Mirabilis founder pleads guilty in tax-fraud case

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Frank L. Amodeo attends a mental competency hearing Tuesday in front of Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
As to Ms. Curry,s involvement you should examine her telephone,email and travel records,she was up to her neck in Mirabilis matters even after resignation on October 31,2006.

Had Ms.Curry fulfilled her duty as an attorney(regardless of who she represented)an officer or director of Mirabilis or an affiliate she would have notified every other licensed professional and each board member that continuing to use Presidion or AEM money was an unacceptable.

Instead she allowed it to continue because those funds were paying for her salaries and those of her friends,plus she figured if went bad she could blame it on Amodeo,Vanderburg and Amar.

Coincidentally just as you are doing.
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Sep 24, 2008
 
Sammie,

Again, half-truths and lies wrapped together. It's not really worth arguing with you as anyone who follows the discussion boards about Mirabilis knows your M.O. You were wrong about Amodeo and you are wrong about Holtz, Hailstones and Curry. Baiers is an attorney who was involved in all of the Presidion mess from day 1. Suddenly he is to be believed? You think Curry and others stayed around because of a salary? They lall have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending themselves from spurious charges and lawsuits filed by Mirabilis. Hailstones lost his company and his work visa.

Curry was Amodeo's second at Mirabilis? What a joke. According to everyone else, she was the one person he feared/hated because she actually stood up to him. But nobody ever confused her with being second in command. That distinction can be claimed only by the Amodeo insiders - Pollack, Sadrianna, Vandevere, Meyers, Flynn - all of the guys who would do what Amodeo said without blinking.

And speaking of money, how long were you on the payroll Sammie?

I highly doubt Curry was up to her neck in Mirabilis matters after her resignation (and how would anyone get access to her telephone email and travel records?- Sammie, have you been breaking the law that way as well?) I suspect the only travel she did after that October that was related to Mirabilis was to meet with the prosecutors. But if you are privy to any real information, why don't you post it for all to see?

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#46
Sep 24, 2008
 
Having had time to read your very long posts,it is apparent you have been mislead.The thousands of hours of recording and millions of documents will eventually be released. At which time you will be disappointed and embarrassed.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
Sammie,
Again, half-truths and lies wrapped together. It's not really worth arguing with you as anyone who follows the discussion boards about Mirabilis knows your M.O. You were wrong about Amodeo and you are wrong about Holtz, Hailstones and Curry. Baiers is an attorney who was involved in all of the Presidion mess from day 1. Suddenly he is to be believed? You think Curry and others stayed around because of a salary? They lall have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending themselves from spurious charges and lawsuits filed by Mirabilis. Hailstones lost his company and his work visa.
Curry was Amodeo's second at Mirabilis? What a joke. According to everyone else, she was the one person he feared/hated because she actually stood up to him. But nobody ever confused her with being second in command. That distinction can be claimed only by the Amodeo insiders - Pollack, Sadrianna, Vandevere, Meyers, Flynn - all of the guys who would do what Amodeo said without blinking.
And speaking of money, how long were you on the payroll Sammie?
I highly doubt Curry was up to her neck in Mirabilis matters after her resignation (and how would anyone get access to her telephone email and travel records?- Sammie, have you been breaking the law that way as well?) I suspect the only travel she did after that October that was related to Mirabilis was to meet with the prosecutors. But if you are privy to any real information, why don't you post it for all to see?
I was not a Mirabilis employee ever.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
Sammie,
Again, half-truths and lies wrapped together. It's not really worth arguing with you as anyone who follows the discussion boards about Mirabilis knows your M.O. You were wrong about Amodeo and you are wrong about Holtz, Hailstones and Curry. Baiers is an attorney who was involved in all of the Presidion mess from day 1. Suddenly he is to be believed? You think Curry and others stayed around because of a salary? They lall have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending themselves from spurious charges and lawsuits filed by Mirabilis. Hailstones lost his company and his work visa.
Curry was Amodeo's second at Mirabilis? What a joke. According to everyone else, she was the one person he feared/hated because she actually stood up to him. But nobody ever confused her with being second in command. That distinction can be claimed only by the Amodeo insiders - Pollack, Sadrianna, Vandevere, Meyers, Flynn - all of the guys who would do what Amodeo said without blinking.
And speaking of money, how long were you on the payroll Sammie?
I highly doubt Curry was up to her neck in Mirabilis matters after her resignation (and how would anyone get access to her telephone email and travel records?- Sammie, have you been breaking the law that way as well?) I suspect the only travel she did after that October that was related to Mirabilis was to meet with the prosecutors. But if you are privy to any real information, why don't you post it for all to see?
As to publishing the records this is in process and will happen in good time.
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Sep 24, 2008
 
