Reasons to oppose Measure CL

Reasons to oppose Measure CL

There are 20 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Sep 28, 2010, titled Reasons to oppose Measure CL. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

After spending hours on the Internet, making phone calls and trying to decipher what we can expect Measure CL to bring us, I really have nothing to show for it, except for a spreadsheet dotted with check marks and a flier I got from parents night at Condit.

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Not a Claremonster

Long Beach, CA

#1 Sep 29, 2010
This NO on CL campaign may have moved me from voting no to voting yes, just so I won't be associated even in my own mind with the simplistic anti-tax people behind it. OK, we all get it: You don't want to pay any taxes. Fine. Vote no. But stop insinuating that the school district has somehow mismanaged funds. You just don't want to pay any more for public schools. Just state it and be done with it. You don't have to make up any other reasons to justify your vote.
I have opposed it because I don't think we need more and more technology, and because so many of our students come from outside the district, and their families wouldn't pay this tax. So there's a fairness issue at stake. But I strongly disagree with this NO on CL campaign's efforts to accuse and demonize the good people who run the district and teach children. Even if I disagree with some of the district's academic priorities, I do believe they're trying to do what's right by children (and yes, even the environment -- saving energy isn't just about saving money, but about doing what's right).
Taxes are how we get things done for the collective good. Maybe I am a YES on CL vote, after all.
Claremont Resident

Claremont, CA

#2 Sep 29, 2010
Not a Claremonster wrote:
This NO on CL campaign may have moved me from voting no to voting yes, just so I won't be associated even in my own mind with the simplistic anti-tax people behind it. OK, we all get it: You don't want to pay any taxes. Fine. Vote no. But stop insinuating that the school district has somehow mismanaged funds. You just don't want to pay any more for public schools. Just state it and be done with it. You don't have to make up any other reasons to justify your vote.
I have opposed it because I don't think we need more and more technology, and because so many of our students come from outside the district, and their families wouldn't pay this tax. So there's a fairness issue at stake. But I strongly disagree with this NO on CL campaign's efforts to accuse and demonize the good people who run the district and teach children. Even if I disagree with some of the district's academic priorities, I do believe they're trying to do what's right by children (and yes, even the environment -- saving energy isn't just about saving money, but about doing what's right).
Taxes are how we get things done for the collective good. Maybe I am a YES on CL vote, after all.
Agreed. The debate needs to be taken to higher level. Let's talk issues, not inuendos.
Taxpayer

Hesperia, CA

#3 Sep 29, 2010
I am a taxpayer and am tired of my money going to Sacramento and just getting wasted. That is why I am glad to support this local bond. I am at work right now on break, and just read the article in the paper and jumped online. I have lived in Claremont since 1992, south of the 10 Freeway.(Yes, there is some Claremont there.)

This bond would give us local control of our money to support our schools. I don't want the money going up to Sacramento. Measure CL keeps my tax money where it belongs, in Claremont.

Vote yes on Measure CL. Support our schools!
Claremont Mom

Ojai, CA

#4 Oct 2, 2010
I will be voting no on this measure. The district has proven it can't manage money. We still owe millions and millions and millions of dollars on the last bond we past and what do we have to show for 46 MILLION dollars? There are many concerned Claremonters that will volunteer time, resources and money to get a theater built, just ask, there are many that will donate their time and resources for any project, we are a community full of talent and resources. instead of asking for a hand out from the hard hit taxpayers, why not take to the airwaves with project where people can help?
No Bell For Claremont

AOL

#5 Oct 2, 2010
Ninety Five MILLION dollars… that is a lot of money and a lot of taxes. Should our children,once they are adults, ultimately choose to live in Claremont, would bear the brunt of this Bond for decades. We must take a hard, objective look at what is on the table, and the historical record of past bond measures. How were they managed? Were they successfully managed, and if not, why not.
In this economically challenged time, we must separate the needs from the wants. So let us take a look back before we look forward. Measure Y; $49 MILLION dollars – some of that money was used to renovate the high school office, not once but 3 times: how did that “help our children”? It either proves a lack of competency in proper planning or a lack of responsible spending of funds.
Of the projects that were earmarked for Measure Y, only 50% were completed yet 100% of the money was spent There remains an outstanding debt to pay off the bonds that were passed and issued under Measure Y.

Let us now move to the present: Measure CL. You should be aware that should Measure CL pass, the outstanding debt of Measure Y will be paid with funds from Measure CL; The outstanding debt of a Bond passed in 1994 will be paid for by funds from CL. Now, those funds that were earmarked to pay the debt of both Measure Y and the Bond of 1994 will not go to facilities maintenance or upkeep, but will be diverted to teacher and administrative salaries and benefits.(An expenditure that is prohibited from funds from a Bond). So the shell game commences. Transparency, no, this diverting funds, plain and simple.

I also must question why a contract with the CFA (Teachers Union) stipulates that the Union and presumably its members, must support any bond measure the District authorizes.(Latest contract between the CUSD and the Teachers Union). Should not the teachers have freedom of choice?

