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Car Parker

Covina, CA

#1 Nov 25, 2012
BALDWIN PARK - The city is marching toward a contract with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department after rejecting a public safety tax proposal that could have kept the city's police department in tact.

A unanimous City Council has decided against asking residents to pay additional taxes to fund public safety services.

Still, it will be months before the completion of a $90,000 study designed to evaluate the cost of contracting policing services from the County.

"I think where I'm coming from, we're dealing with difficult decisions, but I don't think taxing our residents are the solution to our challenges," Baldwin Park Councilwoman Monica Garcia said Friday.

The city says it can no longer fund its police department under current conditions. Like other cities across the state, it is now looking to contract out public safety services - the city's most expensive department.

City officials have said they're concerned about long-term challenges posed by police pension and retiree medical benefits, which they say could bankrupt the city if nothing is done.

But residents at recent meetings have opposed the city taking away their police department.

Earlier this month, city administrators presented several public safety tax proposals, including a parcel tax, sales tax and an increase in the city's utility-users tax in an effort to generate the $4 million and $5 million needed to continue funding public safety
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operations and retiree health obligations.

The council considered Wednesday whether to ask voters to approve one of the tax proposals, but ultimately decided against any ballot initiative.

Councilwoman Susan Rubio said she isn't supportive of more taxes or disbanding the police department.

"I would have preferred that collectively we sit down and discuss ways of improving the economic health of the city without discussing disbanding our police, and I didn't see that happen," Rubio said Friday.

She is requesting that the City Council conduct a study session on ways to improve the city's financial position.

Councilwoman Marlen Garcia said she didn't want to weigh more taxes on already struggling residents.

"We don't want to impose these taxes on you and we have options," Garcia said.

"That's the beauty of all this, is that we have an option that is a better option than we can provide now," she said of the Sheriff's contract. "Logically, this is what is best for our community, our residents."

According to Baldwin Park administrators, the city spends $19.5 million on its police department. A contract with the Sheriff's Department would cost an estimated $14.8 million, after making adjustments for a loss of police revenues, such as grants and jail fees, and ongoing costs such as pension obligations, according to city officials.

Those numbers have been questioned by Rubio and Councilman Ricardo Pacheco.

The sheriff's study, which was approved in October, could take up to six months, according to sheriff's officials.

Monica Garcia said as part of the $90,000 study, the Sheriff's Department is currently accepting documentation and applications from Baldwin Park Police officers who are interested in becoming deputies if the city opts for a sheriff's contract.

Part of the study includes a review of which police officers have the qualifications to be hired on with the Sheriff's Department, officials said.
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#2 Nov 25, 2012
Councilwoman Susan Rubio said she isn't supportive of more taxes or disbanding the police department.

"I would have preferred that collectively we sit down and discuss ways of improving the economic health of the city without discussing disbanding our police, and I didn't see that happen," Rubio said Friday.

Hey how about get rid of 1290 and put the residents back to work. allow new business to open so U can start generating sales tax and build up the cities bank account. new business means fee's and permits and sales tax and citizens with jobs and more money to spend ion the community.

But NO u stupid idiots are still watching the Baldwin Park train wreck.
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#3 Nov 25, 2012
Part of the study includes a review of which police officers have the qualifications to be hired on with the Sheriff's Department, officials said.

Hey Parnell I checked with Baca and he said he does not allow his officers to wear panties on duty.

I told U
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#4 Nov 25, 2012
residents at recent meetings have opposed the city taking away their police department.

Councilwoman Marlen Garcia said

"That's the beauty of all this, is that we have an option that is a better option than we can provide now," she said of the Sheriff's contract. "Logically, this is what is best for our community, our residents."

The Prozac queen Marlen doesn't care what the residents want.

This is what happens when you let a druggie make decisions.

What happen to your drug test Marlen
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#5 Nov 26, 2012
Car Parker wrote:
Councilwoman Susan Rubio said she isn't supportive of more taxes or disbanding the police department.
"I would have preferred that collectively we sit down and discuss ways of improving the economic health of the city without discussing disbanding our police, and I didn't see that happen," Rubio said Friday.
Hey how about get rid of 1290 and put the residents back to work. allow new business to open so U can start generating sales tax and build up the cities bank account. new business means fee's and permits and sales tax and citizens with jobs and more money to spend ion the community.
But NO u stupid idiots are still watching the Baldwin Park train wreck.
What you suggest is mathematically impossible. It's like saying your'e going to start wrapping up all your loose pennies so that you can pay your mortgage with it. If you look at the City's tax revenue BEFORE 1290 and its tax revenue today, you'd say that your'e arguing over what amounts to pocket change in the grand scheme of things.
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#6 Nov 27, 2012
You sound like you may be familiar with the City's tax revenue BEFORE 1290 and its tax revenue today,

So I am sure you are a city #uck

Where do you think city revenue comes from. 1290 is the cause of high unemployment and less taxes and fee's that generate money for the general fund. No business no revenue. 1290 also lowers property value.