Samuel Manusch wrote:
<quoted text>As to publishing the records this is in process and will happen in good time.
Sammie,
(or is it Yaniv)? How about your own sleazy insider deals with Amodeo and the PEOs?

The only thing that the honest people whom you have maligned have to fear is the actions of people such as you who have had access to the systems, documents and records of the Mirabilis and the opportunity to tamper with and fabricate evidence. I would be willing to place money on the reputations and actions of the people you have defamed - are you willing to back up Amodeo, Flynn, Sadrianna, Pollack and Vandevere? How about it yaniv?

You continue to hide in the shadows and behind pseudonyms. Like Joe McCarthy and Joseph Goebbels, you are a bully and wouldn't be able to acknowledge the truth if it was right in front of you.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
Senator,
Beginning in 2006 the peo was run very well and profitably. It could not however support the two million dollars per week being sucked out of them by Mirabilis.Amodeo could not say no if his life depended on it,actually seems to be part of his disorder.As a result the different factions in Mirabilis drained it dry.There were several factions your guys were one.The group Curry referred to as the idiots:Myers,Sadrianna,Pollack and Vandevere were another.Rama was the biggest single waste of money around.His IT people nearly single-handedly destroyed the peos.Beyers,Moryera and Collins were another.Berman and Zadrick,RKT people,etc... everybody was sucking the PEOs money out.Many times the officers were quizzed about where all the money was coming from,nobody would provide a straight answer. Simply put everyone knew Amodeo was allowing them to use the taxes,they worked in palaces and lived like royalty.Each of them turned the blind eye because they believed that by doing so they could avoid the trouble they are now facing.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
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(or is it Yaniv)? How about your own sleazy insider deals with Amodeo and the PEOs?
The only thing that the honest people whom you have maligned have to fear is the actions of people such as you who have had access to the systems, documents and records of the Mirabilis and the opportunity to tamper with and fabricate evidence. I would be willing to place money on the reputations and actions of the people you have defamed - are you willing to back up Amodeo, Flynn, Sadrianna, Pollack and Vandevere? How about it yaniv?
You continue to hide in the shadows and behind pseudonyms. Like Joe McCarthy and Joseph Goebbels, you are a bully and wouldn't be able to acknowledge the truth if it was right in front of you.
Be honest Sammie your throwing stones in a glass house.

Now let us compare bad guys look at your groups credentials and compare them with Myers,Sadrianna,Pollack and Vandevere. I would select Curry,Berman,Holtz and Hailstones over them anytime.

The truth is a lot of good people like Mike Stanley,Laurie Andrea,Debra Cole and yes Yaniv Amar relied upon allof them to ensure Amodeo was on the up and up. The entire lot of them but especially your bunch let everyone down by permitting their greed to blind them to what was happening.
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#52
Sep 24, 2008
 
Isn't the controlling person of the PEO liable for money taken out of the PEO for payroll taxes and not paid to the government? What is that person saying?

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#53
Sep 24, 2008
 
The breakfast club is just as responsible as your gang just not as greedy.Since all cards are coming out let us not forget Bob Pollack and Jason Carlson were directors of both Presidion and Mirabilis;both may have been schmucks or maybe both were slick. Either way each was obligated to know what their companies were doing and prevent illegal acts instead they facilitated them.

