DREAM Act vote possible

There are 20 comments on the Nov 27, 2010, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story titled DREAM Act vote possible. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

The final days of the current congressional session may provide an opportunity to pass legislation giving a path to U.S. citizenship to some young people who are in the country illegally.

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What

Redlands, CA

#23 Nov 28, 2010
Lois wrote:
When I hear about the Dream Act being good for the economy, I think of California and L.A. If there were any place in the US that demonstrates the impact of illegal aliens on the economy, its California! They are going bankrupt! I also look at Bell, CA, which is a community that has over 50% illegal aliens. Sorry!
As far as the military is concerned, the US Army has EXCEEDED its recruitment goals for several years! Google it! Due to the economy, many young people are joining in order to feed their families. Recruiters are turning them away!!! This is a lie that they are needed in order to have a standing army. It is also an area in which US citizens will be competing with illegal aliens...
They say that these are poor kids, who, through no fault of their own...bla, bla, and that they this is the only country that they know. Not good enough! There are many instances of individuals, who, through no fault of their own. I think of our foster children, children of incarcerated parents, children from single parent homes.
We have given these children (age 35) a free K-12 education, free breakfast/lunch, medical, etc. This is quite an education considering the countries they come from. It should hold them in good stead when they return.
We have qualified Americans who are begging for jobs, we don't need another million "dreamers" thrown into the job market as well. Bad idea.
Most knew of their status long ago, the family is here because they are waiting for amnesty. I know there are those who hold advanced degrees, yet work at restaurants, etc. Thus the nature of being here illegally. We can't reward this. It would only encourage others to come and qualify under the same circumstances. We must have them go back and tell the story that it ain't worth it!
One of the things that they say is that Dreamers would only qualify for loans and College work Study. Welllll, how many of the loans will be repaid? It will be a while before we get the monies back, if ever. The College work study program is a program in which a limited amount of federal funds are given to colleges for students to earn as they learn. Dreamers say that they will work for these monies, however, due to the limited amount available, it takes away from citizen children, no matter how hard they work.
After a Dreamer turns 21, they can start a chain migration for their relatives, which turns into amnesty for all, including the parents who brought them.
Finally, there has never been an appreaciation for what they have already received. In spite of the health care, free meals, while receiving a free education, they have NEVER expressed appreciation. They have always come up with requesting more, more, more! I see these students telling us we are racist red necks if we don't agree with them (I'm black). They have never acknowledged nor justified why they deserve to move ahead of those who have struggled and respected our laws. They have never spoken out against those who walk on, spit on, and try to burn the American flag, while waving the Mexican flag. I could go on and on. There are many who are suffering hardships, get over it, turn to the parents who brought you here for a solution.
P.S., I don't believe that they can't speak the language, it is ALWAYS spoken in their home. Usually they serve as translators for the parents who brought them here and refuse to learn the language. No, no, no! Dream Act!
Thank You, What does the administration tell law abiding immigrants waiting in line that it is ok to ignore our laws and get rewarded for it? Or is this just for a special race?
TEA

Saint Louis, MO

#24 Nov 28, 2010
The "DREAM act" is a NIGHTMARE for the American people....
JON

United States

#25 Nov 28, 2010
The dream act has about as much chances of passing as I do winning the super lottery.The left does this to get the latino vote.It may pass the house but it will die in the senate.Can we really move on to something that has a better chance of passing.What a waste of time,but I guess its politics.Dream act supporters why did nt the left bring this up when they might have had 60 votes in the senate?They do not want amnesty either only your votes
Mr Midwest

Kansas City, MO

#26 Nov 28, 2010
Please pass the Dream Act under one condition, all of the Mexicans can only live in California. They can finish off what they started and bring the Golden (brown) State to total ruin. I got the hell out last year and it was the best thing I ever did.
christie

