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Jon Winthrop

Orange, NJ

#1 Apr 22, 2013
Ok now put your hands on your heart....

I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the NRA of America, one nation under seige, indivisble with liberty and justice for whoever has the biggest fastest firing assult weapon.

We the people (of the NRA), in order to form a more perfect union will indeed hold all the so-called elected officials accountable. Fortunately, we here at the NRA have enough of the dupped dumb asses to rely on that don't really know or care about us owning their pathetic little government.

So go ahead you SOB's if you vote for any type of gun control at all we will retaliate and cut the bribe money spigot that gets you re-elected. So you didn't think we were stuffing your coffers because we like your policies (hahahaaha)...so payback is a bitch as they say ..."go ahead, make our day" if you don't care about your A rating....its looking like a B minus for you elected SOB's

So there, no gun control legislation for you arragant little peasants. Hahahaha...you thought you could but your US Congress in order to limit rounds or have background checks, hahahahha you naive little peasants. We have them bought and paid for...lock, stock and barrel...yes those elected Congress people are in our pockets....

We say jump...they say " How High, sir"
We ask them "what's your rating you little turds?"
They say "I have an A rating Sir"

If you don't get in lockstep its a B minus for you.....you hear you little elected turds...
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#2 Apr 23, 2013
Jon Winthrop wrote:
Ok now put your hands on your heart....
I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the NRA of America, one nation under seige, indivisble with liberty and justice for whoever has the biggest fastest firing assult weapon.
We the people (of the NRA), in order to form a more perfect union will indeed hold all the so-called elected officials accountable. Fortunately, we here at the NRA have enough of the dupped dumb asses to rely on that don't really know or care about us owning their pathetic little government.
So go ahead you SOB's if you vote for any type of gun control at all we will retaliate and cut the bribe money spigot that gets you re-elected. So you didn't think we were stuffing your coffers because we like your policies (hahahaaha)...so payback is a bitch as they say ..."go ahead, make our day" if you don't care about your A rating....its looking like a B minus for you elected SOB's
So there, no gun control legislation for you arragant little peasants. Hahahaha...you thought you could but your US Congress in order to limit rounds or have background checks, hahahahha you naive little peasants. We have them bought and paid for...lock, stock and barrel...yes those elected Congress people are in our pockets....
We say jump...they say " How High, sir"
We ask them "what's your rating you little turds?"
They say "I have an A rating Sir"
If you don't get in lockstep its a B minus for you.....you hear you little elected turds...
amazing the hatred you have for the Constitution of the United States of America.
The NRA defends our constitution so that we dont become the peasants you speak of.
The NRA is a group of like minded Americans that are joined together as a Union to defend our rights. Dont like it?? move to France
boy

Pioneer, OH

#3 Apr 23, 2013
Jon Winthrop wrote:
Ok now put your hands on your heart....
I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the NRA of America, one nation under seige, indivisble with liberty and justice for whoever has the biggest fastest firing assult weapon.
We the people (of the NRA), in order to form a more perfect union will indeed hold all the so-called elected officials accountable. Fortunately, we here at the NRA have enough of the dupped dumb asses to rely on that don't really know or care about us owning their pathetic little government.
So go ahead you SOB's if you vote for any type of gun control at all we will retaliate and cut the bribe money spigot that gets you re-elected. So you didn't think we were stuffing your coffers because we like your policies (hahahaaha)...so payback is a bitch as they say ..."go ahead, make our day" if you don't care about your A rating....its looking like a B minus for you elected SOB's
So there, no gun control legislation for you arragant little peasants. Hahahaha...you thought you could but your US Congress in order to limit rounds or have background checks, hahahahha you naive little peasants. We have them bought and paid for...lock, stock and barrel...yes those elected Congress people are in our pockets....
We say jump...they say " How High, sir"
We ask them "what's your rating you little turds?"
They say "I have an A rating Sir"
If you don't get in lockstep its a B minus for you.....you hear you little elected turds...
substitute ' food stamps ' for NRA in your personal mantra
American Patriot

United States

#4 Apr 23, 2013
The United States is the greatest & best country to have ever evolved on this planet. The NRA is the only organization dedicated to the principles outlined in our constitution & which has remained true to them.
It is sad that so many of the citizens in this country have so little understanding of what freedom is & how fragile it can be. We have a government today which willfully chooses to ignore the constraints placed on it which protect the rights of its citizens. We have elected officials who make a mockery of the oath of office they took to serve in the peoples best interest & to defend/protect the Constitution . Many of these very same officials actively work against the Constitution & Bill of Rights in favor of an agenda which seeks to destroy the very society which provides the freedom they enjoy to replace it with a Socialist system under which the people will become subject to a ruling aristocracy with no rights guaranteed to an individual citizen.
The saddest element in this is the fact the people have become complacent at best, ignorant of what they really possess in the way of individual freedom which is unique in the world today & vote in favor of those who are dedicated to taking away all the freedoms & personal liberty the people now enjoy.
America today is in decline, can it be turned around? will the light of hope & promise which has inspired the downtrodden of world be extinquished? Considering the blathering`s of the ignorant fools on this forum, it is a question with the troubling answer it is well on its way.We are a country which is rotting away from within.

