Vote on pensions expected

Vote on pensions expected

There are 41 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Oct 19, 2010, titled Vote on pensions expected. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

Pension reform proponents are skeptical about the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors' proposed changes to the county pension system - a move some contend would save the county $200 million per year.

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hunkie boy

Moreno Valley, CA

#1 Oct 19, 2010
retired LAPD chief Bernard Parks $265.ooo year, LAcity co uncil l$170.ooo year plus perks.refuses to take a 5 percent CC cut to save someones job, should be on American Greed CNN>
Not Sustainable

American Canyon, CA

#2 Oct 19, 2010
The state and local government retirements in CA will bankrupt the state if welfare doesn't do it first. The only thing we're missing is for the governor to take his own haul of $500 million on the way out of office. You really expect everyone else to work until 70 for the privilege of paying the government workers to retire with most of their pay and full health benefits at age 55?
Felipe

Hesperia, CA

#3 Oct 19, 2010
Keep the status quo.
We government workers deserve to live off the fruits of otehrs' labor for 30 years after retiring.
We're royalty!
Let them eat cake!
RGtoo

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Oct 19, 2010
We need to get government employees switched to a defined contribution plan and end full free retiree medical, just like what workers in private industry have. It is the only long term way out of this dilemma.
American Hero

Anaheim, CA

#5 Oct 19, 2010
Felipe wrote:
Keep the status quo.
We government workers deserve to live off the fruits of otehrs' labor for 30 years after retiring.
We're royalty!
Let them eat cake!
.......don't forget, we're hero's too!
Truth

Norwalk, CA

#6 Oct 19, 2010
Tell me, are they going to let us collect Social Security like private industry workers? No? Then government workers, including the police and firefighters you call to save your selfish necks, will be getting the shaft again.
just the facts

Huntington Beach, CA

#7 Oct 19, 2010
How about welfare reform first. The millions of people who milk the system who didn't even work for it. At least governement workers put in their 30 years to retire.
CaptAmerica

Lake Memphremagog, VT

#8 Oct 19, 2010
With all of this talk about bringing the terms and conditions of employment for government workers into line with the private sector, I guess everyone will be in agreement on government employees having the right to strike - just like the private sector.
Frank Poncharello

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#9 Oct 19, 2010
Why is it there's talk about PERS retirement now? I'll tell you why. A ploy from all the overpaid politicians to get their spending off everybody's minds and focused elsewhere. Public safety retirements have been never been a burden before! If all of the envious people in the private sector are upset about the retirements public safety gets, then I say go and become a police officer or a firefighter. No wait, you don't have the guts to become one! Typically, police and fire make substantial ammounts of less money then the private sector. Hey I have an idea, why doesn't the private sector worker take the extra $$ they make and invest it for their retirement. You too can live comfortably in your "golden years."
Frank Poncharello

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#10 Oct 19, 2010
Oh and by the way, I'll be retired at age 55 and enjoying life because of my decisions that I made when I was a young lad.
Just a thought

Salineville, OH

#11 Oct 19, 2010
"Typically, police and fire make substantial ammounts of less money then the private sector"

Perhaps in your world, but not in the real world here is California.
the real SAW

Beverly Hills, CA

#12 Oct 19, 2010
Not Sustainable wrote:
The state and local government retirements in CA will bankrupt the state if welfare doesn't do it first. The only thing we're missing is for the governor to take his own haul of $500 million on the way out of office. You really expect everyone else to work until 70 for the privilege of paying the government workers to retire with most of their pay and full health benefits at age 55?
The idea that most government workers retire at age 55 with most of their pay and full health benefits is a misnomer. Those that are able to do, that are usually public safety workers. Most public sector workers did not begin their careers at the age of 20, and most of them do not spend 25 or more years at the entity they begin with. At my former entity you had to be there for a minimum of 25 years to retire with full health benefits. I retired after 40 years with "full" health benefits (and I was not 55). My copay for the ABC medical premium, that acts only as a supplement to Medicare, for myself and my dependent spouse is $1068/mo. Then, in addition to that, we still have our own Medicare premiums. So much "full" health care.

Meg Whitman, Republican candidate for Governor is on a "Divide and Conquer" mission to start a fued between public safety workers and miscellaneous public workers. Her platform is to allow public safety workers to keep the defined beneift pensions and make all miscellaneous workers settle for defined contribution plans. Such a situation would eventually spell the end for CalPERS and other public pension systems.

