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Aug 28, 2012
 
"DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

In Congress, July 4, 1776 A DECLARATION By the REPRESENTATIVES of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS assembled.

When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one. People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the seperate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitled them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World. "
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Aug 29, 2012
 
Hi Abe, I sure hope you are having a good day? Did everything stay ok over at your place during the storm? I gotta ask you what you think of them presents Momma and me sent ya? I got those for my best friend. You know my daddy went off to Korea just like you! Did you get to meet anyone important there? Oh and uh wood you send me that cat fish breading recipe you got? Momma is excited cents you said you would give it to us. Didn't your
Momma invent that recipe? Momma said she liked your momma she said she and her was a lot alike. Being single momma like they wuz.
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Aug 29, 2012
 
Abe, I don't believe that many really give a hoot about the Declaration of Independence. If they did, then how can so many, be so willing, to vote away their rights? As a fact, I'll bet that over 75% of the people in the United States haven't a clue what the Declaration stands for. And, for that reason alone, I believe you have posted a reminder of it here. Thanks, for reminding us of our freedoms and how we should vote...

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Abe, I don't believe that many really give a hoot about the Declaration of Independence. If they did, then how can so many, be so willing, to vote away their rights? As a fact, I'll bet that over 75% of the people in the United States haven't a clue what the Declaration stands for. And, for that reason alone, I believe you have posted a reminder of it here. Thanks, for reminding us of our freedoms and how we should vote...
IMHO, regrettably you are more than likely right in your assessment of the people in the United States. At any rate, I just wanted to remind people not only of their rights, but as the DOI says,,, their obligations when they find themselves confronted with a government that no longer serves the function to which it was established.
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If ya'll would forgive me if some of this sounds odd. I might not say it like it should be said but here goes. We all talk about voting out people and voting in someone who will stand up and do what's right. Well, every time I vote, I try to vote someone in who will do that very thing and shazam, they roll over and play ignorant.I mean dead. Sometimes I think we vote people in just to vote people out. Take Mr. Taylor for instance. Everyone wanted Mrs. Cook out so badly, they voted Joe in. When the next vote rolls around, it could be Joe out, Pat Aukima in. We've got Mr. Brown in and in 90 days people will be telling us that this great and wonderful candidate is a scoundrel and all the bad things he's done. How can you really tell a trustworthy candidate anymore? Lying is to easy, deception is to quick, and dishonest, backroom deals to convienent,and a man's word being his bond is over. I'm just saying that most office holders should hang their heads in shame and be grieved to look their friends in the face. How do you really know anymore?

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Aug 30, 2012
 
JUST WONDERING wrote:
If ya'll would forgive me if some of this sounds odd. I might not say it like it should be said but here goes. We all talk about voting out people and voting in someone who will stand up and do what's right. Well, every time I vote, I try to vote someone in who will do that very thing and shazam, they roll over and play ignorant.I mean dead. Sometimes I think we vote people in just to vote people out. Take Mr. Taylor for instance. Everyone wanted Mrs. Cook out so badly, they voted Joe in. When the next vote rolls around, it could be Joe out, Pat Aukima in. We've got Mr. Brown in and in 90 days people will be telling us that this great and wonderful candidate is a scoundrel and all the bad things he's done. How can you really tell a trustworthy candidate anymore? Lying is to easy, deception is to quick, and dishonest, backroom deals to convienent,and a man's word being his bond is over. I'm just saying that most office holders should hang their heads in shame and be grieved to look their friends in the face. How do you really know anymore?
IMHO, your post was well written and your point well made. Yes! Those voted in do present an appearance of being ignorant of the promises made to the constituents, but IMHO it is not a matter of being what they want to do, but rather what they find to be one of their requirements of office. You see, they sign a contract with a nefarious entity which exists only in concept ... that entity does not care about the constituents but is self-serving and requires those elected to also serve that concept rather than those which put him/her in office. That entity requires the elected to abandon any sense of 'right' and to take on an attitude of indifference toward any morality other than the morality of 'self'(namely the self of the entity).

As to your bottom line question and what appears to be the plight you are attempting to resolve.... discernment is the answer... Most politicians are expert WYSIWYG players (What You See Is What You Get). They know that the voters will vote by their perception of what is presented, so they play the necessary role that will win the sentiments of the majority of voters merely to obtain those votes. Then when the voting process is over, the contract with that nefarious entity takes over as a matter of contract law and the real self is revealed by the actions they take while serving that conceptual being. Judge them by their actions (deeds) not according to their appearance. If they tell a lie regarding a small issue, then there is a greater possibility that they will also tell a lie regarding the greater issues.
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Aug 30, 2012
 