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Sep 24, 2008
 
Question wrote:
Isn't the controlling person of the PEO liable for money taken out of the PEO for payroll taxes and not paid to the government? What is that person saying?
The controlling persons are saying nothing.The feds do not seem to understand peo law;however it is still possible these guys and gal will get snagged. If not the state authorities and IRS collections will eventually be let off the US Attorney's leash and get them.
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Samuel Manusch wrote:
Senator,
Beginning in 2006 the peo was run very well and profitably. It could not however support the two million dollars per week being sucked out of them by Mirabilis.Amodeo could not say no if his life depended on it,actually seems to be part of his disorder.As a result the different factions in Mirabilis drained it dry.There were several factions your guys were one.The group Curry referred to as the idiots:Myers,Sadrianna,Pollack and Vandevere were another.Rama was the biggest single waste of money around.His IT people nearly single-handedly destroyed the peos.Beyers,Moryera and Collins were another.Berman and Zadrick,RKT people,etc... everybody was sucking the PEOs money out.Many times the officers were quizzed about where all the money was coming from,nobody would provide a straight answer. Simply put everyone knew Amodeo was allowing them to use the taxes,they worked in palaces and lived like royalty. Each of them turned the blind eye because they believed that by doing so they could avoid the trouble they are now facing.
Sammie/Yaniv,

You're doing a little better -only partial lies this time. The honest guys at Mirabilis -Curry, Hailstones, Holtz, Simo weren't living in palaces and drawing big salaries - those went to Amodeo and his cronies including Paul Glover. Hailstones, Simo and Holtz repeatedly tried to get spending under control and understand where the money was coming from. They tried to impose budgets and business plans, but Amodeo overruled them at every turn. Additionally, the finance group and the internal PEO took their orders only from Amodeo. It's pretty hard to get on top of those things when you can't get access to the checkbook and financial records and people are moved around and responsibilities shifted at Amodeo's whim and without anyone else's permission.

In terms of what happened to Simo, Holtz, Curry and Hailstones, they came to Mirabilis with records of achievement and excellent reputations. They have since been dragged through the mud and suffered significant financial losses from their involvement. What Frank really did to them was steal their reputations as surely as if he had stolen money directly from them.

The better question Yaniv is why didn't you stop Amodeo? You were actually in charge of the PEOs and had some real influence with Frank. If they were making the kind of money you claim, everything should have been fine with the taxes. Apparently you hope that by saying over an over again "those guys at Mirabilis wasted all of the tax money" it divert attention from the truly culpable people who were in control of the collection and disbursement of the funds. While you were never "employed by Mirabilis" how much money did you get from the PEOs? Also, if the PEOs were run so well, why was there constant rumors of misbilling, mispricing and losses?
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Sep 24, 2008
 
Samuel Manusch wrote:
<quoted text>The controlling persons are saying nothing.The feds do not seem to understand peo law;however it is still possible these guys and gal will get snagged. If not the state authorities and IRS collections will eventually be let off the US Attorney's leash and get them.
Sammie/Yaniv,

One of the things that you are especially good at, like Amodeo, is playing the "Bill Clinton/lawyer" game. Again, half truths and evasions. "I didn't get money from Mirabilis" (but I got money from the PEOs)- statements like those go on and on from you. You are also good at trying to hide behind technicalities and throwing others under the bus - "I ran the PEO, but made sure I wasn't the actual controlling person so I shouldn't be blamed." Too bad the Feds won't likely buy that argument given all of the deals between you and Amodeo (like selling the Mirabilis stock back and forth - it's all in the public records if you know where to look). You knew Amodeo better than anyone because you had been in deals with him in the past. If anyone should have kept him in control or really let people know what the real deal was with him, it was you.

