Chino Valley school board approves pa...

Chino Valley school board approves pay cuts for administrators

There are 52 comments on the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin story from Oct 19, 2009, titled Chino Valley school board approves pay cuts for administrators. In it, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reports that:

Two district administrators are upset over a 3 percent pay cut through furloughs approved last week by the Chino Valley Unified Board of Education to help balance its budget.

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Chino Man

Torrance, CA

#1 Oct 19, 2009
better to cut 3% if admin, rather than lay off scores of classfied employees or several teachers.
RIFd Teacher

Temecula, CA

#2 Oct 19, 2009
I would take a 3% pay cut versus losing my job. Oh guess what I did?
RIFd Teacher

Temecula, CA

#3 Oct 19, 2009
I hope they feel the same when they realize that there are no jobs out there. I am so angry over their complaining! I have no job Mr. Principal and Ms. Assistant principal!
Veritas

Orange, CA

#4 Oct 19, 2009
Once again the game plan is followed in CVUSD. Classified employees and adminstrators take pay cuts and lose positions to protect the over-rated sorry teachers.

According to the CVUSD HR department, all RIF'ed teachers will be recalled no later than the end of this school year. Temporary teachers will be dispensed with and attrition will free up the the rest of the necessary positions to ensure every one of the teachers RIF'ed at the end of last year (but still work at their salary level as subs) is recalled.

Unless the law of normal distribution has been suspended for CVUSD, at least one half of the teachers emplyed in the district are below average.

Talk about a gutless school board. They impact everyone except for the over-rated teachers. When will the school board finally acknowledge it is parents of students who have the most impact on the development and performance of students.

It won't be long and this district will no longer be tops in San Bernardino County.
Another Concerned parent

AOL

#5 Oct 19, 2009
My gut tells me these are "plants." I don't really believe they would speak out against their new supintendent's position. If they protest just enough, it makes it look like they are giving up a lot. I don't mean to sound unappreciative of their pay cut, I just don't think they really are being sincere in their complaints. I think it is a way to put pressure on the teacher's union.
Another Concerned parent

AOL

#6 Oct 19, 2009
Veritas, I certainly hope you home schooled your kids...as teachers aren't very important to you. My kids have been educated by CVUSD teachers - and I appreciate everything they did for my kids. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience and sad that you don't appreciate the hard work of our teachers. What profession doesn't have "lemons?" Even your profession, whatever that is.

I have met incompetent parents - doesn't mean all parents, or even 50% are lousy. Yet, with your logic, poor performing schools/students are not due to incompetent teachers, but rather, incompetent parents. Wow, better do something about all these lousy parents in our district or we won't be at the top anymore :)
Worried

Temecula, CA

#7 Oct 19, 2009
Veritas wrote:
Once again the game plan is followed in CVUSD. Classified employees and adminstrators take pay cuts and lose positions to protect the over-rated sorry teachers.
According to the CVUSD HR department, all RIF'ed teachers will be recalled no later than the end of this school year. Temporary teachers will be dispensed with and attrition will free up the the rest of the necessary positions to ensure every one of the teachers RIF'ed at the end of last year (but still work at their salary level as subs) is recalled.
Unless the law of normal distribution has been suspended for CVUSD, at least one half of the teachers emplyed in the district are below average.
Talk about a gutless school board. They impact everyone except for the over-rated teachers. When will the school board finally acknowledge it is parents of students who have the most impact on the development and performance of students.
It won't be long and this district will no longer be tops in San Bernardino County.
I think you should really get your facts straight. There are about 60 teachers that have not been called back. They are completely out of jobs. There are no hopes that those teachers will be called back. There are tenured teachers that have been given only temporary contracts which means they won't have a job next year either. With class size reduction gone, those teachers that did not get called back this year have no hope of ever being called back. Those subbing have to work for a certain time during a 60 day period before they get their per diem rate. Per diem rate does not mean that they are receiving their salary. It means that they are receiving a higher salary than regular substitutes. Doesn't it make sense since they have real experience and are fully credentialed? They make approximately 120 dollars a day. IF they do not work all that time, they only get paid 90 dollars a day. Which frankly, unemployment pays more. If you think this district is "tops in San Bernardino County"..that means that the teachers are doing their job therefore, they are not below average. While you may make a difference in the development and performance of your child, not all children are that lucky. Get out there to a real classroom and see what these teachers have to be faced with everyday. Unless you know the life of a Chino teacher, you have no right to talk.
repeat

