Measure CL verdict debates

Measure CL verdict debates

There are 42 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Nov 8, 2010, titled Measure CL verdict debates. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

Supporters of the city's failed $95 million bond measure said the loss in the polls was probably due to the state of the economy, but opponents were not so sure.

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Raymon

Monrovia, CA

#1 Nov 8, 2010
What happened to all the money that the Democrats gave the school in the so called stimulus package and then the another 16 billon the state got for the schools. if yoy need any more that get it from the unions don't ask the taxpayers any more you have to budget for the schools long term not just for a year at a time.
Not a Fan of CL

Cambridge, MA

#2 Nov 8, 2010
The needs were not clearly defined...
CUSD lied to us last time...
The current bond was promising the same things the earlier bond promised..and didn't deliver!
Claremont continues to value education but were not stupid......
Claremont worker

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#3 Nov 9, 2010
All you supporters of Measure CL can still show your support. Since you voted for the tax NOTHING is stopping you from writing an annual check for the same amount to the Claremont Unified School District you would have been taxed if measure CL had passed.

Go ahead, you wanted to pay more "for the kids" so put your money where your vote was and start paying now, and save our schools...its for the kids!

If all you supporters don't voluntarily each write a check every year, you are all a bunch of hypocrties!
JackMehoff

United States

#4 Nov 9, 2010
School districts waste money. Hardworking citizens, if you are lucky enough to have a job, do not have the money for the school district to waste and misuse. We have to live with less money and save for improvements. Schools and all government should have to also!!!
allenjames

Canoga Park, CA

#5 Nov 9, 2010
It time that Claremont Unified start standing on their own two feet, start cutting cost and use the savings to repair the schools, Let the teachers union put up the money they just wasted a ton of money on supporting the bond measure let them pitch in and help out the kids seeing that the it's all about the kids. The only one that lost on Nov. 2 was the unions, as for the last bond measure I guess that was not enough for the unions.
John Galt

Claremont, CA

#6 Nov 9, 2010
The authorities at CUSD were asked repeatedly for a breakdown of the costs that totaled to $95M but they were unable or unwilling to do so as required by law.

And did you know that the $45 was just an estimate - it could have been much more!

And how would you like to pay additional taxes every year for the rest of your life (probably) to educate a large portion of children who are from other school district.
LBS41

Walnut, CA

#7 Nov 9, 2010
It's never about the kids, It's always about the unions.
Tired Taxpayer

Ojai, CA

#8 Nov 9, 2010
What happened to the funds from the 2000 bond measure? They were supposed to fix the leaky roofs with them.

Who in their right mind would take out a 20 year loan to buy technology? The technology advances so rapidly that in 5 years what you bought is totally obsolete. But you still have
15 more years of loan repayment. This is stupid and irresponsible.
All American

Upland, CA

#9 Nov 9, 2010
If you've paid attention to the editorials and comments, the district will need to address the following issues to ever pass a bond:

Added personal financial burden/The economy
Previous Bond issues
Inter-district transfer students
Clearly defined bond uses

The people have spoken...
JackMehoff

United States

#10 Nov 9, 2010
We need less money spent on public education in general. We need a voucher system and less unionization!!
Not a Fan of CL

Cambridge, MA

#11 Nov 9, 2010
My favorite post from one of the earlier articles stated that we could spend money on the kids or prisons it was our choice! As if not passing this bond would all of a sudden cause our Claremont kids to turn to a life of crime. LOL
Claremonter

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Nov 9, 2010
We are taxed too much already. Teachers unions in California have made it impossible to educate kids in this state. Less tax money for schools. More hardworking teachers if that is possible. The union thug teachers are lazy.
Claremont Teacher

