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Concerned Taxpayer

West Frankfort, IL

#1 Mar 17, 2014
As per an article in the 03/16/14 issue of the Southern Illinoisan paper
Frankfort Unit 168 had an operating LOSS of $2,346,589.00 in fisical year 2013. This was an operational LOSS INCREASE of $1,041,922.00
from fiscal year 2012. The board's data showed Frankfort Unit 168 as
having ONLY 15 days worth of cash on hand. My question is how can the teachers in this school district in good faith ask for a raise. SHAME
ON THEM. If the cared about this school district they should volunteer to take a 10% cut in wages. The day of reckoning is near. DON'T try to
raise our PROPERTY TAXES. MAKE CUTS, lay off teachers & staff.
JEEZ

Carbondale, IL

#2 Mar 17, 2014
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
As per an article in the 03/16/14 issue of the Southern Illinoisan paper
Frankfort Unit 168 had an operating LOSS of $2,346,589.00 in fisical year 2013. This was an operational LOSS INCREASE of $1,041,922.00
from fiscal year 2012. The board's data showed Frankfort Unit 168 as
having ONLY 15 days worth of cash on hand. My question is how can the teachers in this school district in good faith ask for a raise. SHAME
ON THEM. If the cared about this school district they should volunteer to take a 10% cut in wages. The day of reckoning is near. DON'T try to
raise our PROPERTY TAXES. MAKE CUTS, lay off teachers & staff.
168 DOES NOT CARE about the city or its citizens, they only care about themselves. Their union and the IBEW will suck every bit of life out of the area and never once accept responsibility for killing a town.
2kbird

West Frankfort, IL

#3 Mar 17, 2014
Oh they made cuts alright. And I for one think mass culling Art and Music from the schools is unacceptable.
Johnny Ringo

Marion, IL

#4 Mar 18, 2014
You people need to realize that if you can't afford to pay your teachers, you can't afford to have your own school. Teachers deserve a cost of living increase, just like any other professional. You clowns want them to take a pay cut? How about we ask CIPS to take a pay cut and only pay them part of the monster bill we owe from February? After all, we're operating at a deficit, right? If they cared about our school, they would wave the bill and work for free.......think, people.
JEEZ

Carbondale, IL

#5 Mar 18, 2014
Johnny Ringo wrote:
You people need to realize that if you can't afford to pay your teachers, you can't afford to have your own school. Teachers deserve a cost of living increase, just like any other professional. You clowns want them to take a pay cut? How about we ask CIPS to take a pay cut and only pay them part of the monster bill we owe from February? After all, we're operating at a deficit, right? If they cared about our school, they would wave the bill and work for free.......think, people.
Idiot!!! the teachers get paid. No, not a pay cut, but it is irresponsible to suck a dying town down. It ISN'Tt a cost of living raise, F***head and you AREN'T a johnny ringo., you pay what you can and if the teachers don't like it, they can teach somewhere else. You don't pay a premium for generic education. Few are ready for college that come out FCHS. Try to keep you exaggerations down like your name. CIPS is no longer around, get with the times.

Concerned Taxpayer

West Frankfort, IL

#6 Mar 18, 2014
Johnny Ringo wrote:
You people need to realize that if you can't afford to pay your teachers, you can't afford to have your own school. Teachers deserve a cost of living increase, just like any other professional. You clowns want them to take a pay cut? How about we ask CIPS to take a pay cut and only pay them part of the monster bill we owe from February? After all, we're operating at a deficit, right? If they cared about our school, they would wave the bill and work for free.......think, people.
CIPS/Ameren Illinois is a public owned company. Stock is traded on the NYSE. Teachers &
our schools are taxpayer funded. Franklin County has the 2nd Highest property tax rate in the State of Illinois now & I don't think the taxpayers will stand for,another tax increase.
That leaves making cuts to school programs, sports, & laying off teachers & administrators.
Money does not grow on trees.
pfft

Marion, IL

#7 Mar 18, 2014
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
As per an article in the 03/16/14 issue of the Southern Illinoisan paper
Frankfort Unit 168 had an operating LOSS of $2,346,589.00 in fisical year 2013. This was an operational LOSS INCREASE of $1,041,922.00
from fiscal year 2012. The board's data showed Frankfort Unit 168 as
having ONLY 15 days worth of cash on hand. My question is how can the teachers in this school district in good faith ask for a raise. SHAME
ON THEM. If the cared about this school district they should volunteer to take a 10% cut in wages. The day of reckoning is near. DON'T try to
raise our PROPERTY TAXES. MAKE CUTS, lay off teachers & staff.
lets cut the school week down to four days and add an hour a day.the kids hardly ever go a full week in our district anyway.
Teachers can pay for their own continuing education and seminars they want to attend.Goins can pay for his own lunch...no more more free lunch for him.
If the district can't pay them get rid of them ,lay them off.If a teacher can't handle a few more in the class they don't need to be there.When I went to school,we had 30-31 students,now they cry if they have 20.A few more students must take away from the cell phone time,no time for texting.
outside observer

