Whittier could face lawsuit over lease with Matrix Oil Co.

City and Los Angeles County officials have divided over the meaning of a 1992 parcel tax, which supplied money to purchase the Whittier, on how money might have to be shared from revenue from a proposal to drill oil in the Whittier hills. Full Story
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ole Bob

Downey, CA

#1 Oct 17, 2010
These poeple are wasting their time. The city owns the land, and the minerals there under.

The fact that voters approved the bond issue has nothing to do with the city ownership of the minerals. They do have a marginal interest in the surface of the land, but not the actual use of each square foot.

Before you start waving selected paragraphs from agreements that porport to show an alternate view, I invite your attention to centuries of common law, case law, rights of mineral owners. They are not the same as the rights held by surface owners. Just as you own the airspace above your real property, you are not free to deny access to it as you can with the surface.

I calculate the reserve as capable of producing 100 million of revenue per year. With that kind of cash flow at stake, the community of wealth and power that is whipping the ponies and training the dogs at the city will not hesitate to steam roller any group or Ivory Tower Claremont lawyers that get in the way.

If we can move matrix, Helvey, Jones, Nordbak, and MacFarlane to the side the city can once again be a desirable place to live. Money can buy happiness....look at Disneyland!
leonard

Whittier, CA

#2 Oct 18, 2010
The first paragraph is not very clear in the Whittier/ Matrix Oil story . Please do a better job telling your story.Who what when how is a rule of journalism and clear. please read closely.
Zach

Pico Rivera, CA

#3 Oct 18, 2010
The ponies are surely being put through the paces at city hall and the dogs are chompin at the bit. The city must approve or deny the Conditional Use Permit and this won't happen until late spring.

Speculation rules the process. The city must apply to the county for approval of a lease agreement. If the county does not accept the agreement then the city might tender an offer to purchase ALL or a portion of the acreage. The value of the land is contingent on the value of the minerals extracted. And the testing of the oil/ minerals won't occur until the CUP is approved.

The CUP sounds as if it will be challenged in court, the testing of the economic value of the oil may not occur until after a settlement, or not at all.

The city would be wise to develop a plan for the continued protection and acqusition of open space for wildlife and recreational purposes. The city should follow the county's opinion and also include Whittier's Parks and Recreational needs as beneficiary of oil revenue. How could the county argue against Whittier's future open space plans?



Ray Brower

Pico Rivera, CA

#4 Oct 18, 2010
Hire a proofreader...Good Lord!
Big B

San Francisco, CA

#5 Oct 18, 2010
Ray Brower wrote:
Hire a proofreader...Good Lord!
LOL. I really could not follow a big portion of this. I think the deadline may have been tight!
Rose of Whittier

Cerritos, CA

#6 Oct 18, 2010
Sprague strikes again!
HERE WE GROW AGAIN

Sylmar, CA

#7 Oct 18, 2010
Now I have heard it all. When Bob Henderson's fantasy about oil drilling started several years ago over his cup of coffee or was it Matrix idea. Even Bob at one time said it was Matrix idea. Opps, I guess Bob lied again. His projections were $600,000.00. It has gone from that to several million to 6 mil according to Steve Helvey in the state of the City Report to 9 mil and 1 billion on October 7, 2010. As of October 18, 2010 Henderson says its now 6 Billion. At this rate by the end of the month it will be a trillion dollars. This is an outstanding example that Henderson has been lying about this project all along. He never talks about the 600 million dollar oil company Clayton Williams Energy that is co-leassor. Gee, may be it because big oil companies come in and destroy our towns and cities. Since this is being done by the will of a few and not of the many we as a community have one option dealing with our Council (aka Baby Bell). I can tell recall is in the future of Henderson and Noirdbak and the other three. I hope they have not quit there day jobs.
matrix neighbor

Whittier, CA

#8 Oct 18, 2010
So Henderson and the council are ignoring their promise to only drill if the hills will not be effected. What a surprise.
Big B

San Francisco, CA

#9 Oct 18, 2010
Math is not my strong suit, but refer to a 3/12/08 article in this paper.

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ci_8553870...

