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Nasty

Canton, OH

#1 Apr 22, 2013
Headline on today's local page: Bayfront is key to future.

"The goal of Destination Erie is to create a vision for northwest Pennsylvania's future, particularly by creating a plan to develop Erie's bayfront. "

Wow ! Impressive. Who doesn't think Erie's bayfront has potential and begs to be "developed"? Who among you have heard all this before ? Better question.... who hasn't heard all this before ?

Forgive me for being so skeptical but I'm not going to put stock into this effort. I'm going to allow time, perhaps a couple of years tops, and then read about the disolving and demise of Destination Erie. I know that's so negative of me but this is Erie and projects of this magnatude won't come to fruition. They can't.
Why you ask ? There are too many people here that just don't care anymore. They've seen too many promised plans either crumble before taking hold or what little improvements were made neglected into unrepaired embarassment.
I believe that most members of local organizations for improvement care very little about the outcomes. Their goal is to put themselves on a board or committee in order to be seen and to be invited to various social functions for whatever status they seek. They are like most everyone else. They want the exposure but not the responsibility. That defines Erie very accurately. People want better stuff but too few accept doing their part for good things to happen.
While it sounds wonderful and Destination Erie wants everyone to know how committed they are, this whole effort will end up fading away just as those have in the past and will in the years ahead. Good intentions are nice but after so many failures before them Destination Erie has to be so much more than talk and promise. Good luck to those folks but we've all seen this movie before and we all know how it ends. More popcorn ? Enjoy the show. It's both a comedy and a tragedy.
boy

Pioneer, OH

#2 Apr 22, 2013
Erie is a great destination... if you are a turd.
destination palookaville

Erie, PA

#3 Apr 22, 2013
The guy running the entire process has zero experience with this type of effort. He is a Garvey plant. His last job was running the box office at the de Angelo center. This is no time for on the job training.

And the bay front? It's been developed. Just what in the hell are these people going to do it now?

The key to Erie's future is to take a boat, fill it with Bill Garvey and his cult, and send it over Niagara Falls.
Jesus Saves Coupons

Adelanto, CA

#4 Apr 23, 2013
destination palookaville wrote:
The guy running the entire process has zero experience with this type of effort. He is a Garvey plant. His last job was running the box office at the de Angelo center. This is no time for on the job training.
And the bay front? It's been developed. Just what in the hell are these people going to do it now?
The key to Erie's future is to take a boat, fill it with Bill Garvey and his cult, and send it over Niagara Falls.
Throw a couple twinks in that boat and then watch Garvey and his cult jump in. They would need the Lucitania to get them up to Niagara Falls!!
Satan loves Democrats

Erie, PA

#5 Apr 23, 2013
Jesus Saves Coupons wrote:
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Throw a couple twinks in that boat and then watch Garvey and his cult jump in. They would need the Lucitania to get them up to Niagara Falls!!
His cult would be most of the high level Erie democrats.
la toya

Erie, PA

#6 Apr 23, 2013
Mike Furmans big credentials are that he was a dance major at mercyhurst (I am not kidding) and then he managed the d'angelo center. He is lost and it is showing. Eric from the "world expert architects" WRT architects is a whiney little tool. Not a single idea of his was interesting, origional, or feasible, but he sure can talk. He talked for over two hours and said nothing. There is some connection between this WRT and the Scott family. WRT is not being upfront about who they are working for.
La La

Erie, PA

#7 Apr 23, 2013
I was at the big bayfront presentation that was promoted in the times for the Destination Erie group. 2 hours and the guy from WRT didn't have one interesting thing to say. And the ideas he did have were complete nonsense. When people started pointing out his dumb ideas, he'd back track and say they are just ideas and need more study. Really if they are just random ideas then why did you alert the media and make this big presentation if you won't stand behind your big ideas? I agree with some other poster, WRT and all of them are in cahoots with the scotts and that is never good. Didn't Scott just settle a decade old lawsuit with casey wells and now they are working together with WRT? I don't buy it.
Tim Leary