Olathe, KS

#8 Mar 18, 2014
A raise was not the issue nor has it ever been. The biggest hang up was language from what I have been told. The teachers are not in charge of finances in 168. And how about attend a board meeting if you feel so strongly about this. It drives me crazy when people like you...who are uuneducated about the whole situation come on here and spew your garbage. If taxes are raised...do you think it's the teachers who make that decision. According to the paper that 1 percent tax was spearheaded by someone way higher up than a teacher. Look at salaries...increases in salaries from top to bottom. Get educated on where the money is going. Look at the percentage of wage increases for administration and for teachers. Look at the number of administrative positions added in the last 5 years. It's public knowledge what teachers and administrators make....look it up and you will see how top heavy our district is. The cuts that are being made are all on the teachers and students end. I just wish people would get educated on the matter before coming on a website and voicing their concerns. Decisions need to be made with the students best interest....we will see if they are. Hopefully both parties do the right thing....that is all I'm going to say. I know a lot of people who are educators and what our state is going through is hard on them as well. Thank you
JEEZ

Carbondale, IL

#9 Mar 18, 2014
outside observer wrote:
A raise was not the issue nor has it ever been. The biggest hang up was language from what I have been told. The teachers are not in charge of finances in 168. And how about attend a board meeting if you feel so strongly about this. It drives me crazy when people like you...who are uuneducated about the whole situation come on here and spew your garbage. If taxes are raised...do you think it's the teachers who make that decision. According to the paper that 1 percent tax was spearheaded by someone way higher up than a teacher. Look at salaries...increases in salaries from top to bottom. Get educated on where the money is going. Look at the percentage of wage increases for administration and for teachers. Look at the number of administrative positions added in the last 5 years. It's public knowledge what teachers and administrators make....look it up and you will see how top heavy our district is. The cuts that are being made are all on the teachers and students end. I just wish people would get educated on the matter before coming on a website and voicing their concerns. Decisions need to be made with the students best interest....we will see if they are. Hopefully both parties do the right thing....that is all I'm going to say. I know a lot of people who are educators and what our state is going through is hard on them as well. Thank you
BULL S***!
Concerned Taxpayer

West Frankfort, IL

#10 Mar 18, 2014
outside observer wrote:
A raise was not the issue nor has it ever been. The biggest hang up was language from what I have been told. The teachers are not in charge of finances in 168. And how about attend a board meeting if you feel so strongly about this. It drives me crazy when people like you...who are uuneducated about the whole situation come on here and spew your garbage. If taxes are raised...do you think it's the teachers who make that decision. According to the paper that 1 percent tax was spearheaded by someone way higher up than a teacher. Look at salaries...increases in salaries from top to bottom. Get educated on where the money is going. Look at the percentage of wage increases for administration and for teachers. Look at the number of administrative positions added in the last 5 years. It's public knowledge what teachers and administrators make....look it up and you will see how top heavy our district is. The cuts that are being made are all on the teachers and students end. I just wish people would get educated on the matter before coming on a website and voicing their concerns. Decisions need to be made with the students best interest....we will see if they are. Hopefully both parties do the right thing....that is all I'm going to say. I know a lot of people who are educators and what our state is going through is hard on them as well. Thank you
Sounds to me like you are a teacher & don't want your gravy train to come to an end.
wtf

Mount Vernon, IL

#11 Mar 18, 2014
If the teachers ACTUALLY TAUGHT then there would be no problem I think! When you have fatass GOINS who doesn't do shit for this town or school district. All he does is play golf with his buddies and that's how you get your teaching jobs! IT doesn't matter if you are a good teacher, as long as you jerk goins off and play golf with him you are set! Not to mention he keeps getting a raise when he just sits his fatass behind a desk all day. He was kicked out of tville so why in the hell did wf get him!
Then what