JUST WONDERING wrote:
If ya'll would forgive me if some of this sounds odd. I might not say it like it should be said but here goes. We all talk about voting out people and voting in someone who will stand up and do what's right. Well, every time I vote, I try to vote someone in who will do that very thing and shazam, they roll over and play ignorant.I mean dead. Sometimes I think we vote people in just to vote people out. Take Mr. Taylor for instance. Everyone wanted Mrs. Cook out so badly, they voted Joe in. When the next vote rolls around, it could be Joe out, Pat Aukima in. We've got Mr. Brown in and in 90 days people will be telling us that this great and wonderful candidate is a scoundrel and all the bad things he's done. How can you really tell a trustworthy candidate anymore? Lying is to easy, deception is to quick, and dishonest, backroom deals to convienent,and a man's word being his bond is over. I'm just saying that most office holders should hang their heads in shame and be grieved to look their friends in the face. How do you really know anymore?
You don't know, but you don't quit just because society is full of lying hypocrites. If we have to try out everyone to weed out the bad, then that is what we will do. If you don't believe anyone is worthy of your vote, then run for office, be resolute, and foster change in whatever capacity you can. But, do not give up, for when we give up, they win!

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Aug 30, 2012
 
Give me a break wrote:
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You don't know, but you don't quit just because society is full of lying hypocrites. If we have to try out everyone to weed out the bad, then that is what we will do. If you don't believe anyone is worthy of your vote, then run for office, be resolute, and foster change in whatever capacity you can. But, do not give up, for when we give up, they win!
Who said anything about quitting? I did not see any indication of anyone quitting... he just asked a question. To say that you don't know is giving a present tense condition of mind, but does not preclude a future tense condition of mind. In other words, it is possible to 'know' before the votes are cast.
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Aug 31, 2012
 
think I will run next time.....can I live off what they make are is it a part time job?...I would be new blood, and dont care who,s toes I step on
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Aug 31, 2012
 
Abe Ibdeec wrote:
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Who said anything about quitting? I did not see any indication of anyone quitting... he just asked a question. To say that you don't know is giving a present tense condition of mind, but does not preclude a future tense condition of mind. In other words, it is possible to 'know' before the votes are cast.
Nope! It is not possible to know a liar unless you can read his heart prior to seeing it in his actions. Not even the all seeing and all knowing Abe....

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Nope! It is not possible to know a liar unless you can read his heart prior to seeing it in his actions. Not even the all seeing and all knowing Abe....
Have you ever declared that someone was telling a lie? Do you now or did you then KNOW or were able to read his/her heart/soul/spirit? Didn't I call ABF a liar because of his/her claim of knowing me and of being my mulatto son? Yes! I did! Why because I know that I am NOT any of the things that he/she/it claimed. If a person is caught telling a lie, then that person is a LIAR. It is in fact the actions that I have spoken about... Speaking or writing is an action,,, and a lie can be detected through those actions. Of course, when the all seeing and all knowing "Give me a break" refers to someone as a liar, it is because that 'all seeing and all knowing' "Give me a break" has looked into the hearts of others and KNOWS who is a liar.

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Voting these days is a sham, all your vote really does is give your consent to be governed. The simple fact is that we out number those that make the rules for us and we can stop them anytime we as a majority remove our consent..

If you vote for someone just because they belong to the same party as you even though they are not an idealogical peer(the lesser of two evils) then you/we deserve what we get.

Maybe someday people will open their eyes and see what's going on of course it will probably take a catastrophe like an EMP device that destroys television. With no stupid shows or endless hours of sports to watch maybe the public will once again study their duties as a citizen in a free society..I'm not holding my breath though

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Aug 31, 2012
 
DTOM2010 wrote:
Voting these days is a sham, all your vote really does is give your consent to be governed. The simple fact is that we out number those that make the rules for us and we can stop them anytime we as a majority remove our consent..
If you vote for someone just because they belong to the same party as you even though they are not an idealogical peer(the lesser of two evils) then you/we deserve what we get.
Maybe someday people will open their eyes and see what's going on of course it will probably take a catastrophe like an EMP device that destroys television. With no stupid shows or endless hours of sports to watch maybe the public will once again study their duties as a citizen in a free society..I'm not holding my breath though
I fully concur with your comments.
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Abe Ibdeec wrote:
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Have you ever declared that someone was telling a lie? Do you now or did you then KNOW or were able to read his/her heart/soul/spirit? Didn't I call ABF a liar because of his/her claim of knowing me and of being my mulatto son? Yes! I did! Why because I know that I am NOT any of the things that he/she/it claimed. If a person is caught telling a lie, then that person is a LIAR. It is in fact the actions that I have spoken about... Speaking or writing is an action,,, and a lie can be detected through those actions. Of course, when the all seeing and all knowing "Give me a break" refers to someone as a liar, it is because that 'all seeing and all knowing' "Give me a break" has looked into the hearts of others and KNOWS who is a liar.
I like you Abe, even though I disagree with you sometimes. I like you because you are a thoughtful, you get to the point and you seem to be a straight shooter. None the less, I think you need to absorb what people say, instead of being so quick to run them down so quickly, just so you can show them how much better you are than them.

Read it again, "Nope! It is not possible to know a liar unless you can read his heart prior to seeing it in his actions. Not even the all-seeing and all-knowing Abe...."

