Socialism Isn't That Bad
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#1 Dec 8, 2012
What is wrong with equitable distribution of wealth and of the necessities of life even under the compulsion of the state? Our glorious leader said that the wealthy didn't get their riches from their own efforts; others did it for them. The rich got their wealth from exploiting others. The rights and needs of the collective outweigh the rights of the individual. "From each according to ability; to each according to need".

"Under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner...."
Fabian Socialist Bernard Shaw in his Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928. The state encourages individual initiative, but only from the right motives. If your production is above your quota, it must be for the benefit of others rather than for personal profit since personal profit is the same as greed.

A socialist system will rid us of much personal responsibility as the state provides jobs and necessities as well as free health care and free education. All we are responsible for is performing our assigned jobs to the best of our abilities according to the directions of the authorities. "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God". At the end of the work-day, you can go home to enjoy entertainment provided by the state-approved news and entertainment media. If your home, work station, recreational centers are within walking distance, you won't need a self-propelled vehicle. Those wishing to purchase such vehicle must submit an application to the proper authorities.

Family size will be limited according to state policies. For the welfare and safety of the collective, permission to reproduce must be granted by the state based on physical and psychological standards . "Diets, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable.." As part of the free public education, all children must submit to mandatory psychological testing. Those students who fail to measure up to the established standards must receive proper medication.(Children of the authorities are exempt)

State-approved food vendors will have only nutritious food so as to maintain the mental and physical health of the people. Items high in fat content like pizza, pastries, fries, and sodas are prohibited. Those producing and/or consuming such food will be subject to fines or punishment.

For your safety, the state has provided constant surveilance both in private and public areas due to some radical elements which pose a threat to the state. Citizens are encouraged to be watchful for these individuals or groups, and are encouraged to report suspicious activities to the proper authorities. If you see something, say something. Those with radical ideas are deemed to be guilty, and may be subject to indefinite detention or be sent to re-education camps.

Thank God that we have authorities who know what is best for us. Other than that, enjoy your freedom.

“mulieres regula summum”

Since: Feb 12


#2 Dec 8, 2012
Old Bob, Your ability to cut and paste is matched only by your ability to accept the ignorance of the content, from which you plagiarized. Socialism is in the first three words of our constitution,

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

It also mentions “Welfare” and “Union”. Do you think “domestic Tranquility” is to allow the rich to feed off the poor? It says we are to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” not “Prosperity”.

For you to figure this out, you might have to read a book, instead of believing someone who said they did.

“Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate”
Bertrand Russell
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Jamesport, MO

#3 Dec 8, 2012
its not the rich, its the successful, lefty
Just Sayin

Ballwin, MO

#4 Dec 8, 2012
Mrs Brahmin---Please feel free to give all your stuff to the lazy people who don't want to work. I worked very hard for my assets and don't appreciate a socialist president giving it away to the entitlement people.

“mulieres regula summum”

Since: Feb 12


#5 Dec 8, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
-Please feel free to give all your stuff to the lazy people-.
The “Greatest Generation” is referred to those that survived the Great Depression. These lazy people, and now as senior citizens, get Social Programs to protect them and serve them. That is a Socialist Program.

Disabled Veterans are lazy people entitled to dignity, shelter, food, healthcare and access to programs. That is a Socialist Program.

Temporary Unemployment Benefits are for those lazy people that are not hired by the “Job Creators” because it isn’t profitable, yet those same CEO’s of those companies are making record-breaking profits and obscene bonuses for themselves. Even though these lazy poor are willing and wanting employment, they can’t find work to feed their families. That is a Socialist Program.

Public Education available for every lazy child, regardless of family income, to invest in our county’s future…is a Socialist Program.

Every program that helps our lazy physically disabled, lazy developmentally disabled, lazy homeless, lazy battered women & youth is a Socialist Program.

If Paris Hilton can inherit so much money, and not work a day in her lazy life, is she part of the problem also? What of the other offensively rich who live off of the labor of the lower and middle class? Did they earn that money?

The purpose of corporations is to redistribute the wealth from the consumer to the stock holder. I prefer to support the under-paid under-dog rather than the over-paid overlord. The greedy wealthy hold prosperity on austerity like a carrot on a stick and promise everyone that “if you work hard, you can have this too”. Then they use their power to make sure you are never invited to the “Big Table”.

But here’s the ironic kicker that tickles me purple. Social programs help a Capitalist economy. The poor still needs products, goods and services. If you help subsidize their living expenses, they will spend it on those needs. This produces more consumers that purchase those things they need from businesses that supply them. This produces more industry sales demands, which produce more jobs to meet those demands. Then you get growth.

I really don’t think you are an idiot, but we have too many Americans that can’t do math. If the 1% keep hording their wealth without even a day’s labor from those that actually work for a living, then industry will begin to fail, and our economy with it. Just check out when “Red States” ruled the land vs.“Blue States”. Conservatives grossly increased national debt, increased extremely wealthy incomes and increased the poverty population.