Newark, NJ

#8 Apr 23, 2013
The bayfront iew is lovely! When I look over the rubble of a factory that once provided 700 ffamily supporting jobs I ccan see an empty hotel/convention center!:-)
Nasty

Canton, OH

#9 Apr 24, 2013
La La wrote:
I was at the big bayfront presentation that was promoted in the times for the Destination Erie group. 2 hours and the guy from WRT didn't have one interesting thing to say. And the ideas he did have were complete nonsense. When people started pointing out his dumb ideas, he'd back track and say they are just ideas and need more study. Really if they are just random ideas then why did you alert the media and make this big presentation if you won't stand behind your big ideas? I agree with some other poster, WRT and all of them are in cahoots with the scotts and that is never good. Didn't Scott just settle a decade old lawsuit with casey wells and now they are working together with WRT? I don't buy it.
Destination Erie too shall pass just like all nonsense groups do. Collectively Erie people lack the will and energy to press on toward community improvement. A new discount store in a strip mall or a new fast food chain restaurant is, by Erie standards, something to get excited about. More jobs ( now matter how low paying ) cheap food, and discounted goods of lesser quality are all it takes to make Erie feel good today.
Those that start up " improve Erie " movements are themselves by products of Erie and the Erie way of doing things. While some may have grand intententions most climb aboard for the ride in order to appear important in front of a public forum. Those who may be true will undoubtedly lack the skills, experience, and perspective to actually get their cause off the ground. Meetings, meetings, and more meetings will define this project until even the most ardent supporters realize nothing is coming to fruition. It won't be too long before they begin to slough off one by one into oblivion.
Think that won't happen this time ? Is this the group that will break the mold and actually push forward with real positive results ? Don't hold your breath folks, it's Erie and the Erie way we're so accustomed to. Tighten your belt once more, expect further decline and a circus like atmosphere with a lot of meaningless talk. But hey, maybe Erie can get a Chili's restaurant to open on Buffalo Road. That way everyone can feel like progress and better times are right around the corner !
Nasty

Canton, OH

#12 Apr 24, 2013
Tax, it's just a matter of time for Erie to have to take similar measures as Reading. Erie citizens will scoff at all this of course but the time is indeed coming.
I can't say it's a shame anymore. It's a product of decades of decay as a result of collective inattention. Voting for the same old fools who only know how to do the same old things, families believing everything from the good old days would last forever, relutance to change, reluctance to monitor the schools, etc. We could go on and on couldn't we ? So much, not all mind you, but so much decay resulting from too many people passing off responsibilities to maintain a healthy community onto others. Let someone else fix it. Well, now no one can anymore.

That's Erie for sure. It been trending this way for quite a few years but like any dying body seeking treatment usually comes too late.
The time for Erie to rebound has passed and more often the young people know it. They desire warmer, brighter environments with greater promise. And who can blame them ? Meanwhile Erie just keeps growing older, poorer, and dumber.
Like a play production it's both a tragedy and a comedy rolled into one.
TaxNoMore

Los Angeles, CA

#13 Apr 24, 2013
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"Now's the time to set us up for a long-range plan to address some of our capital needs."

Over 15 years, the total borrowing is expected to cost the city about $34 million in principal payments and fees
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Laura Schaaf, Sinnott's assistant, said the bond request is a testament to the city's financial health.
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By the end of 2011, the city will owe a total of nearly $65 million in principal payments alone on outstanding bonds.

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How's that for logical thinking?

Take out a bond for pot holes and police cars that will be junk in five years or less.

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And now you have the phony reassessment poised to snatch another $200 from the unsuspecting eerie rubes.
CRANK

Erie, PA

#14 Apr 24, 2013
It was painfully obvious last night that the project was the project. This was billed as a second phase progress report, and not meant to provide specific recommendations, rather they were seeking input. In other words I took that to mean they still had grant money available to continue the 'process'.
That the so called experts needed amateur input before they could formulate or present an actual detailed recommendation is symptomatic of the continual waste of money these so called 'projects' represent. To date well over a million dollars has been committed to this, and I challenge anyone, based on last night's presentation, to justify that expense.
What was, in my opinion, a positive coming out of the session, was what I perceived as the public's irritation with the entire program. I didn't hear of anyone thinking they left with valuable new found information.
La La