Since: Apr 13

Rochester, PA

#5 Apr 23, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
amazing the hatred you have for the Constitution of the United States of America.
The NRA defends our constitution so that we dont become the peasants you speak of.
The NRA is a group of like minded Americans that are joined together as a Union to defend our rights. Dont like it?? move to France
The NRA is a lobby for gun MANUFACTURERS not owners. They lie and inflate their membership numbers to give the appearance of having more power than they actually do. They exist only to line the pockets of manufacturers by whipping up gun owners into a frenzy about non existent gun control legislation.

The NRA is a paper tiger.
Flint Westwood

United States

#6 Apr 23, 2013
Randy Randerson wrote:
<quoted text>
The NRA is a lobby for gun MANUFACTURERS not owners. They lie and inflate their membership numbers to give the appearance of having more power than they actually do. They exist only to line the pockets of manufacturers by whipping up gun owners into a frenzy about non existent gun control legislation.
The NRA is a paper tiger.
In all due respect....You do not know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NRA. Ignorance can be cured with education,stupidity is forever! You like so many are oblivious to reality or truth, that makes you stupid!
I am a Benefactor Life Member, competitive shooter ,gun collector, former law enforcement officer & now a private citizen......I certainly have a much better understanding of & what the NRA is all about then you & your line of BS with outright lies try to paint the NRA to be.
Satan loves Democrats

Erie, PA

#11 Apr 23, 2013
Flint Westwood wrote:
<quoted text>
In all due respect....You do not know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the NRA. Ignorance can be cured with education,stupidity is forever! You like so many are oblivious to reality or truth, that makes you stupid!
I am a Benefactor Life Member, competitive shooter ,gun collector, former law enforcement officer & now a private citizen......I certainly have a much better understanding of & what the NRA is all about then you & your line of BS with outright lies try to paint the NRA to be.
Correct. The dude certainly does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. The left wing shittbaggers always seem to think they know more about organizations than those who are actually involved in them.

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#12 Apr 23, 2013
Ok let's see here...the NRA has 4.5 million members. Sounds like a lot doesn't it? Well there are apparently 60 something million gun owners in the country so they actually only represent about 6% of gun owners.

How does a lobby with 4.5 million members have so much power in Washington? Certainly not because of the massive amounts of money the gun manufacturers pour into the NRA to protect their rights to massive profits.

They bait people with fear about gun confiscation or some other BS that no liberal has ever even proposed, just so they can defeat any bill that would make a dent in the profits of the corporations.

For comparison's sake...there are roughly 4.5 million NRA members and they seem to have unlimited power to deny any legislation at any time. So less than 1% of the population gets to decide unilaterally which gun control measures pass?

Congress is so scared of pissing off the NRA and all 4.5 million of their members, but give not a sh!t about the other couple hundred million of us who don't want every other idiot on the street packing heat.

Sounds really democratic to me.

I may not know a lot about guns, but I know if 90% of people polled want stricter background checks and it can't get passed because one relatively tiny minority doesn't like it, that isn't democracy.

Let's say that 90% figure is inflated due to poor polling, etc. Even with a 30% margin of error that would mean the legislation should still pass.

So your tiny little gun club is EXACTLY a paper tiger. The only thing that gives them power is people in Washington being pu$$ies and not standing up to them.

So tell me what is democratic about 4.5 million gun owners dictating laws to the other 300 million or so?

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#13 Apr 23, 2013
I actually do know a little bit about the NRA. They spent 10 million dollars of YOUR money to defeat Obama.

That went well didn't it?
boy

Pioneer, OH

#15 Apr 23, 2013
Randy Randerson wrote:
I actually do know a little bit about the NRA. They spent 10 million dollars of YOUR money to defeat Obama.
That went well didn't it?
there are more of you scumbags than us... thats why we need the high capacity magazines.

