Clairton to put big school tax hike to referendum

Mar 18, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Clairton school board in a special meeting this morning approved a resolution to include on the primary ballot a voter referendum on a 5.57-mill tax hike.

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just shut the fdamm place down
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this budget is going to do it. kortz said so in the newspaper.
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Make thes shithole bums who "prefer to live some place nice" pay their share as an occupation privilege tax. Tax their useless old shitholes for every ton of that worthless garbage they produce and force upon the consumer. You'd have more money than you could spend then -- but not if you continue to let these filthyshithole bums and their useless shitholes slide as you have for over thirty years.

MAKE 'EM PAY OR MAKE 'EM LEAVE!
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a no vote on the referendum and getting turned down for a waiver by the state will close the school.
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foresight wrote:
a no vote on the referendum and getting turned down for a waiver by the state will close the school.
Sounds like a plan of action to me. Unfortunately the wording of the referendum will more than likely vague as was the case when the City raised the Earned Income tax to ) 1.5%.

It will be better for the town to close this joke of a school system. The athletic successes demonstrate that the kid's have the spirit to succeed. The town does not have the system in place to capitalize on it. It's a lick on Clairton School District and their greedy employees.
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The Clairton School District is coming to an end. Yet, if the people do not have access to a regular bus or public transport system, how will their kids get to the other schools once their home city schools are closed?

With no busses to reach grocery stores, medical centers, jobs, or schools, Clairton can demand that a "State of Emergency" exists with Clairton and request monies to either repair and upgrade the existing school system, get priority for school vouchers and transportation. Telling a 6 year old to walk to school that might be 5 to 15 miles away will cause massive lawsuits.

Another option is for the state and local governments to physically move clairton residents closer to the other schools, as is being done in other states and cities, and tear down the then empty buildings.---- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA.
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You've let too many people slide, too long, on too many things. All they have to do is whine about "hardships" or make some other lame excuse. Over time, others saw this and simply stopped paying -- well, why should they "take up the slack" for some filthy shithole bum to "live some place nice" and then everyday "commute to pollute and ripoff the loot".

Sooner or later, someone had to get stuck with the check for these filthy shithole bums and their useless old shitholes....how do you like it?
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I think it will be extremely difficult to defeat a tax referendum if those who have kids in school want to maintain a "local" feeling. I agree that the school district is a disaster but really take issue with"greedy" employees. It really takes guts to teach in a district like Clairton and have nothing but disrespect. I blame paying $114,000 some dollars for a superintendent that only has 76 employees. My district I am retired) only paid its superintendent $90,000 for 250 teachers, 6 principals, 6 assistant principals and assorted custodial and secretarial staff. I think $114,000 is way out of line. And having very limited income, am really pissed that the joke of a council passed a reale estate tax to bring back a few cronies on the public works department and now have to deal with the possiblity of a tax increase on school taxes. The down side to closing the schools is (1) we would have to foot the tax burden of whatever school district Clairton is merged with and this may be far more than Clairton Taxes and (2) it is highly unlikely that we would be represented on the merged board. I thought we went to war over taxation without representation.
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bugcatcher1 wrote:
I think it will be extremely difficult to defeat a tax referendum if those who have kids in school want to maintain a "local" feeling. I agree that the school district is a disaster but really take issue with"greedy" employees. It really takes guts to teach in a district like Clairton and have nothing but disrespect. I blame paying $114,000 some dollars for a superintendent that only has 76 employees. My district I am retired) only paid its superintendent $90,000 for 250 teachers, 6 principals, 6 assistant principals and assorted custodial and secretarial staff. I think $114,000 is way out of line. And having very limited income, am really pissed that the joke of a council passed a reale estate tax to bring back a few cronies on the public works department and now have to deal with the possiblity of a tax increase on school taxes. The down side to closing the schools is (1) we would have to foot the tax burden of whatever school district Clairton is merged with and this may be far more than Clairton Taxes and (2) it is highly unlikely that we would be represented on the merged board. I thought we went to war over taxation without representation.
It will be the largest segment of the Voting population that will make the decision. Based on personal observation, that would be the City's seniors. The Apathetic majority won't be showing up at the polls.

Unless the district is undergoing a major overhaul such as a charter (eliminating the public union) and addresses the problem areas of the community then it's money wasted. Charter might work and could address the problems. But the standing regime is not going to let that happen. Current district in total is broken beyond repair. New school opportunity is about the only chance that the youth of Clairton have.