In this article, it speaks to the fact that Matrix already operates 20 wells in Whittier. These wells were producing 400 barrels per day. It stated that the City of Whittier received twenty eight thousand dollars in royalties from these wells in 2007. Someone is making money off these, but not the City of Whittier.

In the same article, it states that Matrix is a $1 million company. Total...$1 Million? Can a $1 million dollar company have the liability coverage needed for an operation of this magnitude? I do not get this whole thing.
acemakr9

AOL

#10 Oct 18, 2010
HERE WE GROW AGAIN wrote:
Now I have heard it all. When Bob Henderson's fantasy about oil drilling started several years ago over his cup of coffee or was it Matrix idea. Even Bob at one time said it was Matrix idea. Opps, I guess Bob lied again. His projections were $600,000.00. It has gone from that to several million to 6 mil according to Steve Helvey in the state of the City Report to 9 mil and 1 billion on October 7, 2010. As of October 18, 2010 Henderson says its now 6 Billion. At this rate by the end of the month it will be a trillion dollars. This is an outstanding example that Henderson has been lying about this project all along. He never talks about the 600 million dollar oil company Clayton Williams Energy that is co-leassor. Gee, may be it because big oil companies come in and destroy our towns and cities. Since this is being done by the will of a few and not of the many we as a community have one option dealing with our Council (aka Baby Bell). I can tell recall is in the future of Henderson and Noirdbak and the other three. I hope they have not quit there day jobs.
Another " big oil" buffoon! Go ahead and let me know when the green industry matches what the oil companies pay in federal taxes!!!
Zach

United States

#11 Oct 18, 2010
Grower or is Samuel?

Thre numbers are all speculative until the oil testing phase is complete.

The Oil people have a 100 years of data to analyze, the analysis will provide some indication of the potential oil volume.

The numbers bandied about are based on assumptions- such as 100 bbl x $80 bbl=$600K. Henderson was probably misquoted by the wdn.$9M/ yr was estimated. Why not ask Henderson tonight at the POA meeting?
HERE WE GROW AGAIN wrote:
Now I have heard it all. When Bob Henderson's fantasy about oil drilling started several years ago over his cup of coffee or was it Matrix idea. Even Bob at one time said it was Matrix idea. Opps, I guess Bob lied again. His projections were $600,000.00. It has gone from that to several million to 6 mil according to Steve Helvey in the state of the City Report to 9 mil and 1 billion on October 7, 2010. As of October 18, 2010 Henderson says its now 6 Billion. At this rate by the end of the month it will be a trillion dollars. This is an outstanding example that Henderson has been lying about this project all along. He never talks about the 600 million dollar oil company Clayton Williams Energy that is co-leassor. Gee, may be it because big oil companies come in and destroy our towns and cities. Since this is being done by the will of a few and not of the many we as a community have one option dealing with our Council (aka Baby Bell). I can tell recall is in the future of Henderson and Noirdbak and the other three. I hope they have not quit there day jobs.
Recall Henderson and Nord

San Jose, CA

#12 Oct 18, 2010
Really? Can the WDN give us a real reporter? So many unemployed journalists and we get an intern? No wonder subscriptions are low.
Rafael

La Puente, CA

#13 Oct 18, 2010
This is riduculous. aside form the county giving money to purchase the land, proposition A stated that the lad would be kept as a nature preserve. the citizens of Whittier paid for that in taxes.
it is not acceptable that they just reimburse the county of LA. whittier Tax payers need something. otherwise, that would have been a waste of time and votes.
Binthere Dunthat

Whittier, CA

#14 Oct 18, 2010
Mr. Sprague, I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job. You've lasted longer as a reporter than I did. But I know how being constantly under the gun to file stories means that sometimes stuff gets filed in a hurry. But the more than 7 big boo-boo's in the first 10 grafs suggests to me that this one snuck on to the website before the copy editor looked at it.
If a copy editor did, indeed, look at ... I mean, copy edit ... this story then maybe someone (city editor, managing editor, you see where I'm going) might want to check and see what the dude/dudette smoked for lunch.
ObserverELACo