Hesperia, CA

#13 Nov 9, 2010
allenjames wrote:
It time that Claremont Unified start standing on their own two feet, start cutting cost and use the savings to repair the schools, Let the teachers union put up the money they just wasted a ton of money on supporting the bond measure let them pitch in and help out the kids seeing that the it's all about the kids. The only one that lost on Nov. 2 was the unions, as for the last bond measure I guess that was not enough for the unions.
The Claremont Faculty Association did not put up one dollar in support of the bond. They applied to the California Teachers Association Political Action Committee, which routinely supports bond measures. That money comes out of separate fund that teachers and others voluntarily contribute to. The CTA PAC contributed $1,500 to the Yes campaign. Get your facts straight.
Claremont Teacher

Hesperia, CA

#14 Nov 9, 2010
Claremonter wrote:
We are taxed too much already. Teachers unions in California have made it impossible to educate kids in this state. Less tax money for schools. More hardworking teachers if that is possible. The union thug teachers are lazy.
Who are these Union Thugs that you talk about and what exactly did they do wrong? Be specific please.
JackMehoff

United States

#15 Nov 10, 2010
I will speak for Claremonter!! The union thug teachers are the ones, especially in Claremont, that whine and complain about everything and want more and more and more of our tax money. Theses union thugs support poor teaching methods and unqualified teachers through regulations that the balance of the working pwople do not have. I could go on and on and on, but any intelligent person knows what I am saying. The union thugs are not for kids. They are for teachers!!
Claremont Parent

Claremont, CA

#16 Nov 10, 2010
Jack,

Do you live in Claremont? Do you know what goes on in our schools and with our teachers association? If so, please be specific about what "poor teaching methods" does the Claeremont Faculty Association advocate for. What regulations has the Claremont Faculty Association pushed support that leads to poor teachers in Claremont? You throw out accusations and need to back them up.
John Galt

Encino, CA

#17 Nov 10, 2010
How many are aware that the scandalous book High School Confidential is based on Claremont High. It is an eyeopening undercover look at CUSD. They fired the Superintendent over it - not what was going on, but that she let the guy in as a teacher.
Claremonter

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Nov 10, 2010
Claremont Parent wrote:
Jack,
Do you live in Claremont? Do you know what goes on in our schools and with our teachers association? If so, please be specific about what "poor teaching methods" does the Claeremont Faculty Association advocate for. What regulations has the Claremont Faculty Association pushed support that leads to poor teachers in Claremont? You throw out accusations and need to back them up.
Lets begin with those protected by tenure that care only about how many few minutes they put in, how much they are paid, holidays, vacation days off and tenure, tenure, tenure, tenure, tenure and more tenure!!
Claremont Teacher

Hesperia, CA

#19 Nov 10, 2010
Claremonter wrote:
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Lets begin with those protected by tenure that care only about how many few minutes they put in, how much they are paid, holidays, vacation days off and tenure, tenure, tenure, tenure, tenure and more tenure!!
First of all, it is not "tenure." There is no such thing for K-12 teachers. Tenure is a concept used in colleges.

In California we have what is called "permanent status." What that means is that during the first two years of teaching in a District, the District may terminate a teacher at anytime and does not give a reason. After two years of teaching, the District has a choice on whether or not to give the teacher permanent status. After that, the District must show cause for termination. The hurdles to do so are not gigantic as some in the media have portrayed. Having worked in Claremont for many years, I can assure you that teachers with poor evaluations are told that they are being considered for termination and the vast majority at that point leave. Some decide to contest it, and the job of the union is then to assure that due process is followed. If proper procedures have been followed by the District, then a termination will take place. If there is a strong case against the teacher and the "writing is on the wall," then I have seen teachers resign at that point. Rarely does a teacher fight it all the way through the whole legal process. If that happens, then the union will again assure that all due process rights are upheld.

The job of the union in cases of termination is not defend bad teachers, but to assure that things are done properly. That conforms to our country's principles of justice.
JackMehoff

United States

#20 Nov 11, 2010
Your statement appears to be absolutely incorrect. The job of the union in cases of termination appears to be to defend lazy and incompetent teachers, and to assure that everything is done by the union thugs to pretect the incompetent teachers job. This country's principles of justice are not, in any way, to protect the incompetent and guilty.

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