Death at Deer Creek Park
Bill

Tampa, FL

#42 May 8, 2009
Dad wrote:
The curse all started when they voted down the pool for the park. After that everything went down hill. It is a sad day and my prayers are with him and his family. Its going to be tough for them especially if they live in Deer Creek and pass the park daily. I hope also if the kids at the Elementary saw him, that they are offering counseling for them.
They removed the basketball courts too, there really isnt much left to do there. Mark Winn needs to resign from the BOD, he is not very progressive.
hlr

San Antonio, TX

#43 May 8, 2009
the tennis enclosure was removed to put a new one and the basketball goals are just broken--thats how they have been...nothing has changed at the park
Leon

El Paso, TX

#44 May 9, 2009
hlr wrote:
the tennis enclosure was removed to put a new one and the basketball goals are just broken--thats how they have been...nothing has changed at the park
the Board of Directors removed the basketball goals-- because they dont like black people hanging out in the park-- thats why they spent money on the tennis courts. Bad people dont play tennis, Bad people play basketball. It seems racially motivated. It is disgusting.
JR Fields

El Paso, TX

#45 May 9, 2009
hlr wrote:
the tennis enclosure was removed to put a new one and the basketball goals are just broken--thats how they have been...nothing has changed at the park
When I first heard that someone was dangling n the park I thought for SURE they were hanging from that broken down basketball goal. That would have been nasty. That park is a cesspool. I agree with the earlier poster that the board of directors are incompetant and causing people to lose property value.
Embarassingly two of them are on the city council also. Thats very frightening.
Dad

San Antonio, TX

#46 May 9, 2009
Bill wrote:
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They removed the basketball courts too, there really isnt much left to do there. Mark Winn needs to resign from the BOD, he is not very progressive.
I thought the basketball goals were still there? What did Mark Winn do to make him not very progressive?
Bill

El Paso, TX

#47 May 10, 2009
Dad wrote:
<quoted text>I thought the basketball goals were still there? What did Mark Winn do to make him not very progressive?
You thought wrong. One pole and half a backboard are still there. Was Mark Winn or any of the Board or Directors even elected?

This is a great example of why many governments use term limits.

I will DEFINITLY support any opposing slate that runs against any of the existing board.

When Mark and that other loser run for City Council I'll vote against them there also, unless they can figure out a way to get those seats without an election also.
Dad

Montgomery, AL

#48 May 10, 2009
Bill wrote:
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You thought wrong. One pole and half a backboard are still there. Was Mark Winn or any of the Board or Directors even elected?
This is a great example of why many governments use term limits.
I will DEFINITLY support any opposing slate that runs against any of the existing board.
When Mark and that other loser run for City Council I'll vote against them there also, unless they can figure out a way to get those seats without an election also.
Bill why don't you run against Mark Winn? Sounds like you would win, since everyone is saying he is doing a bad job. I glad the mayor won re-election.
Bill

Tampa, FL

#49 May 11, 2009
Dad wrote:
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Bill why don't you run against Mark Winn? Sounds like you would win, since everyone is saying he is doing a bad job. I glad the mayor won re-election.
I'm glad you agree that he does a miserable job and needs to be replaced. It would be awesome if the entire board resigned forcing enough interest to get a quorum to actually elect people into these positions, instead of them just annointing each other. Fuzzy was annointed without an election this past fall. If they just quit, put a temp board together until a quorum could be reached the community would be best served.

As it is, the BOD runs amok under the guise of not being able to get a quorum. Of course the effort to get a quorum is feeble because it is in their own best interest to NOT have a legitimate vote. Thus the HOA is hijacked. If enough people get pissed we could change things and take our neighborhood back.

Term limits are needed badly.
Bill

Tampa, FL

#50 May 11, 2009
Dad wrote:
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Bill why don't you run against Mark Winn? Sounds like you would win, since everyone is saying he is doing a bad job. I glad the mayor won re-election.
Dad, I never answered your question. It would be inappropriate for me to run as my home in Deer Creek is not my primary residence. I use it sometimes and I rent it sometimes.
Leon

