Gun battle possible in Monroe death

Gun battle possible in Monroe death

There are 177 comments on the The Morning Call story from Dec 6, 2007, titled Gun battle possible in Monroe death. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

At 7 o'clock on Tuesday morning, Lee VanLuvender said goodbye to his family, left his home in Pocono Township and went to the woods to hunt.

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King Tut

Coaldale, PA

#159 Dec 6, 2007
The Patriot wrote:
I think the anti-hunting, PETA extremist have gone too far this time.
It's more inline with ALF.
King Tut

Coaldale, PA

#160 Dec 6, 2007
PITA wrote:
"I think all the hunters should just go in the woods and shoot eachother up. It's one way to get rid of them all. My thoughts are with all the deer they murdered. I guess now the deceased knows what it felt like to be shot by a hunter. Talk about Karma."
Wow, what an absolutely "un-human" thing to say! I am a friend of this guy. I can't believe the utter lack of respect in the world. Equating a deer and a human life for life. I am not only crying for my friend, I cry for people like yourself.
Please give my condolences to the family!
nopunintended

Philadelphia, PA

#161 Dec 6, 2007
What kind of coward doea something like that. I hope answers are found. God bless this young man's family. He sounded wonderful, and you were lucky to have him even for a short time. My prayers are with you.
King Tut

Coaldale, PA

#162 Dec 6, 2007
Mark wrote:
Honestly, I'm doing just fine knowing I have not intentionally taken anyone's life.
Mark wrote:
I think all the hunters should just go in the woods and shoot eachother up.
You antis sure have a funny way of showing your compassion for life...codemning the killing of game while condoning the killing of humans.
nopunintended

Philadelphia, PA

#163 Dec 6, 2007
holly wrote:
what is happening to this world?
That is a question I ask on a daily basis!
2nd amendment

Coaldale, PA

#164 Dec 6, 2007
Foxworthy wrote:
If you go out huntin' and get killed in a shoot out, YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK!!!!
Now that's funny.
2nd amendment

Coaldale, PA

#165 Dec 6, 2007
I heard this story before it hit the paper and I just knew the antis would be out saying that what happened was a good thing.

They really aren't all that concerned about life as they claim but instead are having a tough time dealing with deep personal issues.
ugh

Bethlehem, PA

#166 Dec 6, 2007
Truism wrote:
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Yes people who do not condone the killing and torture of animals are terrorists. Because why not get loaded and go in the woods jerk each other off and kill an animal just because it's there and we can. How great would life be if that rule held for all creatures? I could just shoot you because you were there. Hay Scott you know what fuck you for being there here is a 308 to the head. Jim ya hump I got a 5.56 for you and the misses. Excuse me waitress my coffee was cold...
All you hunters real men.
And it takes a bigger douchebag to threaten someone over the Intardnet.

You rule at life.
IM no hunter

Eau Claire, WI

#168 Dec 6, 2007
How many bullets are needed to kill a deer? I never hunt in my whole life and never had a gun but I do know that it only takes one bullet to kill a deer. I never understand why hunters bring tone of amo/bullets with them going hunting. If these smart law makers would put a limit on how many bullets are allowed when going hunting, shit like this won't happen that often. They had limit on pan fish and others. I have a suggestion for these lawmaker- 3 bullets are allowed when you are out on deer hunt. Fine is only $1.00 per bullet if you get caught. Tone of amo = tone of $. Need I say more or spell it out.

Sorry hunters...you may hate me and my stupid idea but mom and dad will thank me for it when that day comes.
Safe hunter

Eau Claire, WI

#169 Dec 6, 2007
Wow...I have read through all of these posts, pages and all I heard was:
- My heart goes all out to the family
- Sorry for shit like this happen
- Hope bad guy jail for life- on your tax $$$
- Complaint after complaints and no solution

Except this one from IM no hunter, he got a point. I am a safe hunter and I don't like that idea but the more I think about it- it does make sense. I don't want to see bullets flying at my behind when there is another quarrel in the woods.