Chino Hills, CA

#8 Oct 19, 2009
Worried wrote:
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I think you should really get your facts straight. There are about 60 teachers that have not been called back. They are completely out of jobs. There are no hopes that those teachers will be called back. There are tenured teachers that have been given only temporary contracts which means they won't have a job next year either. With class size reduction gone, those teachers that did not get called back this year have no hope of ever being called back. Those subbing have to work for a certain time during a 60 day period before they get their per diem rate. Per diem rate does not mean that they are receiving their salary. It means that they are receiving a higher salary than regular substitutes. Doesn't it make sense since they have real experience and are fully credentialed? They make approximately 120 dollars a day. IF they do not work all that time, they only get paid 90 dollars a day. Which frankly, unemployment pays more. If you think this district is "tops in San Bernardino County"..that means that the teachers are doing their job therefore, they are not below average. While you may make a difference in the development and performance of your child, not all children are that lucky. Get out there to a real classroom and see what these teachers have to be faced with everyday. Unless you know the life of a Chino teacher, you have no right to talk.
Blah blah blah ... poor teachers ... blah blah blah ... evil administrators ...

Come on all you admin bashers out there - now's your chance to take your digs.
irritated parent

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#9 Oct 20, 2009
repeat, Worried was correcting mis-information, get over yourself. No teacher I have talked to has heard the information that Veritas is claiming. So either he is lying, or HR is not communicating with the teachers of CVUSD. There are 60ish teacher without regular contracts in CVUSD and a whole bunch more with temporary ones. That is a fact.

Has anyone heard how many administrators were let go in CVUSD? I haven't heard of one. They have let some counselors go, but they seem to be funded with discretionary funds in many cases, so that would not count. If there are some, I would love to know about it, not because I have a dislike for them, but because I really want to know how the crisis has affected all sides.

Veritas, the Daily Bulletin has a search feature so that you can see articles describing how this crisis has affected the teachers. Perhaps you should read some of those articles before you offer your lack of insight. Of course following your "normal distribution" crack, you yourself have a 50% chance of being below average in intelligence, so I can't expect any logic on your part, I can only hope for it.
David

Van Nuys, CA

#10 Oct 20, 2009
If they're going to cut, how about starting downtown? How about getting rid of ELL and IBS Programs?? Get rid of all cell phones and gas allowances.
Calta

Moreno Valley, CA

#11 Oct 20, 2009
irritated parent wrote:
repeat, Worried was correcting mis-information, get over yourself. No teacher I have talked to has heard the information that Veritas is claiming. So either he is lying, or HR is not communicating with the teachers of CVUSD. There are 60ish teacher without regular contracts in CVUSD and a whole bunch more with temporary ones. That is a fact.
Has anyone heard how many administrators were let go in CVUSD? I haven't heard of one. They have let some counselors go, but they seem to be funded with discretionary funds in many cases, so that would not count. If there are some, I would love to know about it, not because I have a dislike for them, but because I really want to know how the crisis has affected all sides.
Veritas, the Daily Bulletin has a search feature so that you can see articles describing how this crisis has affected the teachers. Perhaps you should read some of those articles before you offer your lack of insight. Of course following your "normal distribution" crack, you yourself have a 50% chance of being below average in intelligence, so I can't expect any logic on your part, I can only hope for it.
Here's a link to the admin jobs that have been eliminated in the last six months http://chino.groupfusion.net/modules/groups/h... .

It equates to 13.59%( http://chino.groupfusion.net/modules/groups/h... )
See page 7.
Calta

Moreno Valley, CA

#12 Oct 20, 2009
Veritas wrote:
Once again the game plan is followed in CVUSD. Classified employees and adminstrators take pay cuts and lose positions to protect the over-rated sorry teachers.
According to the CVUSD HR department, all RIF'ed teachers will be recalled no later than the end of this school year. Temporary teachers will be dispensed with and attrition will free up the the rest of the necessary positions to ensure every one of the teachers RIF'ed at the end of last year (but still work at their salary level as subs) is recalled.
Unless the law of normal distribution has been suspended for CVUSD, at least one half of the teachers emplyed in the district are below average.
Talk about a gutless school board. They impact everyone except for the over-rated teachers. When will the school board finally acknowledge it is parents of students who have the most impact on the development and performance of students.
It won't be long and this district will no longer be tops in San Bernardino County.
Bargaining units and their membership have to vote and agree to concessions. it is a democratic process. The Supt. with the school board's support, has proposed concessions recently and last year. So far, the bargaining unit for the teachers have not agreed to concessions. There is nothing a school board can do about that except cut in other places in the budget.

