Competing for classes

Competing for classes

There are 14 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Aug 25, 2010, titled Competing for classes. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

The thought of enrolling in already overloaded classes, scouring parking lots for empty spaces and navigating packed campuses is enough to send a shiver down the spine of any recent high school graduate.

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Susan

Covina, CA

#2 Aug 26, 2010
I decided to go the private educational/professional route, even though I had to pay more. I'm studying Nursing, and even though the classes I'm taking aren't transferable, it really doesn't matter since my "RN" is still an "RN". Later, if I decide to pursue a Bachelors or MSN, I can always take the pre-reqs over again. I don't really mind, especially since going to the private school will enable me to get a job much sooner. No waiting lists, like in community colleges. What a shame that California community colleges are such a basket case any more. It's just not worth going that route any longer, even if it's cheaper.
curmudgeonman

Pasadena, CA

#3 Aug 26, 2010
Wow, sounds just like when I was in college. I don't find it particularly distressing that we cannot currently provide a college education to anyone that asks, especially if they are here illegally. I think a combination of high school GPAs, SATs and willingness to pay more for units is a good way to allocate this scarce resource. Something else we may want to consider is allocating LESS funding to providing classes and curricula that contribute little to a student's post graduation employability.
Susan

Covina, CA

#4 Aug 26, 2010
Good points.
curmudgeonman wrote:
Wow, sounds just like when I was in college. I don't find it particularly distressing that we cannot currently provide a college education to anyone that asks, especially if they are here illegally. I think a combination of high school GPAs, SATs and willingness to pay more for units is a good way to allocate this scarce resource. Something else we may want to consider is allocating LESS funding to providing classes and curricula that contribute little to a student's post graduation employability.
Rufus T Firefly

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#5 Aug 26, 2010
What usually happens at the community college level is you have an overflowing class at the beginning of the semester and by the mid-term upwards of 30 to 50 percent of the class is empty. Its a fairly screwed up system but after all it is part of the public education system.
CollegeParent

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#6 Aug 26, 2010
This is another reason the illegals and undocumenteds need to GO.
whitey

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#7 Aug 26, 2010
its all a scam. i hate our education system especially community colleges such as chaffey college. that college employs a bunch of fat lazy housewives who are bitter towards those who are seeking a better future
mariann

Bell, CA

#8 Aug 26, 2010
Parking lot problem is nothing new.
I wanted to donate my schoolbooks but coud not find a parking to do that. That was 6-7 years ago.

How about car pooling like many working people?
Professor

Lytle Creek, CA

#9 Aug 26, 2010
whitey wrote:
its all a scam. i hate our education system especially community colleges such as chaffey college. that college employs a bunch of fat lazy housewives who are bitter towards those who are seeking a better future
Your generalization, although possibly an attempt at humor is, of course, is wrong. It is true that some clerks become bitter as they deal, time and time again, with many students who too often want to be babied, lie, or are themselves frustrated and bitter. Like with most jobs, there are some "bad apples".

My perspective is as a professor, with over two decades of classroom experience. I see many (no, not all) students who enroll in school for financial aid, insurance discounts, benefits, or to keep mom and dad happy. The better future, as you call it, that they seek is the check they will be given at the end of the month. Many of those who remain enrolled expect good grades without doing quality work, which reflects a pervasive entitlement mentality. As another commenter noted, close to 50% of students enrolled at the start of the semester drop the class before it ends. Actually many enroll and never drop, despite not attending or participating in any way because it is the record of enrollment that triggers the giveaway that they seek. As a taxpayer myself, I get frustrated at the waste, and as an educator I get frustrated at the lost opportunity.

The education system is certainly broken. There are no easy fixes. Many of the same factors that are dragging down society in general, such as lack of personal responsibility and integrity, unwillingness to work hard, no commitment, the inability to delay gratification, and others, are also at the core of what's wrong with higher education today.
Regulate

Covina, CA

#10 Aug 26, 2010
Community Colleges are a good starting point for many, however, there are huge issues in the classrooms. As has already been pointed out, after a few weeks, 30-50% of the class starts to become no shows. My son is a student starting his second year at Chaffey. He took an economics class last year where only about 8 students, out of 40+, showed up every day. On test days the class was miraculously filled to the brim, then everyone disappeared again. Most had someone taking notes for them. How is this acceptable? Many of the math, science, and economics teachers, including the one I just spoke of, barely speak English and are very difficult to understand. It's like taking classes in a foreign country. Teachers need to hold these kids accountable to be in class. Yeah, they are allegedly adults, but are in for a rude awakening in the real world.