Way to go...IM no hunter!!!
Fact

Albrightsville, PA

#170 Dec 7, 2007
Truism wrote:
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Ever watch a family of deer? They move as a family male, female and babies. We think we are gods and we have the right to destroy such beauty well fuck us. I love this type of thing!!! Again, I am no anti-gun Hill loving nut. I am a Marine and I disrupted family units in Panama, Iraq, & Kosovo. I sleep well at night because these people were murdering pricks but why kill an animal, because we can. A medal for the shooter as for the greiving family put dad's picture next to one of the many animal heads you have in the trophy room pop open a cold one and watch NASCAR re-runs.
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Reproduction and Care of the Young
Courtship activities among deer begin in mid-October. Bucks will chase does over a period of five or six days prior to mating. The buck will mate with a doe several times and remain with her for a few days keeping other males away. Eventually the two will separate and the male will go on to breed more does before the breeding or rutting period ends.
The buck provides no assistance to the female in caring for the fawn(s). In good habitat, many fawn does will be bred their first fall and give birth to a single fawn the following spring when they are only a year old. Most adult does will have twins and occasionally triplets. Fawns are born quickly with the doe either standing or lying down. Does may return to the same place each year to give birth. When born, male fawns weigh between 4 and 14 pounds, and females 3-8 pounds. Fawns are born with their eyes open and they are able to walk within an hour or two. Fawns will nurse two or three times a day for the first few days after birth and then return to thick cover after each meal. At about one month the fawns begin to accompany their mother when she goes to eat. The family group of mother and fawns will stay together until the following spring. At that time, the doe will return to her favorite fawning territory, excluding all deer, including her fawns, from this preferred area. Her doe fawns will remain in the general area and rejoin her sometime mid- to late summer. They will remain in proximity of their mother their entire life. Buck fawns, in most cases, will leave their birth area in the spring and travel great distances to set up new home ranges. Those bucks that don't leave in the spring will be forced to do so in the fall, both by their mother and other related females
Mark

Emmaus, PA

#171 Dec 7, 2007
You're out in the woods hunting and you take your chances of being shot. It's your choice.
The deer have no choice, their only crime is that a minority of the population wants to murder them and eat their dead bodies.
Sicko.
I think you need re-think your definition of compassion. Turning the compassion tables on those of us who don't want to see deer slaughtered is a really poor way of defending your position. Try again.
King Tut wrote:
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You antis sure have a funny way of showing your compassion for life...codemning the killing of game while condoning the killing of humans.
Mark

Emmaus, PA

#172 Dec 7, 2007
And all your ramblings mean what? That it's okay to murder a deer because the male runs off leaving the female? Or because they have twins and triplets?? I don't get what your point is.
Are you trying to justify slaughtering animals by pointing out deer familiy relationships? Who cares.
Killing is killing.
It's a really sick mind that tries to justify wrong doings so he can sleep at night.
Fact wrote:
<quoted text>.
Reproduction and Care of the Young
Courtship activities among deer begin in mid-October. Bucks will chase does over a period of five or six days prior to mating. The buck will mate with a doe several times and remain with her for a few days keeping other males away. Eventually the two will separate and the male will go on to breed more does before the breeding or rutting period ends.
The buck provides no assistance to the female in caring for the fawn(s). In good habitat, many fawn does will be bred their first fall and give birth to a single fawn the following spring when they are only a year old. Most adult does will have twins and occasionally triplets. Fawns are born quickly with the doe either standing or lying down. Does may return to the same place each year to give birth. When born, male fawns weigh between 4 and 14 pounds, and females 3-8 pounds. Fawns are born with their eyes open and they are able to walk within an hour or two. Fawns will nurse two or three times a day for the first few days after birth and then return to thick cover after each meal. At about one month the fawns begin to accompany their mother when she goes to eat. The family group of mother and fawns will stay together until the following spring. At that time, the doe will return to her favorite fawning territory, excluding all deer, including her fawns, from this preferred area. Her doe fawns will remain in the general area and rejoin her sometime mid- to late summer. They will remain in proximity of their mother their entire life. Buck fawns, in most cases, will leave their birth area in the spring and travel great distances to set up new home ranges. Those bucks that don't leave in the spring will be forced to do so in the fall, both by their mother and other related females
Mark

Emmaus, PA

#173 Dec 7, 2007
And the reason they have twins and triplets is because of hunting. Hunting increases populations which is what you nimrods count on.
Food plots add to the high populations, how about talking about that one? Why would a county plant food that deer like to draw them into the area when they claim there are too many deer?? Why??? Hmm, let's see, TO HAVE MORE DEER TO HUNT??
Could it be??
Hunters do whatever they choose to satisfy their thirst for killing. You can't go out into the woods and kill someone minding their own business and tell me you don't have issues.
..please...