Meg Whitman, knowing that she can never get the Legislature to buy into her plan, has already announced that she will use more of her billion dollar fortune to move her personal legislative agenda along, after she is elected. If she is the next Governor, we can all look forward to several more years of an adversarial relationship between her and the State employees, just like the one GAS has had with his subordinates for these past eight years.

Vote for Jerry Brown. He will reform the pension system by use of the collective bargaining process, and he will protect the defined benefit pensions for CA workers. I would also expect him to treat the State workers with the respect that GAS has not.
the real SAW

Beverly Hills, CA

#13 Oct 19, 2010
Felipe wrote:
Keep the status quo.
We government workers deserve to live off the fruits of otehrs' labor for 30 years after retiring.
We're royalty!
Let them eat cake!
Knock it off, Felipe! I am a retired public employee, and I am living off the fruits of my own 40 years of labor, while I was working--not yours or anyone else's. I am not afraid to admit that I was a public employee--I do not keep my past a secret like you do with your own curren, public sector job. You will be happily going to the bank with your own retirement check, just like everyone else, who is fortunate enough to get one.
Taxpayer

Ontario, CA

#14 Oct 19, 2010
Truth wrote:
Tell me, are they going to let us collect Social Security like private industry workers? No? Then government workers, including the police and firefighters you call to save your selfish necks, will be getting the shaft again.
Huh? You want IN to a system that's going to pay you less than you put into it if you're under 35 or so today? Everyone I know that's under 40 would love to get OUT of the Social Security ponzi scheme. As for "getting the shaft" - lots of police officers and firefighters make six figures. In fact, firefighters' average wage in Ontario is almost $140K; for police, it's just under $100K. If that's what getting shafted is like, I know tons of unemployed and underemployed people who'd love to sign up.

Typical ungrateful government worker who probably couldn't hack it in the productive world.
Taxpayer

Ontario, CA

#15 Oct 19, 2010
CaptAmerica wrote:
With all of this talk about bringing the terms and conditions of employment for government workers into line with the private sector, I guess everyone will be in agreement on government employees having the right to strike - just like the private sector.
Be careful there - we might found out how unnecessary you are if you go on strike.
Curious

Honolulu, HI

#16 Oct 19, 2010
Why don't those that are so anti-union/anti-pension fight for the private sector companies they work for to unionize or provide decent pensions. It seems that we have gone away from this. As these companies provide less, the expectation is everyone should receive less.

With the exception of public safety and top tier managers few that work for the public sector make 110K plus pensions. In fact the average CalPers pension is around 25K a year. Half are paid 16K or less and the average pensioner receives only 50% of their final pay.

It is a life choice, people have chosen their careers and must live with their choices. I agree that changes are necessary and cities and states will be self regulating. Going to far at this time can be problematic. Do remember that all public employees are tax payers just like those in the private sector.
Felipe

Hesperia, CA

#17 Oct 19, 2010
CaptAmerica wrote:
With all of this talk about bringing the terms and conditions of employment for government workers into line with the private sector, I guess everyone will be in agreement on government employees having the right to strike - just like the private sector.
As long as they can be fired, and gov't may choose to switch to non-union employees.
Felipe

Hesperia, CA

#18 Oct 19, 2010
Curious wrote:
Why don't those that are so anti-union/anti-pension fight for the private sector companies they work for to unionize or provide decent pensions. It seems that we have gone away from this. As these companies provide less, the expectation is everyone should receive less.
With the exception of public safety and top tier managers few that work for the public sector make 110K plus pensions. In fact the average CalPers pension is around 25K a year. Half are paid 16K or less and the average pensioner receives only 50% of their final pay.
It is a life choice, people have chosen their careers and must live with their choices. I agree that changes are necessary and cities and states will be self regulating. Going to far at this time can be problematic. Do remember that all public employees are tax payers just like those in the private sector.
It is not a choice to have a criminally-high portion of the fruits of your labor confiscated against your will to pay for overpaid and underworked government employees and obscenely young retirees.
hunkie boy

Moreno Valley, CA

#19 Oct 19, 2010
Jerry Brown is a fruit cake, off camera his effeminate side is so obvious!

Since: Apr 10

Upland, CA

#20 Oct 19, 2010
Felipe wrote:
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It is not a choice to have a criminally-high portion of the fruits of your labor confiscated against your will to pay for overpaid and underworked government employees and obscenely young retirees.
Where are they? I had a long tenure and a public employee and saw many retirees along the way. I don't recall any that were obsenely young.

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