El Paso, TX

#52 May 11, 2009
MAH from TX wrote:
From my own experience, one night many months ago, we were on a walk back to our house in the field behind the park. It was night time and we noticed a SUV pull in through the trees of the park and pull up on the basketball court. We watched for a minute to find out what the heck they were doing and a boy got out of the truck, got on top of the vehicle, and proceeded to try to unscrew the goal from the post. We ran home and called the Cibolo police but they took forever getting there and showed up about 5 minutes after the perpetrators left. They didn't manage to get the goal down but I called the HOA the next day afraid that they might have loosened it and if someone threw a ball against it, it would come down and hurt/killed someone. Two days later the goal was gone and was never put back up. That was months ago. They still haven't put it back up.:-(
MAH using this "solomonish" logic to be equitable we should cut down all the trees in the park to prevent another suicide.
MAH from TX

Montgomery, AL

#53 May 12, 2009
Leon, I was not referring to the trees as being a problem or cutting them down as a solution. Not too many subdivisions in this area have them and they are something to be appreciated. I was just offering a possible reason as to why the goals were taken down. I am not happy about it either because we enjoyed using the park before all this happened. I am just saying that there are major issues with our park and it doesn't always feel safe. I think that our park should be welcome to all that can respect it and not ruin it for other people who pay HOA fees to maintain it. The suicide was an unfortunate, singular episode. Cutting down all the trees is a silly logic for which I would never advocate. Sorry you took it as such. Have a great day... :-)
Bill

Tampa, FL

#54 May 12, 2009
MAH from TX wrote:
Leon, I was not referring to the trees as being a problem or cutting them down as a solution. Not too many subdivisions in this area have them and they are something to be appreciated. I was just offering a possible reason as to why the goals were taken down. I am not happy about it either because we enjoyed using the park before all this happened. I am just saying that there are major issues with our park and it doesn't always feel safe. I think that our park should be welcome to all that can respect it and not ruin it for other people who pay HOA fees to maintain it. The suicide was an unfortunate, singular episode. Cutting down all the trees is a silly logic for which I would never advocate. Sorry you took it as such. Have a great day...:-)
It's a shame that the park is no longer a place that you go to enjoy yourself. I always found it very relaxing and enjoyable to play with my kids there. I agree with you that the trees are very nice.
Leon

El Paso, TX

#55 May 12, 2009
Bill & MAH you both don't get whats going on at all. As a black man ive seen this BS a hundred times. Take down the basketball courts to keep the scarey black people out, ignore our own teenagers vandalizing the park and slutting around in midriff shirts and ignore our troubled residents that dont have enough faith in the lord so they feel compelled to hang themselves. Lets keep our heads in the sand about our park and blame scarey black people for all the trouble there.

Here is the math
Basketball = Black = Bad
Tennis = White = Good

The only question I have is if the Board of Directors wears KKK Hoods at their monthly meeting.

Ive heard my neighbors talk about bad people coming into our park and doing bad things, by bad people: they mean BLACK people. Its a lot easier to blame the black people than it is to control your wild teenage kids. Its easy to blame outsiders and ignore your crappy parenting.

Spend $14,700 dollars on a tennis fence and leave the broken basketball goal as it is. Very nice you racist sicko's.
rick in cibolo

San Antonio, TX

#56 May 13, 2009
Who was the man that was found in deer creek, I read all your stuff and the story in the herald, and still don't know who " he " is. my wife is same age as " he " and she is wondering who " he " is too.
Wow

San Antonio, TX

#57 May 13, 2009
Leon wrote:
Bill & MAH you both don't get whats going on at all. As a black man ive seen this BS a hundred times. Take down the basketball courts to keep the scarey black people out, ignore our own teenagers vandalizing the park and slutting around in midriff shirts and ignore our troubled residents that dont have enough faith in the lord so they feel compelled to hang themselves. Lets keep our heads in the sand about our park and blame scarey black people for all the trouble there.
Here is the math
Basketball = Black = Bad
Tennis = White = Good
The only question I have is if the Board of Directors wears KKK Hoods at their monthly meeting.
Ive heard my neighbors talk about bad people coming into our park and doing bad things, by bad people: they mean BLACK people. Its a lot easier to blame the black people than it is to control your wild teenage kids. Its easy to blame outsiders and ignore your crappy parenting.
Spend $14,700 dollars on a tennis fence and leave the broken basketball goal as it is. Very nice you racist sicko's.
Leon

