“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#445 Jun 19, 2012
Female wrote:
Since I have used 2 different names I'm going to stick to this one not open-minded it is too confusing. Any way back to the subject, force doesn't work with children or adults, you just won't come out with the results that you intended. You can use force to keep a child from running in the street that is different.There is common sense. For those that don't believe in God I still believe there are many good teachings to live by that are written in the Bible such as the 10 Comandments, and forgiveness is a very good one.
I have no opposition to the idea of taking from the bible as a guideline, the way it's be reworded and twisted around makes it sound on the surface like a morally sound book and if you take it at face value you might learn a thing or two :3

However, when you explore it in depth, you see how disturbed and sick it is :(
Man

Wapakoneta, OH

#446 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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I have no opposition to the idea of taking from the bible as a guideline, the way it's be reworded and twisted around makes it sound on the surface like a morally sound book and if you take it at face value you might learn a thing or two :3
However, when you explore it in depth, you see how disturbed and sick it is :(
A sign of the times?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#447 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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That sounds good and well, but who's controlling their harmful or violate acts? hmmm? No one...they picket sign funerals,
Freedom of speech...
they take away freedoms and turn around and bitch about their own freedoms...I can't stand these particular people >.>
Taking away your freedoms is wrong, unless they can prove harm or that you are violating a superior right of theirs.

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#448 Jun 19, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Freedom of speech...
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Taking away your freedoms is wrong, unless they can prove harm or that you are violating a superior right of theirs.
There's a reason you can't yell "Fire" at a movie theater and there should be a reason you can't picket sign a funeral...there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. If you want to make a statement don't do it by dragging the names of the dead through the mud, there's nothing okay with that.

That sounds good at face value...but guess what, Gay marriage is still not legal which is a violation of rights...there is no harm or no violation of rights, just people who are infringing on the rights of others.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#449 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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There's a reason you can't yell "Fire" at a movie theater and there should be a reason you can't picket sign a funeral...

They are not comparable. Picketing a funeral does not create panic. Any place the public is allowed can be picketed.

[QUOTE]there are lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Some religious people think so too, yet you want to cross theirs.
If you want to make a statement don't do it by dragging the names of the dead through the mud, there's nothing okay with that.
You do not have the right to not be offended.
That sounds good at face value...but guess what, Gay marriage is still not legal which is a violation of rights...
I agree completely. I also think that it will change sooner rather than later in this country. Like as soon as a case makes it to the US Supreme Court.
there is no harm or no violation of rights, just people who are infringing on the rights of others.
I think calling it a denial of rights would be more accurate, and that IS "harm" in my opinion. "Rights" should never be at the whim of the mob (majority). Rights simply exist unless the government takes them away, which it should not do unless they harm or violate a superior right. I fully support gays' right to marry. It cannot harm anyone, or violate their rights, so should not be prohibited.

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#450 Jun 19, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Some religious people think so too, yet you want to cross theirs.
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You do not have the right to not be offended.
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I agree completely. I also think that it will change sooner rather than later in this country. Like as soon as a case makes it to the US Supreme Court.
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I think calling it a denial of rights would be more accurate, and that IS "harm" in my opinion. "Rights" should never be at the whim of the mob (majority). Rights simply exist unless the government takes them away, which it should not do unless they harm or violate a superior right. I fully support gays' right to marry. It cannot harm anyone, or violate their rights, so should not be prohibited.
About the picketing at funerals...it does cause harm 0.o
It causes alot of harm...seriously how would you feel if your son died and at his funeral there was a group of people outside saying god hates your son and he's going to hell for being gay. I'm sorry, but someone already grieving doesn't deserve to hear things like that, it does cause harm, and it infringes on a person's right to grieve in peace :(

It is indeed an infringment of rights, and I hope it changes soon, but I mean there's no absolute guarantee of that :(
Well

Waverly, OH

#451 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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About the picketing at funerals...it does cause harm 0.o
It causes alot of harm...seriously how would you feel if your son died and at his funeral there was a group of people outside saying god hates your son and he's going to hell for being gay. I'm sorry, but someone already grieving doesn't deserve to hear things like that, it does cause harm, and it infringes on a person's right to grieve in peace :(
It is indeed an infringment of rights, and I hope it changes soon, but I mean there's no absolute guarantee of that :(
The courts have ruled differently several times.We don't like it but they have the right to do it.

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#452 Jun 19, 2012
Well wrote:
<quoted text>The courts have ruled differently several times.We don't like it but they have the right to do it.
If I had the time and the means I'd go to the funerals of the people who protest funerals ( when they died of w/e killed them ) and hold up picket signs about how god hates homophobes and that's why they are dead...and yes, this does make me a hypocrite, but I don't much care ^.^

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#453 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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About the picketing at funerals...it does cause harm 0.o
It causes alot of harm...seriously how would you feel if your son died and at his funeral there was a group of people outside saying god hates your son and he's going to hell for being gay.

