Scam hits Calvary Chapel Chino Hills ...

Scam hits Calvary Chapel Chino Hills hard

There are 325 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Jan 5, 2010, titled Scam hits Calvary Chapel Chino Hills hard. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

The arrest of an Ontario man accused of embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from church coffers has shocked and angered the Calvary Chapel Chino Hills community.

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ConcernedParent

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#310 Jul 5, 2010
Rexx wrote:
LOL pathetic, First off Calvary Chapels do not accept membership, 2.They don't ever demand money. 3.The leaders I know do not live in luxury. 4. They are not psycic to see into someones soul and know if they are alqaida, or a sleeper cell jihadist thief. Jesus had a thief among his group, and we know He's the Messiah of the world. Wa wa waaaa !! sorry to burst your bubble.
I have been to a few of their homes. That's not true they don't live in luxury. The smaller churches that are Calvary Chapel yes you are right but Chino, Chino Hills, Costa Mesa Golden Springs they all have very nice houses and luxuries I assume partially come as gifts from parishioners.
Advocate for HIM

AOL

#312 Jul 22, 2010
Lets get it straight wrote:
First of all the Pastor here drives a Ford and lives in a 1500sq ft house, pretty greedy ? The staff member charged was not in charge of the finances, there is a well staffed group of accountants who have very strict checks and balances, your statments to the contrary show your ignorance to this matter of church finances.
I understand what you are saying here and PLEASE I do agree ... but, there are professional so called pastors who know how to con the people. By that, they will manipulate by living in small homes, driving cars that are late in years ... don't be deceived! take a look at comment 302. Live for HIM
bearer of bad news

Upland, CA

#313 Sep 16, 2010
Advocate for HIM wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you are saying here and PLEASE I do agree ... but, there are professional so called pastors who know how to con the people. By that, they will manipulate by living in small homes, driving cars that are late in years ... don't be deceived! take a look at comment 302. Live for HIM
To see if there is another home check the orange county tax rolls and county recorder for a $ 1,400,0000 purchase price home before splash pools put in a pool, and other amenities were added under the ownership of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills. Pull the deed and read the name of the man who signed the documents. The property is currently leased out for $ 4,000.00 a month.

The truth is there for those who will look.
Questions

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#314 Sep 18, 2010
Speaking of property, does anyone know who owns the church property?

I ask because there was a situation a while back where a Calvary pastor lost his dove due to a prostitution arrest but remains the owner of the church. It seems as if most CC pastors personally own their churches, that the property and buildings are not owned by the church.
hermit

San Diego, CA

#317 Oct 12, 2010
Most criminals in California jails claim to be Christians.
jesse acosta

Dallas, TX

#318 Nov 9, 2010
It sucks this had to happen but its part of gods plan..just remember what ever happends in life jesus loves you...alot..so lets move on..and not judge one another only god can judge..take care and god bless!!!

jesse acosta
pomona ca
romans 1:16
doubtful

Honolulu, HI

#319 Dec 12, 2010
How many have noticed that nepotism runs rampant in CC?
Jack

Cypress, CA

#320 Feb 10, 2011
A thief stealing from a thief, imagine that.
layme

Upland, CA

#321 Feb 18, 2011
Corruption in church??? Whaaaaat???
TTflyer

Palm Bay, FL

#322 Mar 2, 2011
These churches are all scams...stupid, gulliable people go to them and give these fraudsters money...geeezzzz...stupid...
natalie

Union City, GA

#323 Mar 28, 2011
ConcernedParent wrote:
The minute the article detailed how he was from Pakistan and had been another religion before converting to Christianity I knew that's where the comments would stay focused.
Changing the subject, isn't that an awful lot of money on hand for a church? That's the first thing I thought but I guess the Pakistan comments really took people's mind off that detail.
i can understand what you're saying but he didnt' take all that money at one time, and with any embezzlement story you read its going to go into a little detail of the persons background. so don't think this guy is being singled out just because he was from pakistan. it was over a course of 4 years. i used to go to this same calvary chapel before i moved to georgia a year ago. there were 3 church services because so many people attended there couldn't be just one. the main sanctuary seats a little over a couple thousand people and was packed full every service. so, if only a 1000 of those people gave 10 dollars every sunday for a year that would be 480,000 dollars. and the money he stole was over the course of 4 years. when pastor jacks daughter got married every body in the congregation was invited (i didn't go so i'm not sure how many people were there) and alot of people sent gift cards and those were locked away in the church's safe. his daughter never got those gift cards because ahmed took them.
i thought it was great that pastor jack had someone like ahmed on his church staff. yes because of him being from pakistan. i try not to stereo type but after 9/11 its obviously difficult. so i thought it was great that pastor jack trusted someone like ahmed. it helped me realize that not all pakistans, iraqis, all of those people are not bad. yes this guy made a huge mistake. he new there was alot of money and his greed got the better of him. i'm sure that this isn't the only church its happened to either. i just pray that his wife and children are ok and that he's learned from his mistake and wont do anything like this again.
nadinerx1012

Van Nuys, CA

#324 May 1, 2011
I have been attending calvary chapel chino hills for 5 years already.... this is not a mega church by no means what so ever... those who are making these horrible judgements about the church or anyone are going to have to answer to God one day... I will pray for those people... it is not fair to bring judgement upon a man of God who soul purpose is to do the will of God.... it is sad what happened at the church with the stealing of money, but why turn this into a racist thing... so what if he was muslim... does God judge you because your skin tone is different from others or because the faith you were taught as a child was not of christ loving?? Why should that even be an issue... like others have said do your research and/or attend this church before you pass judgement....
15 plus years at ccch