So go blow it out your pipe. Or better yet post the City's tax revenue BEFORE 1290 and its tax revenue today.
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#7 Nov 27, 2012
Car Parker wrote:
You sound like you may be familiar with the City's tax revenue BEFORE 1290 and its tax revenue today,
So I am sure you are a city #uck
Where do you think city revenue comes from. 1290 is the cause of high unemployment and less taxes and fee's that generate money for the general fund. No business no revenue. 1290 also lowers property value.
So go blow it out your pipe. Or better yet post the City's tax revenue BEFORE 1290 and its tax revenue today.
I'm not a City fuck. I just happen to know what I'm talking about.

1) The concept that 1290 is the cause of high unemployment is ridiculous. The removal of 1290 will not bring in a business guaranteed to hire baldwin park residents.

2) The general fund is supported by 3 types of taxes and 3 types of taxes only: Property Tax, the City's portion of Sales Tax, and the utility tax. Only one of those can be marginally impacted by increased employment.

3) 1290 Limits what types of businesses can set up shop in certain areas of the city. Most of the types of businesses that are banned do not contribute significantly to the sales tax base.

Look, you can argue that 1290 is a terrible ordinance and should be ended. There are very good arguments that support you on that that can be made. I'm just saying that the argument that getting rid of 1290 will bring in enough tax revenue to fund a police department or do anything else isn't one of them. The math doesn't support your conclusion.

It's like saying that clipping coupons for groceries is a good idea because with the money you save you can pay off your mortgage. I'm not disagreeing with you that clipping coupons is a good idea. I'm just saying it won't result in the conclusion you've stated.
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#8 Nov 27, 2012
Since you asked nicely, here's the document:

http://www.baldwinpark.com/index.php...

Look at table C-1.2.

It's even in a nice graph form so it's easy to read. All tax revenues actually went UP after the passage of 1290 (but that's because of the real estate bubble which, produced increased home construction which added to every area of the tax base), and didn't start to go DOWN until the recession (which again, mostly impacted the bubble supported industries).

BUT, if you look at the beginning of the graph and the end of the graph, the revenues are largely the same, maybe some difference in the tens of thousands, bu nothing that would have an impact on the City's largest cost centers.
Really Greek

Pomona, CA

#9 Nov 27, 2012
The 1290 restricts manufacturing and many medium size companies from coming to Baldwin Park. The increase in new business like automotive and manufacturing create jobs and sales tax revenue. This city has all but forced all small and medium companies from coming into BP. This town has no construction because they are to high on all permits for building and city council has their hands out for kickbacks also. The 1290 was put in place to force smal business out and devalue land so the city could redevelop cheap and sell high but their plan flopped because of stupid planning for the people here. When you try to live a dream of only high end stores and big sales tax revenue you will fail just like this council did they have no business experience to see how all these companies they restricted could help the employment rate, the utility tax and sales tax revenues. The Greek is talking crap about something he claims to know but baffles only the idiots like the council. The facts are clear more companies equal more jobs and revenue plan and simple.
Really Greek

Pomona, CA

#10 Nov 28, 2012
Well we'll the Greek buffoon has no answer to the real facts submitted. The truth is more business in the city equals more jobs ,more income ,more spending more, more taxes , more revenue, more spending in town, and more growth. The 1290 was brought up by council to rid the city of small business and to devalue the properties and it has done both. Great job moron council people.
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#11 Nov 28, 2012
You guys are so quick to attack people personally when they don't agree with your position.

First of all, 1290 doesn't do exactly what you say it does, but for arguments sake, let's just say it does.

1290 hasn't always been around. It was put into place in 2006/2007. My point is that if you look at revenues BEFORE 1290 and AFTER 1290 and they are largely the same, you can't argue that 1290 is making the City lose revenue. In other words, removing 1290 won't magically make automotive and manufacturing businesses come into the City. Moreover, even if they did come in, manufacturing and automotive businesses do not contribute much, if anything, to the tax base.