Erie, PA

#15 Apr 24, 2013
CRANK wrote:
It was painfully obvious last night that the project was the project. This was billed as a second phase progress report, and not meant to provide specific recommendations, rather they were seeking input. In other words I took that to mean they still had grant money available to continue the 'process'.
That the so called experts needed amateur input before they could formulate or present an actual detailed recommendation is symptomatic of the continual waste of money these so called 'projects' represent. To date well over a million dollars has been committed to this, and I challenge anyone, based on last night's presentation, to justify that expense.
What was, in my opinion, a positive coming out of the session, was what I perceived as the public's irritation with the entire program. I didn't hear of anyone thinking they left with valuable new found information.
I agree with CRANK and NASTY who posted earlier. The only thing that destination erie has achived is to aquire 1.8 million in free money to be distrobuted to various unqualified do nothings like Furman and members of the local Chamber of commerce. The focus of the big presentation at the library last night was that this "expert" from out of town wants to study our bayfront. He had one idea that was just "loopy" and was virtually laughed out of the room. When challenged about his "loopy" ideas he recoiled and said that they needed to be studied further. In other words he wants to be paid to burn through more of his fee to come up with more "loopy" ideas. It was comical to watch nick scott, schreckengost, and wells all sit at the same table and pretend that they could work together on this project. Didn't the scotts just loose a 20 year old lawsuit vrs these two. Only a clueless consultant from out of town would think that might work.

The real question is why are the erie times, the erie reader, grossman, the scotts, and the jefferson society all promoting this WRT group from out of town. You would think this lecture at the library was the second comming, and this savior consultant from out of town would have all the answers that would save Erie and make it a wonderful place to live overnight. Instead it was painfully obvious that this Eric from WRT had nothing to offer, had no origional ideas and was only interested in more study, and more fee.
Erie

Newark, NJ

#16 Apr 24, 2013
Get your filthy hands off of me, republican slime!
Sarah

Erie, PA

#17 Apr 24, 2013
Headline in the paper: Vision: Connecting bayfront, downtown is key!

When you get past the horrific syntax of the erie times headlines, I think the only possible responce to this headline and the whole lecture is...

DUH!!!!
Tim Leary

Newark, NJ

#18 Apr 24, 2013
Sarah wrote:
Headline in the paper: Vision: Connecting bayfront, downtown is key!
When you get past the horrific syntax of the erie times headlines, I think the only possible responce to this headline and the whole lecture is...
DUH!!!!
great point Sarah. As it stands the view of the bayfront is an ugly testament to greed.
Stu

Erie, PA

#19 Apr 26, 2013
So basically some dork from out of town was paid to driveby our bayfront and tell us stuff that we already knew. "The bay front is important, and the key to your future", ah yeah, how is that origional or interesting. The two ideas that the WRT guy threw out there were horrible and laughed at and when people questioned him about them he tried to backpedal. "I think we need to study these ideas more", he said, in other words "I need to charge you another $700,000 to think about it and come back with whatever you want to hear."

This guy was just fishing for a job and for some reason the times, the liberal erie reader, grossman and the scotts are all promoting these guys from out of town. In my book WRT is in bed with the Scotts and that can only mean bad things for the erie bayfront. Didn't Nick Scott just loose a lawsuit with the city? These guys are fishy....
Road warrior

Dalton, GA

#20 Apr 26, 2013
Erie is stuck in the past and refuses to move forward. They believe that tourism is the golden fleece. Erie is fine in the summer but sucks in the winter. Who in their right mind is going to come visit Erie when it's 20 degrees with snow blowing sideways? Until Erie brings back some good industrial companies that pay decent wages it will continue to suffer. These clowns are clueless.
Devastation Erie

Paterson, NJ

#21 Apr 26, 2013
Build a private prison where G.E. used to be. At least the displaced workers will have a roof over their head.
demagogue

Erie, PA

#22 Apr 27, 2013
what did eddie kissell and jerry scrpzackzck have to say about this? as long as there is a ton of free parking and totally free boat launches for them and their pals everything will be ok.

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