Hixson, TN

#12 Mar 18, 2014
outside observer wrote:
A raise was not the issue nor has it ever been. The biggest hang up was language from what I have been told. The teachers are not in charge of finances in 168. And how about attend a board meeting if you feel so strongly about this. It drives me crazy when people like you...who are uuneducated about the whole situation come on here and spew your garbage. If taxes are raised...do you think it's the teachers who make that decision. According to the paper that 1 percent tax was spearheaded by someone way higher up than a teacher. Look at salaries...increases in salaries from top to bottom. Get educated on where the money is going. Look at the percentage of wage increases for administration and for teachers. Look at the number of administrative positions added in the last 5 years. It's public knowledge what teachers and administrators make....look it up and you will see how top heavy our district is. The cuts that are being made are all on the teachers and students end. I just wish people would get educated on the matter before coming on a website and voicing their concerns. Decisions need to be made with the students best interest....we will see if they are. Hopefully both parties do the right thing....that is all I'm going to say. I know a lot of people who are educators and what our state is going through is hard on them as well. Thank you
. The additional administration that you refer, were already being funded as the payment for our membership within the Franklin-Jefferson Special Education Co-op for group administration. West Frankfort Unit District. 168 chose to get out of the Co-op in order to better serve our own kids with our own resources. Just looking at percentages of a small group of individuals does not show the entire story. Our administration overall benefits match up pretty well with a district our size. Look around and compare our district teachers and administrators numbers to our peers. Our teachers,staff and administrators make good salaries for the good jobs they do. Unfortunately when resources are cut and people want even reasonable increases to their benefits, programs and people will have to be reduced to pay for the increases of others. Unfortunately, programs and personnel not directly tied to school testing will be reduced first. Our overall quality of education goes down but we still can meet payroll. The State of Illinois school funding is a mess. Without full funding from the state, it can only get worse.
redbird

United States

#13 Mar 18, 2014
Then what wrote:
<quoted text>. The additional administration that you refer, were already being funded as the payment for our membership within the Franklin-Jefferson Special Education Co-op for group administration. West Frankfort Unit District. 168 chose to get out of the Co-op in order to better serve our own kids with our own resources. Just looking at percentages of a small group of individuals does not show the entire story. Our administration overall benefits match up pretty well with a district our size. Look around and compare our district teachers and administrators numbers to our peers. Our teachers,staff and administrators make good salaries for the good jobs they do. Unfortunately when resources are cut and people want even reasonable increases to their benefits, programs and people will have to be reduced to pay for the increases of others. Unfortunately, programs and personnel not directly tied to school testing will be reduced first. Our overall quality of education goes down but we still can meet payroll. The State of Illinois school funding is a mess. Without full funding from the state, it can only get worse.
That's my biggest issue with the teachers take on this issue. There seems to be a lot of "creative math" and misdirection that points to the admins as the "problem". If we want to get real, and see where the "top heavy" salaries really are, let's take a peek at the number of admins and their overall salaries compared to the number of teachers and their combined salaries. There are no comparisons.

For me it's not so much the fact of what everyone makes. It's more the fact that when the teachers seem to have their minds set on a particular goal, they're ywilling to throw any and everyone (including the people they work for) under the bus to achieve their goal. Some one said "you blame the teachers for the funding short fall" that's not the case. Although it does seem a little self-righteous that they're willing to do and say whatever it takes to get the so called "cost of living increase" no matter who they publicly vilify. How many complaints were aired about the admins prior to contract negotiations? How many have popped up after the fact?
pfft

Marion, IL

#14 Mar 18, 2014
wtf wrote:
If the teachers ACTUALLY TAUGHT then there would be no problem I think! When you have fatass GOINS who doesn't do shit for this town or school district. All he does is play golf with his buddies and that's how you get your teaching jobs! IT doesn't matter if you are a good teacher, as long as you jerk goins off and play golf with him you are set! Not to mention he keeps getting a raise when he just sits his fatass behind a desk all day. He was kicked out of tville so why in the hell did wf get him!
all good points,but I don't think he was kicked out of tville,he kept applying for jobs elsewhere and threatening to leave ,he spent all the money he could there and moved on up to the suckers in west frankfort.we pay more and yet our kids can't even get an education as good as tville kids do..are you wondering why? the staff there cares and they actually do teach the students.They DO earn the paycheck,and it's peanuts in comparison to wf The school board stays on top of education and the admin does to.I've heard it said before that a fool and their money is soon parted...guess what WF,our money is gone for educational programs and we are the fools. lets hire and pay big bucks to our friends and family and lets give goins a big raise,just because....
redbird

United States

#15 Mar 18, 2014
pfft wrote:
<quoted text>all good points,but I don't think he was kicked out of tville,he kept applying for jobs elsewhere and threatening to leave ,he spent all the money he could there and moved on up to the suckers in west frankfort.we pay more and yet our kids can't even get an education as good as tville kids do..are you wondering why? the staff there cares and they actually do teach the students.They DO earn the paycheck,and it's peanuts in comparison to wf The school board stays on top of education and the admin does to.I've heard it said before that a fool and their money is soon parted...guess what WF,our money is gone for educational programs and we are the fools. lets hire and pay big bucks to our friends and family and lets give goins a big raise,just because....
I'll take a guess.....is it because the residents of Thompsonville can form a complete sentence and are aware of the rules of punctuation?
Johnny Ringo