San Marcos, CA

#27 Nov 28, 2010
Arthur AMERICAN CITIZEN wrote:
....::::: STOP THE HATE, AND LETS BE GET TO REAL FACTS:::::.....
The DREAM Act—a popular proposal to provide legal status to undocumented youth who entered the U.S. as children, graduated from U.S. high schools, and attend college or enter the military—is the target of a smear campaign from anti-immigration hardliners. According to them, passage of the DREAM Act would cheat native-born students out of opportunities. This tired effort to pit immigrants and native-born—whether they are workers or students—against one another is not only destructive, but has no basis in fact. Moreover, it ignores the economic benefits that come from legalizing a group of talented, hard-working individuals who want nothing more than to contribute to America and repay the country for the opportunities they’ve been given.
Research has shown that providing a legal status for young people who have a proven record of success in the United States would be a boon to the economy and the U.S. workforce. University presidents and educational associations, as well as military recruiters, business and religious leaders, have added their voice to those calling for passage of the bill. The DREAM Act will help boost the number of high-skilled American-raised workers. A 2010 study by the UCLA North American Integration and Development Center estimates that the total earnings of DREAM Act beneficiaries over the course of their working lives would be between $1.4 trillion and $3.6 trillion. Removing the uncertainty of undocumented status allows legalized immigrants to earn higher wages and move into higher-paying occupations, and also encourages them to invest more in their own education, open bank accounts, buy homes, and start businesses.
The U.S. military also needs the DREAM Act. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Military Personnel Policy, Bill Carr, stated that the law would be “good for readiness” and would help to recruit “cream of the crop” students. The DREAM Act is part of the Department of Defense’s 2010-2012 Strategic Plan to assist the military in its recruiting efforts.
Yet, despite the popular support and extensive data that should make passage of the DREAM Act a no-brainer, there are those who continue to spread half-truths about it. Here’s a run down of some of the most typical myths and the facts that refute them.
WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MYTHS AND WHAT THE FACTS REALLY ARE VISIT:
http:///just-facts/dispelling- dream-act-myths
Stop your lies. You are hater and racist against America and the citizens
Do your research better

Claremont, CA

#28 Nov 28, 2010
Write your representatives and tell them no- It is amnesty. They and there families broke the law and have stolen enough. Through them out - Calderon isn't an American he is only a Mexican and should be thrown out for aiding and abetting illegals which is a felony.
Do your research better

Claremont, CA

#29 Nov 28, 2010
Arthur AMERICAN CITIZEN wrote:
....::::: STOP THE HATE, AND LETS BE GET TO REAL FACTS:::::.....
The DREAM Act—a popular proposal to provide legal status to undocumented youth who entered the U.S. as children, graduated from U.S. high schools, and attend college or enter the military—is the target of a smear campaign from anti-immigration hardliners. According to them, passage of the DREAM Act would cheat native-born students out of opportunities. This tired effort to pit immigrants and native-born—whether they are workers or students—against one another is not only destructive, but has no basis in fact. Moreover, it ignores the economic benefits that come from legalizing a group of talented, hard-working individuals who want nothing more than to contribute to America and repay the country for the opportunities they’ve been given.
Research has shown that providing a legal status for young people who have a proven record of success in the United States would be a boon to the economy and the U.S. workforce. University presidents and educational associations, as well as military recruiters, business and religious leaders, have added their voice to those calling for passage of the bill. The DREAM Act will help boost the number of high-skilled American-raised workers. A 2010 study by the UCLA North American Integration and Development Center estimates that the total earnings of DREAM Act beneficiaries over the course of their working lives would be between $1.4 trillion and $3.6 trillion. Removing the uncertainty of undocumented status allows legalized immigrants to earn higher wages and move into higher-paying occupations, and also encourages them to invest more in their own education, open bank accounts, buy homes, and start businesses.
The U.S. military also needs the DREAM Act. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Military Personnel Policy, Bill Carr, stated that the law would be “good for readiness” and would help to recruit “cream of the crop” students. The DREAM Act is part of the Department of Defense’s 2010-2012 Strategic Plan to assist the military in its recruiting efforts.
Yet, despite the popular support and extensive data that should make passage of the DREAM Act a no-brainer, there are those who continue to spread half-truths about it. Here’s a run down of some of the most typical myths and the facts that refute them.
WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MYTHS AND WHAT THE FACTS REALLY ARE VISIT:
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/d...
We don't need more skilled workers we have 20% unemployment from skilled workers we need enforcement only.
Do your research better

Claremont, CA

#30 Nov 28, 2010
Jerry Avila wrote:
TO MARK: They are earning it, is being giving to them as a reward for serving 3 years in the service. Defending the Country that we all love.
Right it is already an option without the Dream ACT so we don't need this amnesty.
Attorney