“I doth protest too much”
Billy Shakespeare
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Jamesport, MO

#6 Dec 9, 2012
every time you get a dollar go give half of it away to someone that dont try to earn money
Just Sayin

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Dec 9, 2012
Mrs. Brahmin----You are definitely a SOCIALIST, because you sound exactly like Joe Biden,Nancy Pelosi, and the mesiah Obamy.
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#8 Dec 9, 2012
Response to "Mrs Brahmin":

First of all, the only parts that I cut and pasted were those enclosed in quotation marks. The "From each according to ability..." I believe is from Karl Marx. And I gave credit to Bernard Shaw for his quote.
Per one site among other sites:

What parts did I plagiarize?

You quote the Preamble to the Constitution. This does not give the federal government authority to rule our lives. The US constitution gives LIMITED authority to the federal government. Under socialism, the masses must be ruled by central control. We can't have people freely running around in pursuit of happiness.

Have you heard of the Bilderberg "Silent Weapons for a Quiet War" policy of 1954? Cut and pasted:

"In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low class elements of the society must be brought under total control, ie, must be house-broken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter."
Scroll down to the bold type.

Otherwise, I totally agree with what you say about corporations. The root source of socialism is the globalist corporations. Why else did they finance Stalin and Hitler? See "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" by Antony Sutton. Also why did the Ford, Carnegie, and Rockefeller foundations fund and dictate the policies of our public schools? They DID NOT want a public of thinkers. To increase their wealth and power, they desired an educational system that produces only obedient workers. I've already posted info to support this.

As far as reading books, I have probably read more books than anyone else in this area. If not, then please post a listing of all politics and history books you've read. Maybe I missed some book that I need to read. I've just ordered 2 more books:

"The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" Charlotte Iserbyt

And "Child Abuse in the Classroom" Phyllis Schafly

Your quote by Russell is right on. I will add that quote to my collection after I confirm that he said this. The source of government tyranny IS corporate tyranny. Government is only a tool to enforce corporate agenda. That is what I am trying to convey. Socialism is NOT for the benefit of the masses; it is just a method for corporate control. Power to the people in Russia degraded into power to the corporations just as intended.
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#9 Dec 9, 2012
Feast on what G. Edward Griffin says about collectivism.

In the mean time, I am compiling some interesting quotes from the book by Dr. John Coleman, "One World Order Socialist Dictatorship". I have another book by Dr. Coleman, "Socialism The Road to Slavery". But after I started reading it, I found that it is the same as the other book, word for word. If Mrs Brahmin or anyone else wants to read this book, I will just give it to you. Jeff Foli knows where I live.

“mulieres regula summum”

Since: Feb 12


#10 Dec 9, 2012
Old Bob wrote:
In the mean time, Jeff Foli knows where I live.
I stand corrected on my presumption of your lack of erudition. It is more common than not that this forum is a quagmire of ignorance (and I don’t mean the good kind of ignorance, but that is another topic).

A great book to get started on is “The People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn. But I’m confused on your definition of Socialism, or at least your references to Socialism as a policy. It seems that you are referring more to Communism, rather than Socialism.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but political systems are based on: government rules for social policies & philosophies (culture); how to protect them; and how to pay for them. Socialism is the principle of distributing goods and services more evenly to those that may not or cannot reasonably attain them. Communism is the political structure of the State owning all (or most) of the property and distributing according to assumed standards. Capitalism is a free market economy with the inherent flaw of allowing those with the most power and capital to inhibit the freedom for those without. Democracy is everyone gets a voice, but in the end the mob rules. A dictatorship is fairly simple too, one person gets to rule totally and be a total dick at the same time. Oligarchy vs. Bureaucracy is the difference of a few decisive lunatics verses many indecisive idiots. A Republic is when a few elected or appointed people that make up a larger governing body, represent those in their jurisdictional areas. A Monarchy is a Dictatorship with Nepotism benefits.(That’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are). The difference between Hegemony vs. Aristocracy is “might makes right” vs.“he who has the most gold rules”. Then my two favorites are Kritarchy vs. Theocracy, one ruled by megalomaniac lawyers and the other ruled by people who worship words written thousands of years ago by illiterate men and listen to the invisible demiurges as voices in their head.
Just Sayin wrote:
Mrs. Brahmin----You are definitely a SOCIALIST, because you sound exactly like Joe Biden,Nancy Pelosi, and the mesiah Obamy.
With that said, I believe none of these are without major flaws in principle and practice. So to answer your accusation, no I am not a Socialist. I believe if you look closely at all of those listed above, you will see that we DO use a little of all the above. The answer is to incorporate all of the ideas into practice, or at least the good ones where they will do the most good for the entire group it is to govern. Diversity in policy philosophies, without limitations of “evil labels” can best help us govern a nation of this size and its future.

Calling our President a Socialist is like calling Ronald McDonald a vegetarian because he offers salads on his dollar menu. I think too many people look at our government as an evil autonomous entity. The first three words of our constitution remind us that WE are the government. If it is broken, then we are the ones who broke it. Or worse, we allowed it to be broken on our watch.