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Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
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Sammie/Yaniv,
You're doing a little better -only partial lies this time. The honest guys at Mirabilis -Curry, Hailstones, Holtz, Simo weren't living in palaces and drawing big salaries - those went to Amodeo and his cronies including Paul Glover. Hailstones, Simo and Holtz repeatedly tried to get spending under control and understand where the money was coming from. They tried to impose budgets and business plans, but Amodeo overruled them at every turn. Additionally, the finance group and the internal PEO took their orders only from Amodeo. It's pretty hard to get on top of those things when you can't get access to the checkbook and financial records and people are moved around and responsibilities shifted at Amodeo's whim and without anyone else's permission.
In terms of what happened to Simo, Holtz, Curry and Hailstones, they came to Mirabilis with records of achievement and excellent reputations. They have since been dragged through the mud and suffered significant financial losses from their involvement. What Frank really did to them was steal their reputations as surely as if he had stolen money directly from them.
The better question Yaniv is why didn't you stop Amodeo? You were actually in charge of the PEOs and had some real influence with Frank. If they were making the kind of money you claim, everything should have been fine with the taxes. Apparently you hope that by saying over an over again "those guys at Mirabilis wasted all of the tax money" it divert attention from the truly culpable people who were in control of the collection and disbursement of the funds. While you were never "employed by Mirabilis" how much money did you get from the PEOs? Also, if the PEOs were run so well, why was there constant rumors of misbilling, mispricing and losses?
Bank of America shows Hailstones as a signer on every bank account,how is it he could not get control of the collection and disbursement process.

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Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
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Sammie/Yaniv,
One of the things that you are especially good at, like Amodeo, is playing the "Bill Clinton/lawyer" game. Again, half truths and evasions. "I didn't get money from Mirabilis" (but I got money from the PEOs)- statements like those go on and on from you. You are also good at trying to hide behind technicalities and throwing others under the bus - "I ran the PEO, but made sure I wasn't the actual controlling person so I shouldn't be blamed." Too bad the Feds won't likely buy that argument given all of the deals between you and Amodeo (like selling the Mirabilis stock back and forth - it's all in the public records if you know where to look). You knew Amodeo better than anyone because you had been in deals with him in the past. If anyone should have kept him in control or really let people know what the real deal was with him, it was you.
The only reason anybody went along with Amodeo on the Presidion plan was because many people including Curry,Myers and Larry Haber were vouching for the plan and him. No one was going to rely just on Amodeo it was Curry and her lot that gave everyone the confidence to proceed.

Curry,Myers,and the others fell right into Vanderburg,Baiers,Paul Hughes and Bobby Luccia's trap and they have ruined a lot of good people because of their mistakes or greed.
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Samuel Manusch wrote:
<quoted text>Bank of America shows Hailstones as a signer on every bank account,how is it he could not get control of the collection and disbursement process.
Yaniv,

Even if you are correct (and the word is that Hailstones' name appeared on a lot of documents in a variety of different handwritings and spellings of his name - do you think that might indicate that he actually didn't sign all of those documents himself? Hmmmmm) having authority to sign or authorize for checks isn't remotely the same as having authority over the company disbursements or spending. Some of th initial questions to ask would be who else had authority (either through actual signature or in practice)? Are there any verifiable instances where Hailstones actually misused his authority? If Amodeo had the finance group under his thumb - as I stated earlier was the case - how would Hailstones ever get a straight answer to any financial question?

Your statement is another half-truth or betrays an ignorance of the different functions within a company. Someone, such as the company treasurer, could have full access to the checkbook, but could/should have no responsibility for reconciling the cash and disbursements. That would be the responsibility of a different group under the CFO. This is basic organizational structure 101 to ensure proper checks and balances and make sure nobody is stealing. Unfortunately, Amodeo conrolled the finance/CFO function of Mirabilis ostensibly becasue "it was all his money". The real truth is that Hailstones only got the information that Amodeo wanted or allowed him to get. I also think it will turn out to be the case that Hailstones' signature will only be verifiable for legitimate matters whereas his purported/forged signature may show up on other interesting documents (you'd think a forger would at least get the name spelled right)
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Samuel Manusch wrote:
<quoted text>This entire project was kicked off at a meeting in Laurie Holtz's conference room dozens of accountants and attorneys were present including Curry ,Baiers,Beyer and Holtz.Amodeo explained everything at that meeting and none of the high and mighty said anything was wrong with the plan.
Sammie/Yaniv,

Amodeo also said he was an expert about this matter and had gotten outside opinions about the tax issues. People like Curry, Holtz and Hailstones were not at the mock deposition to give their legal advice and claimed no expertise about the tax issues - they were there because they were supposed to make sure Amodeo was getting the story right (as far as they knew it and remembered it). Amodeo had his own tax experts and his own attorney for privelege matters, etc.