Unfortunately, approving the increase of class size in K-3 to 25:1 was one of the options required to approve to balance the budget, which meant lost jobs for teachers (4.61%). Class size for K-3 is the only area the school board has legal authority to increase without the approval of the union membership. If the bargaining units don't support a freeze in Step and Column, then the school board will be required to cut in places it has the legal authority to cut, such as increasing class size in K-3 to 30:1, eliminating nurses, music programs, high school and jr. high transportation, IB program, librarians, and the list of possibilities goes on and on until the budget balances.

This is a devastating time for public education in California as it is in the entire economy. The best way to get through it is by all of us sacrificing a little so our colleagues don't have to lose so much. Our children need all of us right now. If ever there was a time to care for others and our children, it's during this crisis. Turning on one another - this group against the other - is NOT what Chino Valley is all about. It's what some want us to believe it is about, for their own purposes - but it is NOT what the large majority of us are all about. I was raised here and I've witnessed and even participated in extraordinary acts of kindness and personal sacrifice for the greater good from this community. When times were better (2005-2008) salaries increased by over 13%. Now that times are bad, minmal sacrofice can go along way to help our children and our valuable colleagues. Thank you for listening!
Citizen

Chino, CA

#13 Oct 20, 2009
Mr. Calta thanks for providing facts and making them readily available for the public to view. It seems like most folks want to protect their own interests and not look at the big picture about what is going on. Teachers are the front lines in education and I applaud and and thank them. But the admin portion is just as important to the educational process. I'm sure mr. Calta can confirm there is a lot of behind the scenes work that goes on that most of us would not want to deal with. Mr. Joseph should stand tall and let us know what the realities are and defend the actions if he agrees with them.
directorman

Hemet, CA

#14 Oct 20, 2009
Get with the times people. There are a number of District't in California that are taking furlough days as a means to balance the budget. We are all being affected by the current economic instability in California. Go into the private sector and see how many people have not been given the option of taking furlough days, instead they are laid off and receive NO pay. If you have a job, be happy that you have one, there are many out there that would love to have your job. Certificated staff, administrators, classified staff, etc. stop your whining about a 3% cut. How would you like to be sitting at home wondering how you are going to make your next mortgage payment or feed your family.
Solaris8

Temple City, CA

#15 Oct 20, 2009
Give me a break! Our state workers have been furloughed and they didn't like it. But they didn't quit their jobs. If school employees feel this is an injustice go ahead and look for another job. Join the ranks of thousands of unemployed looking for any kind of job. Wake up! This is a recession tighten your belts and stop complaining!
PARENT - CHINO HILLS

Jacksonville, FL

#16 Oct 20, 2009
It is very frustrating to always hear about these cuts in education while execs and administrators continue to sit pretty on top of their pedestal looking down at our education system. Our children are already suffering along the lines of education and this would just cause it to increase. Just because execs can't afford to buy a new home, new car, redecorate, or whatever they want to do - let's give them a bonus to cover it. Any cuts should be made across the board. Executives should not be in a position to make a cut in wages that they are not willing to take themselves. We live without bonuses - why can't they???
PARENT - CHINO HILLS

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Oct 20, 2009
One other item I wish to stress. I don't know how many other parents have been placed in a position to "have" to do this but I have personally purchased and delivered teaching supplies to my child's classes that would not otherwise get them. Pens, pencils, paper, and notebooks just to name a few. More than once I might add. Some of these parents that are so concerned about their children's education need to visit the classrooms and ask "WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP?" Their new car or expensive vacations can wait - OPEN YOUR POCKETBOOKS TO EDUCATION - NOONE ELSE IS!!!!
mab

Corona, CA

#18 Oct 20, 2009
Plenty of business have eliminated pay increases. No performance raises or cost of living increases in the company I work for. No one is happy but it is reality. Sales are down, income is down. Also there is no COLA for social security this year. So maybe both administrators and teachers can give a little for the benefit of the children. That is who the district is working for is it not?
Darryl Garnett

Moreno Valley, CA

#19 Oct 20, 2009
This is flat out amazing!!! As millions of Americans deal with unemployment and millions more have to fear they may be next in line these two whiners are complaining about a measly 3% paycut. Folks are losing their homes, many more no longer have a decent retirement to look forward to and as we move towards the holidays many more will not enjoy such a Happy Thankgiving, let alone Xmas.
They both also have inflated thoughts about their value on the job market. Cuts in educational jobs are not only taking place in the grade schools but higher education also. So if the both of them want to shop for another job elsewhere they're in for a very rude awakening. Be thankful you have a job because many of us don't.
El Rey

Upland, CA

#20 Oct 20, 2009
Veritas, I agree.

I thank school board for being "gutless" when we are talking about setting priorities during hard times.

If you don't agree with 3% pay cut....just leave the district. I will send you a "thank you" card.

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