Am I saying there is mis-management, no I am saying there are enough questions without answers, and too many plans to move money that on first glance lend themselves to scrutiny. The CUSD, and the oversight committee owes the citizens of Claremont, clear and honest answers to the above.

I urge all Claremont voters to take out the magnifying glass before you take out your checkbook.. passing Measure CL is a blank check, giving the CUSD authority to spend over the next 15 years. Protect our children, it is your responsibility... until CUSD has a comprehensive plan in detail that has no "back door" expenditures, they have not earned my trust, and I am compelled to Vote NO on CL.
Claremont resident

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#6 Oct 3, 2010
Claremont Mom wrote:
I will be voting no on this measure. The district has proven it can't manage money. We still owe millions and millions and millions of dollars on the last bond we past and what do we have to show for 46 MILLION dollars? There are many concerned Claremonters that will volunteer time, resources and money to get a theater built, just ask, there are many that will donate their time and resources for any project, we are a community full of talent and resources. instead of asking for a hand out from the hard hit taxpayers, why not take to the airwaves with project where people can help?
With all due respect, how many school board meetings have you attended? Have you really understood the depth of this topic? And,by the way, we (that includes you, if you voted) elected the people on the school board that we trusted to guide our schools. So in a way they are doing what you told them to do. Once you understand the details you can only have two choices. One, is to hope for handouts from Sacramento or Two, let's get independant and do it ourselves. PS: voluteers are great but they are not enough to handle the entire maintenance and upkeep of all the buildings.
claremont local

Claremont, CA

#7 Oct 3, 2010
Claremont Mom wrote:
I will be voting no on this measure. The district has proven it can't manage money. We still owe millions and millions and millions of dollars on the last bond we past and what do we have to show for 46 MILLION dollars? There are many concerned Claremonters that will volunteer time, resources and money to get a theater built, just ask, there are many that will donate their time and resources for any project, we are a community full of talent and resources. instead of asking for a hand out from the hard hit taxpayers, why not take to the airwaves with project where people can help?
Please note that they recieved additional 36,000,000 from fed matching funds. a total of aprox 75,000,000 was spend- we still owe 39,000,000 + interest for 20 years
claremont local

Claremont, CA

#8 Oct 3, 2010
CL bond 95,000,000 with 6% interest (going rate for school bonds) will burden claremont homeowners with 205,000,000 for 30 years. that is 6,800,000 per year in interest/prin. all this to pay for maintenance,upkeep and upgrading classroom equipment that has been ignored in the general budget for past 10 years. bonds are not for upkeep and maintenance they are for building and major projects that need substantial monies to complete in short period. Nothing listed by CUSD falls under this.
Claremonter

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Oct 3, 2010
I am against the measure CL. Claremont has enough as it is. I saw what Measure Y funded... New doors for all the classrooms. Why? I'm not quite sure. The new doors have windows in them that the teachers cover. Hmmmm. What was wrong with the old ones? Also, a new telephone system was installed with a voice mail system that is so cumbersome to use that the teachers themselves ask me not to use it because they can't seem to figure it out to retreive their messages. What a waste of our money!!

Now the schools want more money? The money from Measure Y was used inappropriately and there are no guaratees that this money will be used appropriately either. I am voting NO!!!
North Claremonter

Ojai, CA

#10 Oct 3, 2010
Yes I have been to CUSD board meeting and viewed their elaborate setup to only scratch my head wondering WHY DO WE VALUE prestige over education and providing for our children? If anyone in this string has never been to a board meeting, PLEASE GO TO JUST 1 and look at the beauty that surrounds our CUSD board....you will be floored.

Yes I have read my property tax bill to discover I am paying $76/100k assessed and now I am being asked to increase my payment by another 60%...in today's economy...absurd, disrespectful, and insensitive!

For all those that are saying "Yes" when will you ever be able to say "No"? How many CUSD bonds must I pay on my property tax bill until you are satisfied? If you are always going to say "Yes" to the bond de jour, then would you please pay my property tax bill?

Voting NO on CL November 2nd.....
Claremont South

AOL

#11 Oct 3, 2010
Let's cut to the chase. Measure Y- 49 Million, Measure G- 121 Million- and now there is Measure C/L-95 Million! I'm starting that the only thing that's "For The Children" is a huge debt! I think its time we say time out! Let's see if Our school District can show measurable improvement in our student test scores using the funds They have already been given, then We'll talk about "Reasonable " increases. Residents in Claremont has had to find ways to tighten there belt. Show us You understand Our Sacrifice that We make for Our Children, then We'll talk about increases in funding . I understand that this debt Your proposing won't be paid off until the year 2060! And if history is any indicator of what's to come, I suspect there will be another bond measure right down the road, We'll call it " Measure B/S. Voting NO on CL November 2nd.
Claremont west