Corona, CA

#31 Nov 28, 2010
Lois wrote:
When I hear about the Dream Act being good for the economy, I think of California and L.A. If there were any place in the US that demonstrates the impact of illegal aliens on the economy, its California! They are going bankrupt! I also look at Bell, CA, which is a community that has over 50% illegal aliens. Sorry!
As far as the military is concerned, the US Army has EXCEEDED its recruitment goals for several years! Google it! Due to the economy, many young people are joining in order to feed their families. Recruiters are turning them away!!! This is a lie that they are needed in order to have a standing army. It is also an area in which US citizens will be competing with illegal aliens...
They say that these are poor kids, who, through no fault of their own...bla, bla, and that they this is the only country that they know. Not good enough! There are many instances of individuals, who, through no fault of their own. I think of our foster children, children of incarcerated parents, children from single parent homes.
We have given these children (age 35) a free K-12 education, free breakfast/lunch, medical, etc. This is quite an education considering the countries they come from. It should hold them in good stead when they return.
We have qualified Americans who are begging for jobs, we don't need another million "dreamers" thrown into the job market as well. Bad idea.
Most knew of their status long ago, the family is here because they are waiting for amnesty. I know there are those who hold advanced degrees, yet work at restaurants, etc. Thus the nature of being here illegally. We can't reward this. It would only encourage others to come and qualify under the same circumstances. We must have them go back and tell the story that it ain't worth it!
One of the things that they say is that Dreamers would only qualify for loans and College work Study. Welllll, how many of the loans will be repaid? It will be a while before we get the monies back, if ever. The College work study program is a program in which a limited amount of federal funds are given to colleges for students to earn as they learn. Dreamers say that they will work for these monies, however, due to the limited amount available, it takes away from citizen children, no matter how hard they work.
After a Dreamer turns 21, they can start a chain migration for their relatives, which turns into amnesty for all, including the parents who brought them.
Finally, there has never been an appreaciation for what they have already received. In spite of the health care, free meals, while receiving a free education, they have NEVER expressed appreciation. They have always come up with requesting more, more, more! I see these students telling us we are racist red necks if we don't agree with them (I'm black). They have never acknowledged nor justified why they deserve to move ahead of those who have struggled and respected our laws. They have never spoken out against those who walk on, spit on, and try to burn the American flag, while waving the Mexican flag. I could go on and on. There are many who are suffering hardships, get over it, turn to the parents who brought you here for a solution.
P.S., I don't believe that they can't speak the language, it is ALWAYS spoken in their home. Usually they serve as translators for the parents who brought them here and refuse to learn the language. No, no, no! Dream Act!
What exactly do you mean by chain migration? At this time, anyone in this country legally can sponsor individuals to come into this country LEGALLY. That means, if I have relatives in other countries, I can petition for them to come to the U.S. so long as I can prove I can financially support them. Further, this process takes years and years to happen given our current immigration system. Last, by opposing this bill, your argument is that it should not pass in order to avoid what you call "chain migration" It appears you are against legal migration too
BajaRat

United States

#32 Nov 28, 2010
matt munson wrote:
As long as we tighten up our borders as a trade for passing the DREAM Act then I would find it sensible. If there is no tightening of our borders or banning undocumented newcommers or anyone after the year 2015 from the public schools and other aid then the DREAM Act should sink.
You must have failed to notice that the U.S. government is even more corrupt than the Mexicans. We have a single-party system run by lying globalist vermin who have no intention of securing the borders and enforcing existing laws. The so-called DREAM Act amounts to a monstrous back door amnesty, plain and simple. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You obviously learned nothing from the 1986 amnesty travesty, pal. You trade NOTHING with a corrupt government in order to entice them to do the jobs they are bound by the Constitution to do.
Tori

San Bernardino, CA

#33 Nov 28, 2010
I hope this translates to this site, if not:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd...

SEC. 10. HIGHER EDUCATION ASSISTANCE.
Notwithstanding any provision of the Higher Education Act of 1965 ( et seq.) or any provision of title IV of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 ( et seq.), with respect to Federal financial education assistance, an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence under this Act and has not had the conditional basis removed shall not be eligible for--
(1) Federal Pell grants under part A of title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 ( et seq.); and
(2) Federal supplemental educational opportunity grants under part A of title IV of that Act ( et seq.).

I don't care how you paint this act, it's going to cost, every American, taxpayer dollars. Are there any standards as to what courses would qualify the "alien" under this legislation? No! I would guess that Ethnic (Raza) Studies would qualify them; THAT ought to help our economy! Since when have our government agencies, ever followed the laws, and legislation, that are passed, effectively? They are known to "expedite" processes, and show no accountability for their actions.