I am voting "No" with full knowledge that it will break the current district. Too many people should have made the harder choices years ago. If I am paying more it will be in a new district where kids at least have a chance at success.
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Mar 24, 2011
 
I agree whole heartedly. But senior are often the apathetic - not because they don't care but often have a very difficult time getting to the poling places. The local parties should contact senior citizens and offer rides to the poles if they want to vote. Alternately see that they sign up for absentee ballots and offer to help them fill it out and help to mail them. Also, a charter school still wouldn't do the job. No one wants to go to a school where gangs etc are major problems. Also I doubt that discipline would change with the only exception being that Charter schools might not have to worry about expelling a student with the district being responsible for paying tuition to a different school. Either way, taxpayers loose.
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I agree whole heartedly. But senior are often the apathetic - not because they don't care but often have a very difficult time getting to the poling places. The local parties should contact senior citizens and offer rides to the poles if they want to vote. Alternately see that they sign up for absentee ballots and offer to help them fill it out and help to mail them. Also, a charter school still wouldn't do the job. No one wants to go to a school where gangs etc are major problems. Also I doubt that discipline would change with the only exception being that Charter schools might not have to worry about expelling a student with the district being responsible for paying tuition to a different school. Either way, taxpayers loose.
Discipline becomes part of the Charter between the City and the School. They are running charter schools in Harlem NYC that are making the difference and contending with tougher challenges than what is occurring in this little town. What would not occur is that the current staff and administration would move into the charter system. The "proven" losers would hit the road....good luck finding employment with Clairton School District on your resume. There would be more than enough teachers that would gladly enter the fray....and young "kick a$$" educators at that. Clairton has a solid track record of underachieving to the extreme. Any team that would come into replace the current teachers, staff, and administration would leave an assignment at Clairton as heroes. It is possible to make the education system in too a high performing institution. Charter is the answer.

The opportunity to move the way of the charter school has more than likely passed (or has been pissed away by the current administration). The current clowns in place are entrenching themselves through the teachers unions. This includes the recently unionized paraprofessionals. The administration is grabbing it's share as evidenced by the raises currently reported by the latest Daily News article (posted in this forum). It is sickening but when you have an organization that has become as dysfunctional as the District, you'll find that cowardice runs rampant when the end comes near. A high performing organization treats challenges with dignity and by all rights would not be contending with the same crisis as this school district. Great school districts attract residents seeking to stay the long haul. They afford opportunities for families to get their kids into the good colleges and opportunities. Sh*tty school districts get left with the economically challenged....welcome to C-Town.

OBTW: Observation: Past few elections that I've voted in, I noted Senior turn out to be very high.
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Anyone that votes for a referendum to raise taxes is an complete idiot! Case closed.

Close this shameful school down.

These clowns spend money like they have it which they don't They don't even TRY to cut costs

Fact. Hey Wessel, your statements in the paper are also full of shit. You and the rest of your clan do nothing for these kids. You say you do you are full of it. Why the hell has this school only dropped year after year. You "people" talk about test scores. Tell the truth about the test scores. Anyone that checks out what you and the other jerks say will find the FACTS. Not the bs you put out

Close the damn doors
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VOTE NO wrote:
Anyone that votes for a referendum to raise taxes is an complete idiot! Case closed.
Close this shameful school down.
These clowns spend money like they have it which they don't They don't even TRY to cut costs
Fact. Hey Wessel, your statements in the paper are also full of shit. You and the rest of your clan do nothing for these kids. You say you do you are full of it. Why the hell has this school only dropped year after year. You "people" talk about test scores. Tell the truth about the test scores. Anyone that checks out what you and the other jerks say will find the FACTS. Not the bs you put out
Close the damn doors
The referendum question will be written poorly so that voters will vote for a vague choice that will indeed increase the tax rate. Look at the Bullsh*t referendum question that was posted a few years ago for the increase to the Earned Income Tax.

If I am going to pay more it won't be for the current amateur hour fiasco that is currently in place.