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Oct 4, 2010
Both of my kids attended claremont schools. i support them as best as i can. but this has gone way too far. the first call i received told me the new tax would be based on the price i paid for my house when i bought it which has lost one half it's value. that's crazy. a little over a year ago Sacramento passed the largest tax increase in the history of our nation. Next January the Bush tax cuts will expire and all our taxes will go up. Yesterday i got a slick flyer on measure CL that mentioned nothing about a tax increase. Nothing! About 10 minutes ago i got another call urging me to support the measure. when i tried to take the caller to task she got huffy and ended the call. People we have to defeat this measure. it is going to be terrible for Claremont if it passes. Please, if anyone is organizing a phone bank or mailers or anything, contact me i'll donate my time to help. there is not much time left. The looters are after us and they must be stopped.
At Work Right Now

Hesperia, CA

#13 Oct 5, 2010
Claremont resident wrote:
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With all due respect, how many school board meetings have you attended? Have you really understood the depth of this topic? And,by the way, we (that includes you, if you voted) elected the people on the school board that we trusted to guide our schools. So in a way they are doing what you told them to do. Once you understand the details you can only have two choices. One, is to hope for handouts from Sacramento or Two, let's get independant and do it ourselves. PS: voluteers are great but they are not enough to handle the entire maintenance and upkeep of all the buildings.
Well said. We need to take control of our fiscal destiny. Measure CL will help us in Claremont to do this.
Dislike Socialists

Claremont, CA

#14 Oct 5, 2010
You can whine all you want, but the reality is, other cities are not fleecing their residents like The Peoples Republic of Claremont is.....Covina Unified isnt having to request this. Bonita Unified isnt either. Why here in Claremont do we have to see this? The entire district should be restructured and if people lose jobs so be it. Too much behind the scenes crap in this city.
Claremont West

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Oct 6, 2010
Dislike Socialists wrote:
You can whine all you want, but the reality is, other cities are not fleecing their residents like The Peoples Republic of Claremont is.....Covina Unified isnt having to request this. Bonita Unified isnt either. Why here in Claremont do we have to see this? The entire district should be restructured and if people lose jobs so be it. Too much behind the scenes crap in this city.
Their solution is always more, more more. It's time for them to live within their means just like the rest of us. Times are hard. We have to make the tough choices. Claremont schools need to make the tough choices also. Raising taxes in a recession is just bad policy. No on Measure CL!
Claremont Resident

Claremont, CA

#16 Oct 6, 2010
Dislike Socialists wrote:
You can whine all you want, but the reality is, other cities are not fleecing their residents like The Peoples Republic of Claremont is.....Covina Unified isnt having to request this. Bonita Unified isnt either. Why here in Claremont do we have to see this? The entire district should be restructured and if people lose jobs so be it. Too much behind the scenes crap in this city.
Bonita has passed two bond already. Arcadia 3 and the list goes on. To stay competitive you need to put out the best team. Money is a major factor. That is the way it goes.
Voter and Taxpayer

Hesperia, CA

#17 Oct 11, 2010
No Bell For Claremont wrote:
I also must question why a contract with the CFA (Teachers Union) stipulates that the Union and presumably its members, must support any bond measure the District authorizes.(Latest contract between the CUSD and the Teachers Union). Should not the teachers have freedom of choice?
The Claremont Faculty Association voted overwhelmingly (88% to 12%) for the provisions in the Tentative Agreement. The teachers did have freedom of choice and voted to affirm the tentative agreement.
The Association agreed to support the bond, but in no way does that mean that every member must somehow follow "the party line." Most teachers do support Measure CL. If fact the elected representative council, of which I am a member, voted unanimously back in September to support Measure CL. Some members do not support Measure CL. That is their choice and we respect that.
Bruce Mayclin Claremont

Ojai, CA

#18 Oct 20, 2010
You have got to be kidding to pass this SPENDIING MEASURE in the worst recession since the great depression in insanity. There is no oversight and 10 million of the bond will be used to pay off the debt on the ill fated measure Y. 20 per cent of the students attending Claremont schools do not even LIVE in Claremont and have no vested interest and pay no taxes in the city.Since it is incremental, the real cost is not 95 million but closed to 250 million dollars.

Have the people at the Daily Buelletin lost their mind? Contrators are not busy now because some people have the sanity to not spend money they don"t have available.
Living in Claremont

Claremont, CA

#19 Oct 25, 2010
Claremont Resident wrote:
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Bonita has passed two bond already. Arcadia 3 and the list goes on. To stay competitive you need to put out the best team. Money is a major factor. That is the way it goes.
Well said. The facts are the facts. Others have done it. There students are benefiting. We need to pass Measure CL.
Publius Sanctus

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Nov 1, 2010
Interesting resolution to the local failing educational system. More taxes!! Maybe you should look at the root cause of the situation. Who manages the budget? Where has money been spent since the last tax increase?
Giving more money to inept educational officials and unions is not the right answer. Maybe you should hit the reset button and privatize this entire educational venture. You will get better results and increased transparency; and teachers will get paid more.. substantially more..
Stop treating you homes equity as a means to re-distribute wealth. Fix the problem and eliminate those who are the root cause. You will have a better outcome both financially and spiritually.

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