United States

#15 Oct 18, 2010
Don't look to Community Conservancy International to come back with an unbiased report on the impacts of oil drilling on the land or the nearby homes. The LA Times reported on Oct. 7 that CCI's boss, Esther Feldman, is being paid $15,000 per month for her services to the City of Whittier. You don't get that kind of money to tell your boss he can't do what he wants to do.
Stroker Ace

Whittier, CA

#16 Oct 18, 2010
ole Bob wrote:
These poeple are wasting their time. The city owns the land, and the minerals there under.
The fact that voters approved the bond issue has nothing to do with the city ownership of the minerals. They do have a marginal interest in the surface of the land, but not the actual use of each square foot.
Before you start waving selected paragraphs from agreements that porport to show an alternate view, I invite your attention to centuries of common law, case law, rights of mineral owners. They are not the same as the rights held by surface owners. Just as you own the airspace above your real property, you are not free to deny access to it as you can with the surface.
I calculate the reserve as capable of producing 100 million of revenue per year. With that kind of cash flow at stake, the community of wealth and power that is whipping the ponies and training the dogs at the city will not hesitate to steam roller any group or Ivory Tower Claremont lawyers that get in the way.
If we can move matrix, Helvey, Jones, Nordbak, and MacFarlane to the side the city can once again be a desirable place to live. Money can buy happiness....look at Disneyland!
Ole Bob,

Helvey, Jones, Nordbak and Mac "Matrix" McFarland aren't going anywhere. They get the money, we get the shaft. They can't control their emotions right now. They are so giddy just thinking about all the money they're going to get. We have to give them credit, they played a great game the last 15 years.

Anyway, I say recall Nordbak ASAP to bring down the house of cards. He is a dirt bag....
Connie Serned

Whittier, CA

#17 Oct 18, 2010
Binthere Dunthat wrote:
Mr. Sprague, I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job. You've lasted longer as a reporter than I did. But I know how being constantly under the gun to file stories means that sometimes stuff gets filed in a hurry. But the more than 7 big boo-boo's in the first 10 grafs suggests to me that this one snuck on to the website before the copy editor looked at it.
If a copy editor did, indeed, look at ... I mean, copy edit ... this story then maybe someone (city editor, managing editor, you see where I'm going) might want to check and see what the dude/dudette smoked for lunch.
No doubt Sprague wanted to get the story out before the CEWPOA meeting. Hey Binthere, did they teach you how to play politics in journalism school? Sprague apparently has that story down.
Binthere Dunthat

Whittier, CA

#18 Oct 19, 2010
Connie,
No J. school for me, I learned my craft on the job.
Moving Out of Whittier

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Oct 22, 2010
That's it! They drill, I sell. I'm moving out. I bought an awesome Craftsman era home there, 1.2 Mil, CASH! And now they want to poison the water by fracking! Forget it, I've read the suit by those poor people out in Pennsy' last month who had this EXACT situation and I don't really feel like haven't to worry about my hair falling out due to water contamination. No sir. I was happy to have paid my property tax bills before to the city for such a well organized police force and very scenic and quite neighborhood, but I can get that somewhere else, without worrying about the water, my health or my family's well-being. Good Job Whittier City Council. I've called a realtor already.
Zach

United States

#20 Oct 22, 2010
I nominate this post for Best Drama in the oil saga, 100 words or less!

There will be no fracking. And Whittier water does not come from private wells. Whittier's water comes from the Whittier Narrows through a state- of-the- art EPA designed filtration system.
Moving Out of Whittier wrote:
That's it! They drill, I sell. I'm moving out. I bought an awesome Craftsman era home there, 1.2 Mil, CASH! And now they want to poison the water by fracking! Forget it, I've read the suit by those poor people out in Pennsy' last month who had this EXACT situation and I don't really feel like haven't to worry about my hair falling out due to water contamination. No sir. I was happy to havepaid my property tax bills before to the city for such a well organized police force and very scenic and quite neighborhood, but I can get that somewhere else, without worrying about the water, my health or my family's well-being. Good Job Whittier City Council. I've called a realtor already.

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