Vote "NO"!
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Last Referendum Wage Tax wrote:
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The referendum question will be written poorly so that voters will vote for a vague choice that will indeed increase the tax rate. Look at the Bullsh*t referendum question that was posted a few years ago for the increase to the Earned Income Tax.
If I am going to pay more it won't be for the current amateur hour fiasco that is currently in place.
Vote "NO"!
Of course when I say vote "NO!"....your "NO" vote may actually be am inadvertent "YES" vote. May need to rattle the media's cage to publish how the referendum question will appear and what occurs with each respective choice.

I would assume that the media would provide such a public service for the community....could be wrong.
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How about an occupation privilege and an income tax on all of those shithole bums who "prefer to live some place nice" and just "commute, polllute and rip of the loot?" How about production and operating taxes on their useless old shitholes that survive on government life support and whine about "hardships" while they produce nothing but overpriced garbage and poison gas?
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TO LAST REFERENDUM WAGE TAX

THE LAW does not permit misleading or any type of legal bullshit.

The statements must be written so even a graduate of clairton high school can understand it.

And that my friend is like reading 3 grade.
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Prophet_Atlantis wrote:
The Clairton School District is coming to an end. Yet, if the people do not have access to a regular bus or public transport system, how will their kids get to the other schools once their home city schools are closed?
With no busses to reach grocery stores, medical centers, jobs, or schools, Clairton can demand that a "State of Emergency" exists with Clairton and request monies to either repair and upgrade the existing school system, get priority for school vouchers and transportation. Telling a 6 year old to walk to school that might be 5 to 15 miles away will cause massive lawsuits.
Another option is for the state and local governments to physically move clairton residents closer to the other schools, as is being done in other states and cities, and tear down the then empty buildings.---- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA.
Telling a 6 year old to walk to school that might be 5 to 15 miles away will cause massive lawsuits

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? You must be young and naive because we ALL WALKED MILES TO SCHOOL. There is nothing illegal about walking the distance to school. Clairton is walking district. People should do their homework before speaking on topix. McKeesport-Duquesne- TJ-EF- SA-South Park- if you live within THE LEGAL mile radius of your school, you WALK!!! GET EDUCATED FIRST BEFORE YOU POST!!!
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While in Wilson during the 1970's I walked to the converted main Clairton High School. The school districts cut free bussing from Wilson to save money. They told working and welfare parents to drive or pay for the busses or walk their children to school, even as young as 5 years old from wilson and other parts of clairton to the main converted clairton high school. Poor and working poor Families sued based on economic hardship and racists and many were then provided free transportation.

This was also a breaking point for many families in Wilson and in the 'better' parts of clairton. They sent more kids to private school as well as to live with relatives elsewhere with better schools and with bussing.

The schools refused to have truancy officers or the police to pick up and force children to go to school as a savings measure. We knew many 10, 12 and older kids hanging around or quitting school and selling and using drugs or a few working with their parents business. A few familes said it was too dangerous to allow their kids to walk to school as the were getting beaten up or bullied or their lives threatened.

--- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA
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Prophet_Atlantis wrote:
While in Wilson during the 1970's I walked to the converted main Clairton High School. The school districts cut free bussing from Wilson to save money. They told working and welfare parents to drive or pay for the busses or walk their children to school, even as young as 5 years old from wilson and other parts of clairton to the main converted clairton high school. Poor and working poor Families sued based on economic hardship and racists and many were then provided free transportation.
This was also a breaking point for many families in Wilson and in the 'better' parts of clairton. They sent more kids to private school as well as to live with relatives elsewhere with better schools and with bussing.
The schools refused to have truancy officers or the police to pick up and force children to go to school as a savings measure. We knew many 10, 12 and older kids hanging around or quitting school and selling and using drugs or a few working with their parents business. A few familes said it was too dangerous to allow their kids to walk to school as the were getting beaten up or bullied or their lives threatened.
--- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA
The district couldn't afford what they did years ago. Everyone abandoned Clairton for their own districts to start. A lot of people forget where their roots lie! It is not the job of the district-police-truancy officers to send kids to school. It lies with the parenting!
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For those who say that Clairton should have a charter school and hire "Kick Ass Teachers" such in Harlem, there is a big difference.
First what "Kick Ass Teacher" in his/her right mind would want to teach in Clairton - even if it were a Charter School. If they are indeed "Kick Ass" they would go somewhere where salaries, respect and disciplin mattered.
Two - even under a Charter license, it would still be the same ole, same ole in regards to students and disciplin. The only factor might be if charter schools could expell. Then it would still be a matter of what to do with the "Flunkies"

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