I hate to agree with you, but your math is right. I try and look at things with a open heart and mind, but I can't ignore your math and comments. I wish you were wrong, but you are right. The wild teenage kids, most of who live in Deer Creek is right, but its getting better than it was 2 or 3 years ago. Oh that was when the goals were up. I don't know about the crappy parenting, kids will be kids. Sure some parents are blind and just don't care. The midriff skirts/shirts see it all the time. Even bikinis walking down the street, we aint at the beach. Believe me that attracts all, even the constructions workers. I don't think the board is racist, but sometimes it hard to see things when you have not experienced them or have your own pre-conceived ideas of how things should be. Bottom Line: Goals need to go back up, the park needs to be cleaned up along with road along the park. The old tennis fence looked good to me.
Bill

Tampa, FL

#58 May 14, 2009
Wow wrote:
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Leon
I hate to agree with you, but your math is right. I try and look at things with a open heart and mind, but I can't ignore your math and comments. I wish you were wrong, but you are right. The wild teenage kids, most of who live in Deer Creek is right, but its getting better than it was 2 or 3 years ago. Oh that was when the goals were up. I don't know about the crappy parenting, kids will be kids. Sure some parents are blind and just don't care. The midriff skirts/shirts see it all the time. Even bikinis walking down the street, we aint at the beach. Believe me that attracts all, even the constructions workers. I don't think the board is racist, but sometimes it hard to see things when you have not experienced them or have your own pre-conceived ideas of how things should be. Bottom Line: Goals need to go back up, the park needs to be cleaned up along with road along the park. The old tennis fence looked good to me.
I try to avoid the socio cultural aspect of it simply because it's a very individual thing. Leon im very sorry you feel that you're community doesn't welcome you. Being in the military I am accustomed to diversity so your statements are hard to put my head around.

I agree with Leon and WOW that all of the equipment at the park needs to be brought back to original condition. If the HOA assumed the responsibility for maintaining something that does not imply that they can remove it because maintaining it is difficult.

I do not believe we have to choose between Tennis or Basketball, the HOA took over both and they have the obligation to maintain both. Removing or neglecting either of them is a dereliction of their duty.

I look forward to being around this year for the Annual meeting, and I hope we have a choice of people to vote from other than this existing board who in my opinion have lost their vigor and are devoid of any good ideas.

If they merely fixed the broken stuff they would have no complaints from me but they refuse to even do that.

Amazing to me that we collect $40 more per home than Greenshire in HOA Fee's ($110 at Greenshire), that's $20,000 annualized and the only discernible difference between the two is the existance of the park at Deer Creek but we budget only $5,000 for park maintenance. Maybe someone should seek advice from our neighboring communities and inquire how they are able to better manage their resources than we seem to be able to.
Schertz Resident

Saint Louis, MO

#60 May 16, 2009
This type of thing amazes me. How can a suicide of a poor man turn into a race issue. I thought we were supposed to be a community of Brothers and Sisters, yet, a man has committed suicide, and all of a sudden it is a race issue. And in my opinion, the reason you people are not hearing anything about this on the news is because most media policy is to not report on suicides, for respect of the family involved. Thoughts and prayers for the family involved.
Leon

El Paso, TX

#61 May 17, 2009
Schertz Resident wrote:
This type of thing amazes me. How can a suicide of a poor man turn into a race issue. I thought we were supposed to be a community of Brothers and Sisters, yet, a man has committed suicide, and all of a sudden it is a race issue. And in my opinion, the reason you people are not hearing anything about this on the news is because most media policy is to not report on suicides, for respect of the family involved. Thoughts and prayers for the family involved.
My comments are off topic. I empathize with the people impacted by the loss of life. I did not mean to connect this mans suicide with the catastrophe that is our park.

I do not connect the mans suicide to the deterioration of the park or to a board of directors who have taken away a recreation facility to lesson the number of black people near their houses. They are seperate issues.
1000 Percent

Weslaco, TX

#62 May 22, 2009
Leon, you are doing so well living up to stereotype. Shows how ignorant you are.

You know, racist people are the one that accuse others of being racist.

As Schertz Resident said, this thread was about death of a man and you've somehow turned into, "They are taking down the basketball court and building a tennis court so only WHITE people can play on it" cause everyone knows only WHITE people can play tennis. Maybe you should stop watching basketball and watch tennis for a change.
sas

San Antonio, TX

#63 May 26, 2009
Leon:
here's some off the best hoops players ever Venus & Serena Williams, opps soory that tennis.

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