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#16 Apr 23, 2013
boy wrote:
<quoted text>there are more of you scumbags than us... thats why we need the high capacity magazines.
Apparently someone needs a civics lesson on "democracy".

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#17 Apr 23, 2013
boy wrote:
<quoted text>there are more of you scumbags than us... thats why we need the high capacity magazines.
Plus, you'd need that high capacity mag to keep your ass from getting kicked.
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#19 Apr 23, 2013
Randy Randerson wrote:
Ok let's see here...the NRA has 4.5 million members. Sounds like a lot doesn't it? Well there are apparently 60 something million gun owners in the country so they actually only represent about 6% of gun owners.
How does a lobby with 4.5 million members have so much power in Washington? Certainly not because of the massive amounts of money the gun manufacturers pour into the NRA to protect their rights to massive profits.
They bait people with fear about gun confiscation or some other BS that no liberal has ever even proposed, just so they can defeat any bill that would make a dent in the profits of the corporations.
For comparison's sake...there are roughly 4.5 million NRA members and they seem to have unlimited power to deny any legislation at any time. So less than 1% of the population gets to decide unilaterally which gun control measures pass?
Congress is so scared of pissing off the NRA and all 4.5 million of their members, but give not a sh!t about the other couple hundred million of us who don't want every other idiot on the street packing heat.
Sounds really democratic to me.
I may not know a lot about guns, but I know if 90% of people polled want stricter background checks and it can't get passed because one relatively tiny minority doesn't like it, that isn't democracy.
Let's say that 90% figure is inflated due to poor polling, etc. Even with a 30% margin of error that would mean the legislation should still pass.
So your tiny little gun club is EXACTLY a paper tiger. The only thing that gives them power is people in Washington being pu$$ies and not standing up to them.
So tell me what is democratic about 4.5 million gun owners dictating laws to the other 300 million or so?
Even if your "poll" was correct, which it isn't even close. It makes no difference . You can not pass a law that violates the constitution even if 100% want it. that's not how it works.
There is no way that mandatory background checks for all transfers could work with out total gun registration
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#20 Apr 23, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey grind your own, it's not the oppressive government you have to be worried about. It's fellow citizens who see through your weak sauce and have rights of our own. Check out my resubmission to the ETN homie. Read it and weep.(No guarantee of submission though.)
"Neither Charles Cook nor Doug DiPlacido published 4/12 and 4/17 respectively (Erie Times-News) liked my idea of jail time for failure to secure a gun. The NRA meme says others can only get guns when pried from cold, dead hands, yet both claimed victimhood as if having no control over gun theft. I call baloney.
I shouldn't have to buy a gun to defend against their gun irresponsibly on the street. I don't own a gun; I don't want the responsibility. Many own guns and don't want it either.
A gun stolen from a home is not the issue of it being secured. If your locked house was secure you wouldn't need a gun for defense in it. It's also not secured if dropped, lost or in the possession of an irresponsible other. All responsibility for gun security lies with the gun owner, not me or the government.
If a gun owner is against responsibility for securing his gun he's too mentally unstable to own a gun in my opinion. Responsible gun owners should be heroic, protective figures not people at the responsibility level of a 6 year old but with a strong lobby behind them.
Promoting safety and home as castle are nice general ideas. But if a guy's condom breaks we don't let him avoid child support by claiming a right to privacy in the home and that he tried to be safe. Analogies aren't perfect but for whatever the gun, men should be men and accept responsibility, unintended consequences or not.
Infinitely harsher laws for desperate criminals who don't care isn't the answer to keeping guns off the street. But making gun owners man up under penalty of law might help."
You mad Bro?
LOL.. you must assume that I hold your opinion in some high regards to think that you could make me mad. LOL again.
your a couple blocks away from 18th street ghetto, do you think because some second rate liberal newspaper prints one of your rants that the world will side with you?? Just pay your child support and move along

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#21 Apr 23, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if your "poll" was correct, which it isn't even close. It makes no difference . You can not pass a law that violates the constitution even if 100% want it. that's not how it works.
There is no way that mandatory background checks for all transfers could work with out total gun registration
Since you are a constitutional scholar and all, why don't you explain what part of the bill is unconstitutional? Did I miss the part of the 2nd Amendment that mentions background checks?