I am sure that this "videotape" will verify all this (if undoctored) so none of them have anything to be afraid of. The word is that the only thing they told Frank was to stop trying to play the "Bill Clinton" lawyer games where he would be perceived as trying to hide behind technicalities. Also, given his role in approving EVERYTHING that happened at Mirabilis, down to signing off on clerical staff timesheets, it was going to look disingenuous at best if he tried to claim he didn't know what was going on (since the whole idea and execution was Amodeo's) Playing the dunce card didn't work for Ken Lay at Enron and wasn't going to work for Amodeo - there were too many videos, taped calls and witnesses who had seen Amodeo claim to be the ultimate master of the universe and mastermind of the Capital Genesis model and the whole Mirabilis "empire" for him to try to claim ignorance as a defense.

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Senator Sammie McCarthy wrote:
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Sammie/Yaniv,
Amodeo also said he was an expert about this matter and had gotten outside opinions about the tax issues. People like Curry, Holtz and Hailstones were not at the mock deposition to give their legal advice and claimed no expertise about the tax issues - they were there because they were supposed to make sure Amodeo was getting the story right (as far as they knew it and remembered it). Amodeo had his own tax experts and his own attorney for privelege matters, etc.
I am sure that this "videotape" will verify all this (if undoctored) so none of them have anything to be afraid of. The word is that the only thing they told Frank was to stop trying to play the "Bill Clinton" lawyer games where he would be perceived as trying to hide behind technicalities. Also, given his role in approving EVERYTHING that happened at Mirabilis, down to signing off on clerical staff timesheets, it was going to look disingenuous at best if he tried to claim he didn't know what was going on (since the whole idea and execution was Amodeo's) Playing the dunce card didn't work for Ken Lay at Enron and wasn't going to work for Amodeo - there were too many videos, taped calls and witnesses who had seen Amodeo claim to be the ultimate master of the universe and mastermind of the Capital Genesis model and the whole Mirabilis "empire" for him to try to claim ignorance as a defense.
Amodeo is toast,this is now about who else is responsible.Berman and Holtz were hired specifically to advise Amodeo on the nonpayment of payroll tax.This is established by the MEMOS generated by their firms so it will be hard to deny. Watching the mock deposition it is clear Berman is acting as Amodeo,s attorney and that Holtz is advising him.

Hailstones' signatures have been examined especially those involving FoxT they are all the same.Also Hailstones is shown as having finally drawn the line between Mirabilis and Amodeo when he nixed the Congo deal.

As to the PEOs Hailstones and McHenry were big buddies and Hailstones was always making announcements about how he was in charge.If you are not EDDIE THEN YOU ARE JUST MISLEAD.
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Sep 25, 2008
 
Wow ! You girls ought to get married ! All of you need come out from behind the curtin... lets see who gets disbarred.... You all need to grow a pair
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Sep 25, 2008
 
As someone who has been covering this story for about a year, I have to agree with Manusch. What Senator McCarthy fails to realize is that white-collar crimes are incredibly complex. It's not a question of getting stoned and robbing a liquor store. White-collar misdeeds, in order for them to flourish for any length of time, require the cooperation of many capable individuals, most of who are excellent at what they do. "Stellar reputations" can be misleading. It may only mean they hadn't gotten caught leading up to this escapade. Nobody is completely clean, especially in the world of high-stakes, high-ego, high-salary business.

The evidence suggests, and will most likely establish, that all of these people were implicit in one way or another. Without naming specific individuals, I can guarantee that many of those mentioned in the Manusch/McCarthy banter are sweating just a little bit right now. Gold isn't through yet, and either is the IRS.

In the end, I think this situation was one of uncontrolled growth and success, wherein MANY "high-level professionals" involved in making a lot of money (and getting their egos stroked) either turned a deaf ear or were implicit in these white-collar wrongdoings. Add to this a bipolar motivator at the helm, and you are asking for a disaster from the get go.

And making fun of people with bipolar disorder, or any other mental illness for that matter, is in very poor taste. Research suggests that a decent number of CEOs actually suffer from bipolar disorder, which enables them to both achieve so much and crash so quickly. These people need help and treatment, not ridicule and condemnation.

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