Marion, IL

#16 Mar 19, 2014
JEEZ wrote:
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Idiot!!! the teachers get paid. No, not a pay cut, but it is irresponsible to suck a dying town down. It ISN'Tt a cost of living raise, F***head and you AREN'T a johnny ringo., you pay what you can and if the teachers don't like it, they can teach somewhere else. You don't pay a premium for generic education. Few are ready for college that come out FCHS. Try to keep you exaggerations down like your name. CIPS is no longer around, get with the times.
Lol. I'm a "idiot" because I speak the truth?
I'll try to dumb it down for you, but I doubt you'll understand because it doesn't contain any profanity.
Meeting payroll is just another bill you must pay. Electricity, food services, non-certified help, etc. It is not the responsibility of the employee or contracted service to check the district's bank account and adjust their bill. What the teachers' local is asking for does NOT even amount to COL raise. They ARE doing the district a favor. Meanwhile, you will foolishly let the good teachers that we do have slip away to other districts willing to pay their talent.
Morons.
Johnny Ringo

Marion, IL

#17 Mar 19, 2014
JEEZ wrote:
<quoted text>
BULL S***!
Now there's a well thought out reply.

But, there's not much else you can say when you've been slapped in the face with the truth and you look foolish....
Concerned Taxpayer

West Frankfort, IL

#18 Mar 19, 2014
Johnny Ringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. I'm a "idiot" because I speak the truth?
I'll try to dumb it down for you, but I doubt you'll understand because it doesn't contain any profanity.
Meeting payroll is just another bill you must pay. Electricity, food services, non-certified help, etc. It is not the responsibility of the employee or contracted service to check the district's bank account and adjust their bill. What the teachers' local is asking for does NOT even amount to COL raise. They ARE doing the district a favor. Meanwhile, you will foolishly let the good teachers that we do have slip away to other districts willing to pay their talent.
Morons.
If the money is not there, and it isn't electricty, food services, non-certified help, teachers, administrators, ect. will have to be cut. Money does not grow on trees & the school can't print it. Its time to face the economic reality of the situation.
hmmm

Marion, IL

#19 Mar 19, 2014
Johnny Ringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. I'm a "idiot" because I speak the truth?
I'll try to dumb it down for you, but I doubt you'll understand because it doesn't contain any profanity.
Meeting payroll is just another bill you must pay. Electricity, food services, non-certified help, etc. It is not the responsibility of the employee or contracted service to check the district's bank account and adjust their bill. What the teachers' local is asking for does NOT even amount to COL raise. They ARE doing the district a favor. Meanwhile, you will foolishly let the good teachers that we do have slip away to other districts willing to pay their talent.
Morons.
doing the district a favor,surely you jest! The "good" teachers will stay!They are the ones that truly care for the well being of the district,and the rest are like goins,they apply elsewhere but nobody else will have them,and they can't
get a job because they don't know anyone or have family already in another district.West Frankfort has very few real teachers.That piece of paper from a university means nothing if you can't do the job
Then what

Hixson, TN

#20 Mar 19, 2014
Johnny Ringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. I'm a "idiot" because I speak the truth?
I'll try to dumb it down for you, but I doubt you'll understand because it doesn't contain any profanity.
Meeting payroll is just another bill you must pay. Electricity, food services, non-certified help, etc. It is not the responsibility of the employee or contracted service to check the district's bank account and adjust their bill. What the teachers' local is asking for does NOT even amount to COL raise. They ARE doing the district a favor. Meanwhile, you will foolishly let the good teachers that we do have slip away to other districts willing to pay their talent.
Morons.
1/3 of the teachers may not care where the money comes from because they live outside the district. The others most likely have a vested interest because they are paying taxes. The union has representation at every meeting and receive the same financial information the school board receives and by law it is posted for every citizen that cares. It does everyone (teacher, taxpayers, admin. etc.) a disservice for some to selectivity point out deficiencies of board spending either with admin. or staff only during a contract year, then go into hibernation the until the next cycle. The amount anyone in the in the district is asking for is irrelevant,if the increase to my salary is at the expense of your salary and job. Teachers and all staff members do deserve a raise, but give names of programs and people to cut first , because the state is sending less and less. Everyone in the Frankfort school district does a great job with the resources they have. Good talent does not slip away once hired. I can't name many who have left for a better job. It's a job for a lifetime.

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