Temple City, CA

#325 Aug 29, 2012
for the record jack drives a 40000 ford expedition fully loaded and he and the church purchased a million dollar home down by the beach in 2007 near his buddy Tom Jordan who is also a board member at CCCH Tom owns an 80000 range rover and is the guy who "runs" the fred jordan mission in LA i wonder what all of those homelees people think of toms million plus dolar home and his expensive taste in cars. oh jack did a room addition and built a pool a few years back so the house is about 2000 sq ft and its value back in the peak of 2005 2006 was probably $700000 to $800000 not exactly the ghetto also he has been to hawaii spain france russia dc arruba cabo etc about 50 times or more since i've known him he lives like a ROCK STAR he calls it ministry who is ministering to who ???? Will a man rob God to quote Malachi if you ask me Guys like jack rob God every Day in the name of "ministry" oh yeah jack and lisas combined salaries are in excess of 150,000 easily especially when you look at all of the bills the church pays cell car gas etc.PAUL THE APOSTLE HAD QUITE A DIFFERENT WAY OF MINISTERING THAN THE ROCK STAR PASTORS OF AMERICA TODAY.I HAVE A FEELING MANY WILL BE PUT TO SHAME WHEN THEY STAND BEFORE GOD
Questions

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#326 Sep 7, 2012
15 plus years at ccch wrote:
for the record jack drives a 40000 ford expedition fully loaded and he and the church purchased a million dollar home down by the beach in 2007 near his buddy Tom Jordan who is also a board member at CCCH Tom owns an 80000 range rover and is the guy who "runs" the fred jordan mission in LA i wonder what all of those homelees people think of toms million plus dolar home and his expensive taste in cars. oh jack did a room addition and built a pool a few years back so the house is about 2000 sq ft and its value back in the peak of 2005 2006 was probably $700000 to $800000 not exactly the ghetto also he has been to hawaii spain france russia dc arruba cabo etc about 50 times or more since i've known him he lives like a ROCK STAR he calls it ministry who is ministering to who ???? Will a man rob God to quote Malachi if you ask me Guys like jack rob God every Day in the name of "ministry" oh yeah jack and lisas combined salaries are in excess of 150,000 easily especially when you look at all of the bills the church pays cell car gas etc.PAUL THE APOSTLE HAD QUITE A DIFFERENT WAY OF MINISTERING THAN THE ROCK STAR PASTORS OF AMERICA TODAY.I HAVE A FEELING MANY WILL BE PUT TO SHAME WHEN THEY STAND BEFORE GOD
do you still attend there? if so why?
Rkincer

Brea, CA

#327 Dec 11, 2012
This man is my deadbeat father.
Advocate for Him wrote:
Just read this article about CCCHills! Amazing that this has happen. I'm proud of our government and they caught the guy red handed and put him in jail. More christians need to not be afraid of standing up for what is right or exposing wrong in the church. We need not forget out the book of Jeremiah! What a HERO!!! We just found out about another church that originated in La Habra, CA. My friends parents went there for years. The pastor David Kincer(oops, con-artist) stole a church in Carbon Canyon, CA (Brea)sold the church for over 6.2 million (look up the courthouse records) pocketed the $$$ then moved out to Lake Elsinore and purchased 53 acres!!! CASH! Has had 3 wives, and about 6-8 children. His church has split 3 times while in La Habra, CA This guy has gotten away from the government and uses mental control over the people. My friends family is ruined and their $$$ was taken. His cover up is using "non-profit" organization to hide his taxes etc. He let's the people to BELIEVE he is poor when he actually has $$$ over 4.1 million in the bankooo!!! with his harlem of women and his people never question his actions! what's up with that???! dumbo :) The treacherous will be caught by their own greed" (Proverbs 11:6)
The IRS needs to get him too! this guy is definately not muslim ... another american with plenty of GREED!
Wondering

United States

#328 Dec 19, 2012
Is this the second time this very same thing happened to this Church?
Squished

Calabasas, CA

#329 Jan 28, 2014
Justice wrote:
So the behavior of a manipulative self admitted thief you relate with and defend. However how dare anyone state the truth and be upset by evildoing, I guess you have taken sides.
If you or anyone else is dumb enough to put your eternal soul and judge God by what People do then your just Dense I guess.
I think your grammar is evil...
play fair

Riverside, CA

#330 Feb 4, 2014
Matthew 7:1-3 KJV - Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Seeker of Truth

Anaheim, CA

#331 Apr 15, 2014
David Kincer...a very interesting man indeed. I seek not to condemn anyone so i'll stay away from that topic but how the people who've surrounded him for years (in my opinion great, honest, people) continue to be so loyal (and let's face it, there truly are so few left) to a man who instead of building something over 40 years, has split it many times over and over, seen the lives of many destroyed (family included) in the process. Though his speech might not be perfect, don't be fooled, he knows exactly what he's doing. When he couldn't stand the heat before, couldn't account for terrible mismanagement of assets, he further isolated "his" flock and went east. For those of you who were involved with this for years and years...i would challenge you to really consider what has happened here? A lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of slide of the hand...if you've wronged so many people in pool A, but kept the loyalty of a few in pool B, and continue to yell "God, God, God, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus..." louder does that somehow override, and make right what is widely known and understood knowledge. It's unfortunate because there are a lot of good people around the man...however i know there are just a few who truly understand what is going on out there.
Rkincer

Brea, CA

#332 Apr 15, 2014
No measure of a man.

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