Again, I'm not saying 1290 is a good thing or a bad thing. You can make an argument that it should be removed and that such businesses that are restricted in the redevelopment area should now be allowed in---you just can't say, with a straight face, that the reason for doing so is to increase revenues to the city to pay for something as large as the police department.

Why can't you argue your points without being such an asshole about it?
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#12 Nov 28, 2012
Really Greek wrote:
Well we'll the Greek buffoon has no answer to the real facts submitted. The truth is more business in the city equals more jobs ,more income ,more spending more, more taxes , more revenue, more spending in town, and more growth. The 1290 was brought up by council to rid the city of small business and to devalue the properties and it has done both. Great job moron council people.
Sorry I didn't immediately respond to you. Doesn't mean I don't have an answer.

You seem to struggle with cause and effect.

More business in the city is a good thing. Agreed.

Removing 1290 doesn't necessarily mean new business will come in. it might come in, it might not. There are plenty of areas in the City NOT affected by 1290 (See all of Arrow Highway and the other manufacturing, "dirty" use areas of the city). Why haven't they come in there?

Auto repair shops don't guarantee an increase of jobs that will having a meaningful impact on the city.

More jobs don't necessarily mean jobs for residents, nor does it guarantee that those job holders will spend their dollars in Baldwin Park.

Point Being: If you look at tax revenue historically, from before 1290 and after 1290, and it's largely the same you can conclude that removing 1290 won't result in the things you're saying. There's clearly some other obstacle(s) that keep some things from coming to past. Some of them are about Baldwin Park. some of them are about larger economic trends specific to California. Some are national economic trends. Some are global.
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#13 Nov 28, 2012
Really Greek wrote:
The facts are clear more companies equal more jobs and revenue plan and simple.
It's not that plain and simple. If I open 100 new lemonade stands and hired one person for each one, that's 100 new companies and 100 new jobs. Doesn't mean squat in terms of tax revenue for the City. You have to look at scale and the type of business. The city only gets real revenue from sales tax and property tax. If the "business" that comes in uses a small lot size, the property tax is negligible. If it doesn't sell goods that are subject to sales tax AND doesn't sell taxable goods with a high enough margin, the revenue to the city is negligible.

I assume from your posts that you run a small business. I applaud you for it, and I'm sure to successfully do so requires a certain type of business acumen. But, what you seem to not understand is that your business acumen for a small business does not translate to understanding how a City functions and what types of businesses actually support a city.
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#14 Nov 28, 2012
Ok what about a large grocery store.

Sales tax and jobs what impact does one large grocery store have for a community and city revenue.
Car Parker

Covina, CA

#15 Nov 28, 2012
according to Fitch Affs Baldwin Park Sales taxes falling 40% between fiscals 2007 and 2008 right after our city idiots enacted 1290

You need to stop blowing smoke. Bottom line 1290 needs to go. You can argue that 1290 has little effect. but the facts are not on your side.

Baldwin Park unemployment rate is 14% No jobs that's what 1290 does it prohibits new jobs.

You say that new jobs in Baldwin Park doesn't mean that Baldwin Park citizens would get those jobs. But you cant say that they would not get a share of those jobs.

I say that any unemployed Baldwin Park citizens that gets a job is an improvement.

lets take a look at what 1290 does and doesn't do.

1290 does not create new jobs.
1290 causes unemployment
1290 causes more crime.
1290 devaluates property
1290 lowers sales tax revenue
1290 causes citizens to spend their money in other cities

1290 does nothing good for the community.

You may argue that getting rid of 1290 would not improve Baldwin Park economic landscape. But I say you are blowing smoke.

foe example, 1290 prohibits auto repair shops from opening. How many Baldwin Park automobiles are being repaired in other cities. I cant say that Baldwin Park citizens would get their repair's dune at a local shop. But you cant say that they would not get them repaired in a local shop.