The US Supreme Court has already ruled on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps

[QUOTE] I'm sorry, but someone already grieving doesn't deserve to hear things like that, it does cause harm, and it infringes on a person's right to grieve in peace :(
Not where the public is allowed (as long as they don't break other laws). It's maddening, I know, but the right to protest is very basic... superior to the right to grieve. Just as the right of the KKK to hold a rally in a public space where other groups are allowed to hold rallies is superior to your right to not be disgusted.
It is indeed an infringment of rights, and I hope it changes soon, but I mean there's no absolute guarantee of that :(
No, but it's winning one state at a time. It would eventually win every state anyway, but I think a case will make the SC docket before that happens.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#454 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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If I had the time and the means I'd go to the funerals of the people who protest funerals ( when they died of w/e killed them ) and hold up picket signs about how god hates homophobes and that's why they are dead...and yes, this does make me a hypocrite, but I don't much care ^.^
You would be within your rights to do exactly that if you wanted.
Well

Waverly, OH

#455 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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If I had the time and the means I'd go to the funerals of the people who protest funerals ( when they died of w/e killed them ) and hold up picket signs about how god hates homophobes and that's why they are dead...and yes, this does make me a hypocrite, but I don't much care ^.^
this has been done already too. Someone else already thought of it.
Well

Waverly, OH

#456 Jun 19, 2012

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#457 Jun 19, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Not where the public is allowed (as long as they don't break other laws). It's maddening, I know, but the right to protest is very basic... superior to the right to grieve. Just as the right of the KKK to hold a rally in a public space where other groups are allowed to hold rallies is superior to your right to not be disgusted.
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No, but it's winning one state at a time. It would eventually win every state anyway, but I think a case will make the SC docket before that happens.
That's still sickening to me...I'm not sure why anyone declared protesting funerals constituational at all, and what kind of christian goes around doing that? The worst part is when one of those family's in grief just snaps and beats the shit out of the a protestor he/she will probable get in trouble for it, when the protestors out there basically have a 'kick my ass' sign hanging around them.:(

I think so too.

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#458 Jun 19, 2012
Well wrote:
<quoted text>this has been done already too. Someone else already thought of it.
Good, cause Karma exists, and Karma is great <3
Well

Waverly, OH

#459 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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That's still sickening to me...I'm not sure why anyone declared protesting funerals constituational at all, and what kind of christian goes around doing that? The worst part is when one of those family's in grief just snaps and beats the shit out of the a protestor he/she will probable get in trouble for it, when the protestors out there basically have a 'kick my ass' sign hanging around them.:(
I think so too.
They are not Christan they use the name of a church to be tax exempt. It is a family cult only. Don't let the name fool you.

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#460 Jun 19, 2012
Well wrote:
<quoted text>They are not Christan they use the name of a church to be tax exempt. It is a family cult only. Don't let the name fool you.
Haha...alot of cults start with the bible though :(
Well

Waverly, OH

#461 Jun 19, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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Haha...alot of cults start with the bible though :(
http://www.rickross.com/

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#463 Jun 21, 2012
undefined apathy wrote:
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Good, cause Karma exists, and Karma is great <3
You realize that Karma is a religious tenet, don't you :)

“Dancing with the devil”

Since: May 12

...Dreaming of angels

#464 Jun 21, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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You realize that Karma is a religious tenet, don't you :)
I should rephrase I believe in the wheel of Ka :3

Also, Karma happens rarely...bush still hasn't had any karma dealt his way :(
Katie

United States

#465 Jul 6, 2013
[QUOTE who="seriously?"]I believe that her heart is definitely in the right place. Christianity is a religion based on believing leading to salvation. So if she doesn't get them to believe then they face an eternity in hell (then she's punishing them forever). So I feel like if you actually believe the bible (like you're suppose to if you're a Christian) then you must convert your children or you either don't understand Christianity, or you don't love your kids. That's why I believe. Sorry if that seemed rude to any of you who are religious and dont take your children.
That being said, from agnostic standpoint I think it's absurd. As a supporter of the constitution, I also think its ridiculous. To deny someone one of their most basic freedoms is totalitarian.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But I would say that telling children what to think is child abuse. Teach them how to think and they can decide for themselves. Whether they have some kind of obligation to convert them "for their own good," it's wrong and unrealistic to expect good from it. What really irritates me personally is (as a 20 yr old closet atheist) my parents saying reading the bible isn't enough and that I need to do it because of family. So if I don't go, or even complain, it's like betrayal.

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