companies on and off line interested in rail service. Red tape! A recent article in Trains mag. highlighted how Pennsylvania has the most short lines of any state. If you looked at the map of this are you seen that there where more abandoned lines than active lines unlike the rest of the state.

Its a shame it was not in the political interest of some to have railroads in their area. They just simply could not afford to line pockets. Additionally an attempt was made to work with the owners of the line. They family wanted nothing more than to see the line gone.

Their is hopes that Kovolcick (sp?) who is the current owner as of Aug. 08 may bring it back.

Since: Feb 08

NW Pa

#35 Oct 17, 2008
Was the actual line sold at the auction in addition to the rolling stock? Does anyone know the results of the auction? Where did the steam engines go?
Thanks.
EMTRailfan

Curwensville, PA

#36 Oct 21, 2008
The entire line and property was sold prior to the auction.

Saved rolling stock:
GP9 #39 SAVED-GORGES Creek RR
2-8-0 #38 SAVED-Alan Maples (Everett RR)
2-8-2 #58 SAVED-Valley RR in CT
Double Decker Open Car-SAVED see links below.(see PRRLLC link below)
Burnt Parlor Car-SAVED Saw it somewhere, can't find the data though.
(1) Open car-Saved Beaver Valley Jct. NRHS
I think most everything else will be meeting its fate with a torch.
Double decker Car-http://www.prrllc.com/proj ects_g29d_main.html
#38 Fire damage- http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php...
#58 damage- http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php...
#39 damage- http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php...
Dick

Annapolis, MD

#37 Nov 15, 2008
Just finished watching a video on RFD tv regarding the engine make in China for Knox and Kane. Wondering what is the status of all the engines and where they are today - Sunday, Oct. 18, 2008. Would like to report the status of the K&K to the Historical Railroad Society, I am a national member and member of the Conneaut Lake Chapter and live in Venango County.
austin

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#38 Jan 2, 2009
Nat Emerson wrote:
They could have atleast salvaged the run between Marianville and Kane. It would have been a nice trip, even just that short. I'm sad to see it go.. It was one of the nicest trips I'd taken.
-nat
I think that would be a good idea. But they sold it now
Austin

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#39 Jan 2, 2009
I wish they still ran it because I never got to ride it And they sold eveything. I will miss SY number 58 Iwent to kane to see it but it was gone
Austin

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#40 Jan 2, 2009
Dick wrote:
Just finished watching a video on RFD tv regarding the engine make in China for Knox and Kane. Wondering what is the status of all the engines and where they are today - Sunday, Oct. 18, 2008. Would like to report the status of the K&K to the Historical Railroad Society, I am a national member and member of the Conneaut Lake Chapter and live in Venango County.
I wached that one on RFD tv to.

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