1290 needs to go. and our city idiots need to stop the bleeding. they need to put their citizens back to work. I don't care if its only a hand full.
Greek looney

Aliso Viejo, CA

#16 Nov 28, 2012
Car Parker wrote:
Ok what about a large grocery store.
Sales tax and jobs what impact does one large grocery store have for a community and city revenue.
Hey Car Parker your over the boys head he is thinking lemonade stands not real business that pay business license, utility taxes , business property taxes and sales taxes and hire several local residents. This sounds just like a council groupie with no business experience just thinks he can talk a good BS story. You can't argue more business brings more jobs more revenue period.
all greek to me

Santa Ana, CA

#17 Nov 29, 2012
Car Parker wrote:
according to Fitch Affs Baldwin Park Sales taxes falling 40% between fiscals 2007 and 2008 right after our city idiots enacted 1290
You need to stop blowing smoke. Bottom line 1290 needs to go. You can argue that 1290 has little effect. but the facts are not on your side.
Baldwin Park unemployment rate is 14% No jobs that's what 1290 does it prohibits new jobs.
You say that new jobs in Baldwin Park doesn't mean that Baldwin Park citizens would get those jobs. But you cant say that they would not get a share of those jobs.
I say that any unemployed Baldwin Park citizens that gets a job is an improvement.
lets take a look at what 1290 does and doesn't do.
1290 does not create new jobs.
1290 causes unemployment
1290 causes more crime.
1290 devaluates property
1290 lowers sales tax revenue
1290 causes citizens to spend their money in other cities
1290 does nothing good for the community.
You may argue that getting rid of 1290 would not improve Baldwin Park economic landscape. But I say you are blowing smoke.
foe example, 1290 prohibits auto repair shops from opening. How many Baldwin Park automobiles are being repaired in other cities. I cant say that Baldwin Park citizens would get their repair's dune at a local shop. But you cant say that they would not get them repaired in a local shop.
1290 needs to go. and our city idiots need to stop the bleeding. they need to put their citizens back to work. I don't care if its only a hand full.
You have a link for that fitch affairs data? Also, does 1290 and 2007/2008 occur in an economic vacuum for you? You realize that's when the entire global economy took a massive dump, right? I mean, the federal government took in nearly 500 billion dollars less in tax revenue during that same time--was 1290 to blame for that too?

So you're saying if we had a bunch of auto repair shops in BP that would fix everything? Right. B/c, when it was like that before, everything was dandy.
Robert Paulson

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Dec 28, 2012
It's about time they went with the Sheriff's Department..I remember 12 years ago they talked about doing it, but of course it was just a political ploy by the city council. Back then Van Cleave ran his mouth how the sheriff's deputies didn't know the city and how BP officers had more sense of pride...pride, how come does the average new officer only stays in BP for 5-7 years, HMM. Oh yeah VanCleave got arrested by his own officers for false imprisonment and flashing his city council badge..HAHA.

Wake up BP, people that are against it are the ones who's MIJO is a freaking gang banger or tagger and know they will be dealt with.

I wonder how many Deputies that grew up in BP would transfer to Baldwin Park Sheriff's Station... Maybe the city Council could ask the Sheriff to request deputies that grew up here to transfer.
US Proud

Baldwin Park, CA

#19 Jan 19, 2013
Robert Paulson wrote:
It's about time they went with the Sheriff's Department..I remember 12 years ago they talked about doing it, but of course it was just a political ploy by the city council. Back then Van Cleave ran his mouth how the sheriff's deputies didn't know the city and how BP officers had more sense of pride...pride, how come does the average new officer only stays in BP for 5-7 years, HMM. Oh yeah VanCleave got arrested by his own officers for false imprisonment and flashing his city council badge..HAHA.
Wake up BP, people that are against it are the ones who's MIJO is a freaking gang banger or tagger and know they will be dealt with.
I wonder how many Deputies that grew up in BP would transfer to Baldwin Park Sheriff's Station... Maybe the city Council could ask the Sheriff to request deputies that grew up here to transfer.
Hey Ding Ding if you live in MPK you have your own issues like driving on Atlantic Blvd. or all the overcrowding of your city. For some of us who live in cities adjacent to BPK we get the overflow of their ghetto residents. They DONT NEED SHERIFFS they need MORE cops! More artillery to deal with the Mexican Nationals that swim across the rio grande to seek the American Dream, a Chevy with 24 in rims and a system to blast banda music on. I say we should call in ICE, instead of DUI ckpoints, Drivers license ck points we should sent this ILLEGAL people back to whatever third world country they come from and tighten up our laws. Hold people accountable for their behavior, jail time, clear out all those on death row what are we up to now almost 300. Work fair no more welfare. Illegals from whatever country they come from are a drain on our resources, education, medical, law enforcement. US citizens stay strong and don't give into the promises of the Sheriffs, because if you really need them their eta is extended remember they are responsible for several contract cities not just BPK.

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