The so-called representatives have one objective, staying in power. The elected have proven time, and time again they do not care what the majority of Americans want, they ignore us. For those of you who object to this legislation, call, call, and call again, to show your objections to this costly act.
For information, talking points, and phone numbers, this is a good source:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/
Stop The Illegal Politics

United States

#34 Nov 28, 2010
U.S citizens take back your country before you all loose it to illegal criminals... Join us at USMOA.ORG now!!!
Abernathy Darwin-Dunlap

Chino, CA

#35 Nov 28, 2010
Why are they discounting college tuition for illegals right after raising tuition fees for LEGAL CITIZENS by a whopping 30%...?
Old White Man

Victorville, CA

#36 Nov 28, 2010
Carl wrote:
What does sealing the Border have to do with children brought here by their parents years ago that finished high-school and know the usa as their only home? These students want to contribute to society, they want to pay taxes, they want to get a degree! What's wrong with that? The bill states that they will not be eligible for financial aids and Pell Grants...so this bill is not taking anything away from any US citizen student. These people came here to better their life. How can you be a criminal for wanting a better life for your family? Put yourself in their shoes!
Because they broke the law they do not deserve any special treatment.
Legal Ace

Chino, CA

#37 Nov 28, 2010
Do your research better wrote:
Write your representatives and tell them no- It is amnesty. They and there families broke the law and have stolen enough. Through them out - Calderon isn't an American he is only a Mexican and should be thrown out for aiding and abetting illegals which is a felony.
YOU should do more research- Aiding & abetting illegal aliens is NOT a felony, and neither is entering this country illegally, although both SHOULD be...

“Retired ”

Since: Mar 09

Tucson, Az, El Paso Tx,

#38 Nov 28, 2010
Marc wrote:
The DREAM Act should only be for those that complete three years of honorable active duty US miltary service (just like the French Foreign Legion gives French citizenship to anyone who joined for three years). US citizenship should be earned, not given away.
US Law already has citizenship path for Military Members, The Dream Act is "Kabookie T heather" pandering to get and keep votes for the progressives, eg. government gives, government takes, doesn't sound like a free deal to me, but you have to admit its 30 times better then the Mexican Department of Education has offered anyone, Que no?

0 Things You Need To Know About The Dream Act
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Although I have certainly expressed support for some kind of guest worker program for illegal aliens, I do NOT support the Dream Act. The Democrats would have you believe that it's just about allowing young people whose parents brought them here illegally to become citizens. But don't buy it.

Senator Jeff Sessions lays it out:

1. The DREAM Act is NOT limited to children, and it will be funded on the backs of hard working, law-abiding Americans.

2. The DREAM Act PROVIDES SAFE HARBOR FOR ANY ALIEN, including criminals, from being removed or deported if they simply submit an application.

3. Certain criminal aliens will be eligible for amnesty under the DREAM Act.

4. Estimates suggest that at least 2.1 million illegal aliens will be eligible for the DREAM Act amnesty. In reality, we have no idea how many illegal aliens will apply.

5. Illegal aliens will get in-state tuition benefits.

6. The DREAM Act does not require that an illegal alien finish any type of degree (vocational, two-year, or bachelor's degree) as a condition of amnesty.

7. The DREAM Act does not require that an illegal alien serve in the military as a condition for amnesty, and there is already a legal process in place for illegal aliens to obtain U.S. citizenship through military service.

8. Despite their current illegal status, DREAM Act aliens will be given all the rights that legal immigrants receive -- including the legal right to sponsor their parents and extended family members for immigration.

9. Current illegal aliens will get federal student loans, federal work study programs, and other forms of federal financial aid.

10. DHS is prohibited from using the information provided by illegal aliens whose DREAM Act amnesty applications are denied to initiate their removal proceedings or investigate or prosecute fraud in the application process.

(emphasis mine)
Old White Man

Victorville, CA

#39 Nov 28, 2010
"the DREAM Act would affect young people who were brought to the United States illegally as children, have demonstrated good moral character and meet a series of requirements."

If they wanted to show good moral character, they would have turned themselves in for being an illegal. Voluntary deportation is the only way to show good moral character for these law breakers.
Old White Man

Victorville, CA

#40 Nov 28, 2010
Legal Ace wrote:
<quoted text>YOU should do more research- Aiding & abetting illegal aliens is NOT a felony, and neither is entering this country illegally, although both SHOULD be...
That's right dude. It is only a misdemeanor to enter illegally. However, once deported and then returning illegally becomes a felony.
Guy

Ontario, CA

#41 Nov 28, 2010
We do not need the dream act, we need to deport all of these ILLEGALS once and for all
Remove Bishop Barnes

Apple Valley, CA

#42 Nov 28, 2010
The Dream Act would reward unlawful behavior, and on that basis alone should be rejected. The Catholic Diocese of San Bernardino has supported this legislation. This support has included lobbying by a priest who the Diocese claimed was under "Suspension" after being charged with pedophilia. If the Diocese continues to attempt influencing legislation, then it's tax-exempt status should be revoked.

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