“mulieres regula summum”

Since: Feb 12


#11 Dec 9, 2012
I forgot my pithy quote, lol

“Somebody who only reads newspapers and at best books of contemporary authors looks to me like an extremely near-sighted person who scorns eyeglasses. He is completely dependent on the prejudices and fashions of his times, since he never gets to see or hear anything else.”

Albert Einstein

Chillicothe, MO

#12 Dec 9, 2012
Where the heck is this country going? We coddle the low life scum bags and frequent felons in society, we welcome terrorists within our own country, Obama promotes disrespecting the successful people in life, and he refuses to protect our borders.

Sad time to be an American citizen when it is okay to get your food stamps and still go buy yourself beer, tobacco, and some pills or meth from your neighbor so you can shoot up tonight and forget about the world.
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#13 Dec 10, 2012
I agree that Social Security, Work Comp, Unemployment Insurance among other programs are socialistic. Yet what shape would the US be in without these programs?

For the most part, I agree with Mrs Brahmin. I will post below a few quotes from Dr. Coleman's book.

"The People’s History of the United States" is online at:
here now

Jamesport, MO

#14 Dec 10, 2012
i bet those lefty's don't say merry christmas either, and have a holiday tree what a bunch of deadbeats

Linn Creek, MO

#15 Dec 10, 2012
It is just this simple. I cannot produce enough to care for myself and an entitlement person, too, especially when their living standard is on par or above mine as a producer. I don't want to see any child or disadvantaged cold or hungry, but I should not be expected to furnish a car, color TV, video games, pot or court costs.
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#16 Dec 10, 2012
Before I post the few interesting quotes from the Coleman book, I feel that Mrs Brahmin is correct in that one's understanding of "socialism" depends on one's definition of the word. Maybe "socialism" is the wrong word. There are desireable and undesirable parts of both unrestrained free enterprise capitalism and central government control over the production and distribution of goods. I see "socialism" as only a tool for the uber-rich to consolidate wealth and power into their hands. They couldn't care less about the welfare of the masses. Why is it that socialist/collectivist policies are promoted by the very rich other than for their own benefit? Do you think that the tax-exempt foundations are concerned about our welfare? Or do they consider us as only "human resources" for their exploitation? I suggest that Nancy Pelosi, Claire McCaskill, and other "representatives" are working for their benefit, not ours.

What is the best economic and political system that pleases everyone? I can't see that we will ever find such a system, even if such a system actually exists. I believe that the US became the strongest and wealthiest nation during the early 20th century because of the unrestrained free market capitalist system. But this was achieved at the cost of child labor, starvation wages, no provision for providing for job losses and work-related deaths or injuries.

I was raised as a Democrat. For every actual or contrived fault, I felt that the feds needed to step in and "fix it". Rich people are greedy, and they should be made to pay more taxes (equitable wealth distribution). Sadly, most members of my family, parents, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces etc. believe the same way. It took me several years of study and observation (prior to the Internet) to break away from this crap.

I keep getting the feeling that we are missing something. Is there some knowledge that was lost or hidden from us? All we can do is to consider the information in books and the Internet in light of our own experiences to determine what information is or is not credible. Maybe the truth and enlightenment will be revealed to us come Dec. 21, 2012. But I suspect that nothing will change, and we will continue our existence in the current Dark Age. What is that one thing or that one key bit of knowledge that expains everything?
jest curious

Chillicothe, MO

#17 Dec 10, 2012
anybody want a high paying job ask a poor man for it
lab tec

Overland Park, KS

#18 Dec 11, 2012
all the lazy dumb asses can go behind the fence im stayimg free or die trying to be
Old Bob

Chillicothe, MO

#19 Dec 11, 2012
It does little good to complain about it, particularly with the upcoming "fiscal cliff". All this rhetoric from our politicians is just show. I still contend that there is no deficit. I believe that most of the income of our federal government comes from investments and drug sales. I can offer no proof; that's why I said that I believe this is so.

If we are ever coming out of this mess, the public must wake up, and learn what is actually happening. Obama won't save us. He has no intention of doing so. Consider what he and his cronies in Congress do, not what they say.

The world won't end come Dec 21. Jesus isn't coming. Neither is Quetzlcoatl, The 12th Imam, or the Grand Pu Bah. And the "They oughta" bit won't help either.

I don't understand why the public refuses to realize that it has been lied to about everything. The only way to turn this thing around is by " taking bull by the horns", and making things change. We can't just sit on our butts watching football on TV, and hope all will work out OK.

Self-education is one way, rather than relying on the crap taught in publik Skools, or believing the BS in the MSM propaganda news. As hard as it may be, I suggest you start with the history book by Howard Zinn. Until I decide otherwise, He's da man!

At least consider what "Mrs Brahmin" writes.

People generally get the government they deserve. And due to our lack of vigilance, we are indeed experiencing the government we deserve.

Excelsior Springs, MO

#20 Dec 11, 2012
where can a person get a color tv, my court costs paid, a new video for xmas or better yet a bag of stash for a very holiday....

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