Money alone can't solve school predicament

Full story: San Bernardino County Sun

Some local educators are calling President Barack Obama's call for a longer school year easier said than done.

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Ms Smith

Wrightwood, CA

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#2
Oct 4, 2010
 
This call for additional school days is just another way for parents to place more responsibility of raising their children on the government. I would hope to think that most parents would want to minimize the exposure of their children to state curriculum., and keep their independence. However, California's female populations have a new attitude - entitlement and dependency - sad.
There is no cure for social ills walking in the classroom door, and this state is plagued.
AO Teacher

San Bernardino, CA

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#3
Oct 4, 2010
 
So does BO want a longer school year to benefit students, or to provide free daycare for school age children? The Feds need to butt out of education. Time to read and follow the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution!
Doc Holliday

Los Angeles, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
That will mean the teachers, oops, I mean educators, will have to work longer than 3/4 of a year. I can hear the whining now. More money for this already over-paid occupation. Include merit/pay for performance compensation and weed out the mediocre tenured individuals.
ridiculous

Yucaipa, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Adding more days does not fix a broken system. As Einstein said, insantiy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Therefore, having a white-washed, stripped down version of education (that way it appeal to policy makers and special interest groups) and just testing students (constantly) in lower-level skills and knowledge- and now proposing to add more hours of this practice- is insanity. What we need is deeper learning- depth not bredth, and to model IB style learning and 21st century skills style learning in our classrooms.
SB Resident

San Bernardino, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
From a non-educator who happens to care about education:

While "Doc Holliday" is just plain ignorant and should be ignored, Ms. Smith makes a great point. We continue to throw money at education and every little program that might increase test scores, very little is said about the devaluation of the American family. This is the much deeper, yet more accurate root of the problem.

Don't believe me? Look up states where the family unit is strongest (lowest divorce rate ...etc). Notice that because education is also emphasized, those states can spend far less on education and yet stay far above the national average.

We've got drive-ins and drive thru's for our convenience. We've now applied that same attitude to education - the "drop-off theory". "If I drop my kid off at school, he should come out educated. That leaves more time for ME."

If it doesn't work, blame the teachers.
In Want of Change Chino

Chino, CA

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#7
Oct 4, 2010
 
How true ridiculous!
Bill

Redlands, CA

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#8
Oct 4, 2010
 
The government can't buy kids better parents.
selena

San Bernardino, CA

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#9
Oct 4, 2010
 
we should have more school days
SBGrapevine

Hesperia, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Supervisor Mitzelfelt is the ballot author of the argument in favor of Prop. 23......For more local, state, county, and federal political news, please visit www.sbgrapevine.com
Doubter

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Doc Holliday wrote:
That will mean the teachers, oops, I mean educators, will have to work longer than 3/4 of a year. I can hear the whining now. More money for this already over-paid occupation. Include merit/pay for performance compensation and weed out the mediocre tenured individuals.
There are a few local college/universities where you can get your teaching credential. You should sign up. Then you could make all that money for only working part of the year.
Rufus T Firefly

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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#12
Oct 4, 2010
 
An extra month would probably not make a whole lot of difference with high school aged kids. Many of them have the intelligent level of a "hubcap" and extra instruction time would not bring about the results that many might hope for. Secondly, how do you pay for the extra time? again it is DC ready and willing to spend money without any ability to pay for such a proposal.
Cindy Lou

Rising Sun, MD

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#13
Oct 4, 2010
 
Cut out the unnecessary expenses ... un needed administrators, directors, facilitators, etc. There are so many highly paid people in school systems that are just not needed to teach kids. If a teacher gets a match book D.Ed. he's got a lifetime coushy job with great pay and bennies.

Cut expensive sports and start with football.
Disgusted

San Bernardino, CA

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#14
Oct 4, 2010
 
Hey Doc,
Why don't you walk a school year in an educator's shoes. Then and only then can you complain that they are overpaid. I am so tired of people who won't work in the field of education putting their two cents in on pay and benefits. I work my backside off day after day, and not because of the money, but because I love what I do! I could get a job with my degree in another field for more money, but I don't because I am making a difference. I am so tired of the ignorance and hatred of educators, when half of the complainers don't have a clue of how the job of an educator does not stop at the end of the school day. Grow up!
USA Eagle

Yucaipa, CA

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#15
Oct 4, 2010
 
Typical socialist AH leader, longer school days with a mixture of military duty then off to the goverment camps. Whats next all students will wear uniforms and all look alike with obambo the clown tat's on their chest. Sounds like a hitler re-run to me.
the skinny

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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#16
Oct 4, 2010
 
Longer days would be a good option, at least to start with, perhaps more days later. Use the additional time to allow students to do homework that would cement what they learned that day. I do think that more effort on "critical and creative thinking" would be worth the effort. All that we are doing now is creating auto-bots that can read, write and do basic math. Those that have that creative gene are actually not celebrated but squelched. Where will the inventions come from?
Ontario Parent

Claremont, CA

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Oct 4, 2010
 
Doc Holliday wrote:
That will mean the teachers, oops, I mean educators, will have to work longer than 3/4 of a year. I can hear the whining now. More money for this already over-paid occupation. Include merit/pay for performance compensation and weed out the mediocre tenured individuals.
You can hear the whining now? Did you read the article? Joe Tonan, the President of a local chapter of the California Teachers Association said, "we would look at other models in other countries where they have less hours during the day but more days throughout the year and how we structure it." In other words, they would look at a longer year, but less hours per day as most countries around the world have. That would leave afternoons off for teachers to plan with other teachers and see what works best.

Teachers go into teaching to help children. Respect that.
Watch Dog

San Bernardino, CA

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#18
Oct 4, 2010
 
Get the Feds completely OUT of public education. Dismantle the Federal Department of Education. Put the power back to the individual states and locals. You want test scores to skyrocket? Put discipline back in the schools. Kids don't need to attend more days! Get the toublemakers out of the public schools--put'em in a lockdown facility where they belong--and the "good" kids will learn without having to add any days! Guaranteed.
Angela

United States

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Oct 4, 2010
 
USA Eagle,seriously paranoid. Been to any of those re-education camps? No because they don't exist. As for the school uniform blather. Where have you been School uniforms have been the norm for at least 20 years.

Yes there should be a longer school year. Yes it should be year around. Kids are not needed to "bring in the crops" anymore. Americans are falling behind educationally. They know less, have fewer critical thinking skills, and are increasinly unable to compete. Teachers do what they can but with about 1/2 the year in school kids are not learning what they will need to know to compete.

If Ms Smith is so worried about the public schools I suggest she home school her kids and see if she can do better.

I do agree with cut the expensive sports. School is supposed to be about education not snitching educational money for sports to showcase a few players at the educational expense of all of them. The kids want to play sports, fin set up leagues OUTSIDE school.

SB resident, the problem is that Americans do not value education for their kids, no we do not throw money at education. In fact we now spend less in inflation adjusted dollars than we did for most of the last 100 years. Yes schools are top heavy with adminstrators. But the notion that kids can learn as well with no textbooks to take home and study has saved a lot of money but resulted in kids who learn well. Tests do not actually educate kids. Just testing more does nothing to educate the kids.
1km Sniper

Montgomery, AL

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#20
Oct 4, 2010
 
I doubt any parent in SB-doo doo can sit down with their kid and help them with their homework. Let us try some Algebra first, then go into US History, then how to hot-wire a car to steal! That's the mentality of the average SB doo doo resident.
ponce

San Bernardino, CA

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#21
Oct 4, 2010
 
we have enough school days we should have at least two hours more but no more days. kids need to rest their brain

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