First, I can call someone a liar based on the evidence that goes directly against their claims, period! When any personís actions are in direct conflict with what they claim to be true, it can be said, factually, that they are a liar. It is self-evident. This does not require me to judge their heart, because they have put into action the lie, and are proving themselves to be a liar. On the other hand, one may be a liar, and because there is no tangible evidence convicting them as one, I cannot declare them as a liar, because I cannot know their motives until the evidence proves them to be one. I say it is impossible to know that anyone is a liar until the evidence proves them to be one. These politicians will say anything to get your vote, and, we have no way to know their true intentions, until they get into office and it becomes evident that they have lied. I apologize for the sarcasm, but when dealing with you, there does not seem to be a middle ground and everything that anyone says you take as literal, and not in a figurative sense. Why is it this way for you?

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Aug 31, 2012
 
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I like you Abe, even though I disagree with you sometimes. I like you because you are a thoughtful, you get to the point and you seem to be a straight shooter. None the less, I think you need to absorb what people say, instead of being so quick to run them down so quickly, just so you can show them how much better you are than them.
I will receive the above commentary as being complimentary and will say "Thank You". Just for the record and as a public announcement (once again) I do not think that I am better than anyone on this forum or in this community. It is your perception of me that causes you to think that I am attempting to put myself above everyone else. You are in error on that judgment.
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Read it again, "Nope! It is not possible to know a liar unless you can read his heart prior to seeing it in his actions. Not even the all-seeing and all-knowing Abe...."

And allow me to explain one more time: His words are actions, whether they be spoken or written. So, if the words portray something that is not in accord with truth, then the one sending forth those words is a liar. Know the truth, and you can clearly ascertain whether or not a person is a liar. You don't necessarily have to wait until a person is placed in office to make such discriminatory judgment on his/her words. A candidate for office can, upon much inquiry be caused to reveal a lie that he/she has previously stated, thus making him or her a liar, based upon his actions.. NOT READING HIS/HER HEART.

[QUOTE who="Give me a break"]First, I can call someone a liar based on the evidence that goes directly against their claims, period! When any personís actions are in direct conflict with what they claim to be true, it can be said, factually, that they are a liar.
It is becoming clear that we are saying the same thing, but using different language and manner of expression.
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It is self-evident. This does not require me to judge their heart, because they have put into action the lie, and are proving themselves to be a liar.
Absolutely... the Bible plainly states that "you shall know them by their fruits". If he/she is a liar, you will know it when the lie is revealed.
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On the other hand, one may be a liar, and because there is no tangible evidence convicting them as one, I cannot declare them as a liar, because I cannot know their motives until the evidence proves them to be one. I say it is impossible to know that anyone is a liar until the evidence proves them to be one. These politicians will say anything to get your vote, and, we have no way to know their true intentions, until they get into office and it becomes evident that they have lied.
Again I have to disagree, because a person can be put in a position of proving his/her claim. If they cannot prove the claim, then they are guilty of having told a lie. Plain and simple. As for the intentions of the heart... that too can be found out before the elections are executed.
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I apologize for the sarcasm, but when dealing with you, there does not seem to be a middle ground and everything that anyone says you take as literal, and not in a figurative sense. Why is it this way for you?
No apologies are necessary. You have not done anything wrongful toward me with the writing you have published. You have expressed your opinion and that is well and fine. I accept it as your opinion.

In answer to your last question... I am that way, because there is no middle ground. A person is either truthful or a person is not truthful.

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Aug 31, 2012
 
Hey Fellows let's face everyone has told a lie at one time in their lives.

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Hey Fellows let's face everyone has told a lie at one time in their lives.
No argument from me on that one... so I guess that operating under that premise, everyone of us are liars or liars that are liars for the fun of it, or liars that are striving to no longer be a liar, else a former liar. Now I wonder where the glory is in being a liar.

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Sep 2, 2012
 
There is absolutely no glory in being a liar Abe. I just bring this up to say that just calling someone a liar is kind of benign. Now if you call them a perpetual liar or a chronic liar or a pathalogical liar that has more meaning and separates them from the rest of us. All of us are liars at some time in our life then there are those in the above descriptions that make a career out of it...Just my 2 cents worth.

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DTOM2010 wrote:
There is absolutely no glory in being a liar Abe. I just bring this up to say that just calling someone a liar is kind of benign. Now if you call them a perpetual liar or a chronic liar or a pathalogical liar that has more meaning and separates them from the rest of us. All of us are liars at some time in our life then there are those in the above descriptions that make a career out of it...Just my 2 cents worth.
Good point dtom. A cake with icing or a salad with all the fixins are both more palatable than just dry cake or plain lettuce. I will keep that thought in mind next time I have to refer to someone as a 'liar'... I will be sure to add some decor.
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Sep 3, 2012
 
It is quite obvious that Sandra Cook was only voted against. They truly don't think Taylor has a clue how to handle a parent upset about issues with their child when he has never stepped foot in a classroom. The other well I think we all know she speaks fŰr herself. Cool made lots of mistakes and acknowledges it. Anyone will going into a job such as that. Bet either of tE other two will be a nightmare. You didn't vote for joe. You voted against Sandra. Time will tell.

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