“rawr”

Since: Oct 08

Covina, CA

#11 Aug 26, 2010
Jorge Lopez sounds like he's going PLACES...:/
Whatever

AOL

#12 Aug 26, 2010
CollegeParent wrote:
This is another reason the illegals and undocumenteds need to GO.
Jeesh, have you been on a campus...really, how many are "illegal"? How would you know anyway...sounds like a big assumption if you think all the "brown" people must be illegal!
Whatever

AOL

#13 Aug 26, 2010
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your generalization, although possibly an attempt at humor is, of course, is wrong. It is true that some clerks become bitter as they deal, time and time again, with many students who too often want to be babied, lie, or are themselves frustrated and bitter. Like with most jobs, there are some "bad apples".
My perspective is as a professor, with over two decades of classroom experience. I see many (no, not all) students who enroll in school for financial aid, insurance discounts, benefits, or to keep mom and dad happy. The better future, as you call it, that they seek is the check they will be given at the end of the month. Many of those who remain enrolled expect good grades without doing quality work, which reflects a pervasive entitlement mentality. As another commenter noted, close to 50% of students enrolled at the start of the semester drop the class before it ends. Actually many enroll and never drop, despite not attending or participating in any way because it is the record of enrollment that triggers the giveaway that they seek. As a taxpayer myself, I get frustrated at the waste, and as an educator I get frustrated at the lost opportunity.
The education system is certainly broken. There are no easy fixes. Many of the same factors that are dragging down society in general, such as lack of personal responsibility and integrity, unwillingness to work hard, no commitment, the inability to delay gratification, and others, are also at the core of what's wrong with higher education today.
If a student can simply attend to take the test, the fault also lies with the professor. If the student can pass a test without attending, the lecture portion must not be very pertinent.(this wasn't your point..another poster brought up this point).

If a student starts to fail, the so called insurance benefits will go away...I can't believe all these so called perks keep the kids in school - it is a hassle to enroll/park/complete financial aid documents. I hardly think the student starts out thinking, "Gee, I don't even want to go to school, but I will get cheaper insurance!"

This is a problem (large enrollement numbers)due to the economy...no jobs. At least the young adults are trying to get an education...as a taxpayer, I'm glad they are trying to do this. Back "in the day," many young people could pick up good jobs with a high school diploma. Not anymore!
I'd like to see more vocational, certificate programs made available at the community colleges.
CollegeParent

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#14 Aug 26, 2010
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeesh, have you been on a campus...really, how many are "illegal"? How would you know anyway...sounds like a big assumption if you think all the "brown" people must be illegal!
Oh, I get it. You must be "brown". I never said ALL the people must be illegal, or brown. Read it again sweetie.
whitey

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#15 Aug 26, 2010
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your generalization, although possibly an attempt at humor is, of course, is wrong. It is true that some clerks become bitter as they deal, time and time again, with many students who too often want to be babied, lie, or are themselves frustrated and bitter. Like with most jobs, there are some "bad apples".
My perspective is as a professor, with over two decades of classroom experience. I see many (no, not all) students who enroll in school for financial aid, insurance discounts, benefits, or to keep mom and dad happy. The better future, as you call it, that they seek is the check they will be given at the end of the month. Many of those who remain enrolled expect good grades without doing quality work, which reflects a pervasive entitlement mentality. As another commenter noted, close to 50% of students enrolled at the start of the semester drop the class before it ends. Actually many enroll and never drop, despite not attending or participating in any way because it is the record of enrollment that triggers the giveaway that they seek. As a taxpayer myself, I get frustrated at the waste, and as an educator I get frustrated at the lost opportunity.
The education system is certainly broken. There are no easy fixes. Many of the same factors that are dragging down society in general, such as lack of personal responsibility and integrity, unwillingness to work hard, no commitment, the inability to delay gratification, and others, are also at the core of what's wrong with higher education today.
so you reply to my post with another generalization? and tell me, with your backed-up/overcrowded classes how could you ever know why your students are REALLY attending classes? because i can hardly see a student admitting to you that they are going to school because "mommy and daddy" told them to, or to get financial aid. unlikely.

if your theory is true, this means that you are getting paid to give out good grades to mediocre students. these students in turn receive financial aid and cheaper healthcare under their parents policies. so my friend, WTF are you complaining about? you are eating arnt you? sounds to me that if they fix education you might find yourself out of a job.

dragging down society? wow such an optimist! its my opinion that people are just trying to survive. i feel sorry for the people who need financial aid such as myself who get labeled as a "bad apple" by faculty like you.

and im sorry but chaffey college can kiss my azz. nothing like walking a mile on a 110 degree day to the dean of sciences office because of the lack of parking, only to be greeted by the overweight secretary who tells me to wait for 30 minutes while she wraps up her personal conversation to the other fatazz about last nights episode of dancing with the stars.

not to mention the braniacs at the financial aid office who NEVER ANSWER THEIR PHONE! why do they have phones in the first place? seriously.... i can go on and on

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