...
Fact wrote:
<quoted text>.
Most adult does will have twins and occasionally triplets. Fawns are born quickly with the doe either standing or lying down. Does may return to the same place each year to give birth. When born, male fawns weigh between 4 and 14 pounds, and females 3-8 pounds. Fawns are born with their eyes open and they are able to walk within an hour or two. Fawns will nurse two or three times a day for the first few days after birth and then return to thick cover after each meal. At about one month the fawns begin to accompany their mother when she goes to eat. The family group of mother and fawns will stay together until the following spring. At that time, the doe will return to her favorite fawning territory, excluding all deer, including her fawns, from this preferred area. Her doe fawns will remain in the general area and rejoin her sometime mid- to late summer. They will remain in proximity of their mother their entire life. Buck fawns, in most cases, will leave their birth area in the spring and travel great distances to set up new home ranges. Those bucks that don't leave in the spring will be forced to do so in the fall, both by their mother and other related females
Lost Dutchman

Allentown, PA

#174 Dec 7, 2007
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Pita....you would be much safer with the animals than with most humans
Ah Mary from Beaver Meadows--as she writes, alone, miserable amid the stench of festering litter boxes and her 40 cats--having cast out humanity... her love life reduced to several torrid affairs with her right hand. If I had your life I'd shoot myself instead of deer.
2nd Amendment Dem

Lancaster, PA

#175 Dec 7, 2007
Someone sounds a bit angry to me. Mark just face facts a minority of the population hunts but the vast majority supports it and even greater majority eats meat. You can try and make yourself out to be the one saint in a crowd of sinners but no one is buying it. I am going to have to quote Mark Twain on you, "
There are many humorous things in the world; among them, the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages" Keep preaching from your high horse it is quite a laugh for the rest of us.
Lost Dutchman

Allentown, PA

#176 Dec 7, 2007
Mark wrote:
And the reason they have twins and triplets is because of hunting. Hunting increases populations which is what you nimrods count on.
Food plots add to the high populations, how about talking about that one? Why would a county plant food that deer like to draw them into the area when they claim there are too many deer?? Why??? Hmm, let's see, TO HAVE MORE DEER TO HUNT??
Could it be??
Hunters do whatever they choose to satisfy their thirst for killing. You can't go out into the woods and kill someone minding their own business and tell me you don't have issues.
..please...
...<quoted text>
Mark, I kill animals. I am a terrible person. I will answer to God--not you. Please move on with your life.
CRW

Allentown, PA

#177 Dec 7, 2007
The good Lord put deer on this earth to be slaughtered and made into sasauge, AMEN!!!
Barky von Schnauzer

Red Hill, PA

#178 Dec 7, 2007
Truism wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope he gets another hunter. Maybe someone taught the deer to shoot back. How warped he enjoyed killing animals. Humm seems that many serial killers also liked to kill animals but since its the 2nd week of December it's OK that makes him
fine.
I am not a fan of hunting. However, as long as I eat meat, I contribute to the slaughter of animals.
Unless you are vegetarian, you do too. My post was compassion for the family, that their son was murdered. Shot numerous times??? That is murder.
la salle

United States

#179 Dec 7, 2007
Mark wrote:
Scary Mary,
you're killing me here.
You poke fun at Mary because she thinks hunters are killers. Well, news flash - they are!
You call her a hag because because she thinks you suck. Well, I agree with her. You do suck.
Then you say she must not have a significant other because of her views of hunters..well, honestly, I have a significant other, a family, and pets with lots of friends and I agree with her.
Hunters do suck and most probably, if you think about the hunters you know, they either have anger or control issues. Maybe even some domestic violence thrown in. Or maybe they're just little wimpy guys who need to feel real big men and go out in the woods with real big guns..OR and the most likely of all possibilities, is that they all have really small dicks.
Way to go Mary - keep posting - there are lots of folks out here on your side!
..<quoted text>
YOU are a buffoon. I assure you that NONE of the hunters I know have these "so-called" issues that you speak of. What's your problem, anyway? Maybe you should hit the woods during hunting season and try to save all the deer from the bullets, if you are that worried about it.
Deer meat is delicious! and healthy!
Yum yum yum!!!
I would like you to tell my father he is a wimp for hunting...he he he.

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