Plus the 2nd Amendment really only applies to militias. Are you a "WELL REGULATED" militia?
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#22 Apr 23, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey grind your own, it's not the oppressive government you have to be worried about. It's fellow citizens who see through your weak sauce and have rights of our own. Check out my resubmission to the ETN homie. Read it and weep.(No guarantee of submission though.)
"Neither Charles Cook nor Doug DiPlacido published 4/12 and 4/17 respectively (Erie Times-News) liked my idea of jail time for failure to secure a gun. The NRA meme says others can only get guns when pried from cold, dead hands, yet both claimed victimhood as if having no control over gun theft. I call baloney.
I shouldn't have to buy a gun to defend against their gun irresponsibly on the street. I don't own a gun; I don't want the responsibility. Many own guns and don't want it either.
A gun stolen from a home is not the issue of it being secured. If your locked house was secure you wouldn't need a gun for defense in it. It's also not secured if dropped, lost or in the possession of an irresponsible other. All responsibility for gun security lies with the gun owner, not me or the government.
If a gun owner is against responsibility for securing his gun he's too mentally unstable to own a gun in my opinion. Responsible gun owners should be heroic, protective figures not people at the responsibility level of a 6 year old but with a strong lobby behind them.
Promoting safety and home as castle are nice general ideas. But if a guy's condom breaks we don't let him avoid child support by claiming a right to privacy in the home and that he tried to be safe. Analogies aren't perfect but for whatever the gun, men should be men and accept responsibility, unintended consequences or not.
Infinitely harsher laws for desperate criminals who don't care isn't the answer to keeping guns off the street. But making gun owners man up under penalty of law might help."
You mad Bro?
what rights of our own that legal gun owners step on are you referring to?

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#23 Apr 23, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if your "poll" was correct, which it isn't even close. It makes no difference . You can not pass a law that violates the constitution even if 100% want it. that's not how it works.
There is no way that mandatory background checks for all transfers could work with out total gun registration
Oh and double check my math if you'd like. The NRA represents 4.5 out of roughly 60 million gun owners. The NRA is NOT the decider on what steps the government must take to keep military weapons out of the hands of the average idiot. They have disproportionate power over the laws of this country relative to who they supposedly represent.

If you go with the "shall not be infringed" argument, which is one sentence clause taken wildly out of context by the NRA, I already have a question for you.

Where does it end? If you can have an AR-15 why can't you have a grenade launcher attachment? What about a mounted machine gun on the roof of my house? Is that legal? Can a build a cannon in my backyard? What about claymores to keep religion peddlers off my doorstep?

I think you are afraid of where your supposedly airtight argument takes you. Talk about a slippery slope towards registration, how about a slippery slope towards driving down the highway next to a dude with a machine gun mounted in his truck.

Also, the gun registration? There is no constitutional argument against gun registration. I say screw you, why shouldn't you have to register your firearms? The only people background checks and registration should scare are people who wouldn't pass either. I will assume that you are all responsible gun owners here, so why so worried?
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#24 Apr 23, 2013
Randy Randerson wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you are a constitutional scholar and all, why don't you explain what part of the bill is unconstitutional? Did I miss the part of the 2nd Amendment that mentions background checks?
Plus the 2nd Amendment really only applies to militias. Are you a "WELL REGULATED" militia?
You need to do some research on the three branches of the militia. the third branch includes the remaining armed population .
do your own research, Im tired of telling you clowns how to find everything
like I said. mandatory background checks will not work without total gun registration. Gun registration has been found unconstitutional by the supreme court as it provides a means for disarmament of the militia by the federal military
mind your own

Prospect, PA

#25 Apr 23, 2013
Randy Randerson wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you are a constitutional scholar and all, why don't you explain what part of the bill is unconstitutional? Did I miss the part of the 2nd Amendment that mentions background checks?
Plus the 2nd Amendment really only applies to militias. Are you a "WELL REGULATED" militia?
one more time for those of you that do not know what the militia is. google" efficiency of militia bill h.r, 11654"

Since: Apr 13

Erie, PA

#26 Apr 23, 2013
mind your own wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to do some research on the three branches of the militia. the third branch includes the remaining armed population .
do your own research, Im tired of telling you clowns how to find everything
like I said. mandatory background checks will not work without total gun registration. Gun registration has been found unconstitutional by the supreme court as it provides a means for disarmament of the militia by the federal military
The militia as written in the constitution is actually a tool of the government in the first place. There was no intent for militias to operate outside the government anyways. Military action against the USA is treason so any group that took up armed revolt against the government would be traitors.

In fact the last time the militia was actually used was to put down a rebellion in 1814 (I think, don't feel like looking up the year).

The idea of the militia as a protector against the viscous Feds is a purely 21st century line of thinking.

I hope the army shows no mercy against any militia group operating against our best interests. And you and your bros won't be able to do a damn thing no matter how many ARs you have.

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