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#3189 Dec 31, 2012
Peace and Justice wrote:
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Why did Mark fail his polygraph?
Why hasn't anyone answered this question yet? I'd like to hear what the great legal minds think about this.

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#3190 Dec 31, 2012
Hornet For Life wrote:
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Why hasn't anyone answered this question yet? I'd like to hear what the great legal minds think about this.
Because it won't help their case. It's all black and white to everyone so they try to mix in lies and theories to make other people believe he is innocent.
polygraph

Saint Louis, MO

#3191 Dec 31, 2012
I thought wrote:
Were Godseys own files ever looked at? Not just what he provided to the Attorney General.
The case file has a whole section that looked to me like a case against Claude as if someone in the AG really believed that Claude was responsible. In the polygraph Clemonds said to Mark there are only two scenarios. One - cold blooded murder and two that someone pressured him to do the shootings.

Was it Godsey's idea to play this card? The case was already being handled by the AG's office. July 94 was Marks polygraph.

Richard McFadin needs to be exhumed and questioned. Did he buy into this idea. Was everyone thinking Mark was going to squeal on his dad and he never did?.
I thought

Chillicothe, MO

#3192 Dec 31, 2012
polygraph wrote:
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The case file has a whole section that looked to me like a case against Claude as if someone in the AG really believed that Claude was responsible. In the polygraph Clemonds said to Mark there are only two scenarios. One - cold blooded murder and two that someone pressured him to do the shootings.
Was it Godsey's idea to play this card? The case was already being handled by the AG's office. July 94 was Marks polygraph.
Richard McFadin needs to be exhumed and questioned. Did he buy into this idea. Was everyone thinking Mark was going to squeal on his dad and he never did?.
I thought it interesting that they had another examiner there on hand from Macon Missouri. They never stated his name, only that it was M.W. Platte. Was he a part of the Major Case Squad or have prior knowledge of the case or read reports of it? You already know Clemens had prior knowledge because he gave the other polygraphs didn't he? What was Plattes name?
I thought

Chillicothe, MO

#3193 Dec 31, 2012
I have always wondered who rode with who to St. Joe.

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#3194 Dec 31, 2012
Peace and Justice wrote:
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Because it won't help their case. It's all black and white to everyone so they try to mix in lies and theories to make other people believe he is innocent.
Yeah, that must be the reason. They can't come up with an excuse as to why Mark would fail his polygraph. I completely understand that polygraph examinations are not admissible in court, but they seem to place so much emphasis on Rochelle's breathing...
Nick

Saint Louis, MO

#3195 Jan 1, 2013
Hornet For Life wrote:
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Why hasn't anyone answered this question yet? I'd like to hear what the great legal minds think about this.
Mark didn't flunk anything. It was contrived just like all the other incriminating evidence. The test was a trick facilitated by Mark's disloyal attorney, McFadden, Deister and Calvert to try to force a confession, just like submitting Scott Robertson to a hypnotist was a ruse to make inadmissible his observation that he heard a vehicle start up in the driveway immediately after the shootings. Same with Chris Ruoff. If there was a vehicle (and there's no doubt there was), the shooter was someone other than Mark.

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#3196 Jan 1, 2013
Nick wrote:
<quoted text>Mark didn't flunk anything. It was contrived just like all the other incriminating evidence. The test was a trick facilitated by Mark's disloyal attorney, McFadden, Deister and Calvert to try to force a confession, just like submitting Scott Robertson to a hypnotist was a ruse to make inadmissible his observation that he heard a vehicle start up in the driveway immediately after the shootings. Same with Chris Ruoff. If there was a vehicle (and there's no doubt there was), the shooter was someone other than Mark.
Oh my god! You are so full of it!
Nick

Saint Louis, MO

#3197 Jan 1, 2013
Peace and Justice wrote:
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Oh my god! You are so full of it!
The truth hurts, doesn't it. To have your head examined you would require a proctologist.
Former Hornet

Chillicothe, MO

#3198 Jan 1, 2013
Nick wrote:
<quoted text>Mark didn't flunk anything. It was contrived just like all the other incriminating evidence. The test was a trick facilitated by Mark's disloyal attorney, McFadden, Deister and Calvert to try to force a confession, just like submitting Scott Robertson to a hypnotist was a ruse to make inadmissible his observation that he heard a vehicle start up in the driveway immediately after the shootings. Same with Chris Ruoff. If there was a vehicle (and there's no doubt there was), the shooter was someone other than Mark.
Give it up.
Joel

Chillicothe, MO

#3199 Jan 1, 2013
Why should he give it up? He is innocent.

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#3200 Jan 1, 2013
So, McFaddin, the most sought after and expensive defense attorney in the State of Missouri, a man who prided himself on his record took a dive in Mark's case? Is that what you expect everyone to believe?
Boy, you don't know McFaddin at all, do you?

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#3201 Jan 1, 2013
Nick wrote:
<quoted text>The truth hurts, doesn't it. To have your head examined you would require a proctologist.
I said YOU are full of it. I didn't say that you are telling the truth so your comment makes no sense whatsoever!
Sweet

Saint Louis, MO

#3202 Jan 1, 2013
Hornet For Life wrote:
So, McFaddin, the most sought after and expensive defense attorney in the State of Missouri, a man who prided himself on his record took a dive in Mark's case? Is that what you expect everyone to believe?
Boy, you don't know McFaddin at all, do you?
It's McFadin
Do Not Understand

Chillicothe, MO

#3203 Jan 1, 2013
Hornet For Life wrote:
So, McFaddin, the most sought after and expensive defense attorney in the State of Missouri, a man who prided himself on his record took a dive in Mark's case? Is that what you expect everyone to believe?
Boy, you don't know McFaddin at all, do you?
Do you know McFaddin? Can you tell me why he wasn't there with Mark? This was a murder charge, why would he advise this for a client? If he couln't be there on that particular date I'm sure it could have been rescheduled. Just curious.
McFADIN not McFADDEN

Saint Louis, MO

#3204 Jan 1, 2013
Ok now.

Anyone who knew who McFadin was would know that his name is spelled

MCFADIN not McFadden

He was called Gene because his middle name was Eugene.

RICHARD E MCFADIN.

RICHARD E. MCFADIN
Richard E. McFadin, 88, formerly of Kansas City, died May 19, 2012. Graveside: 1 p.m. May 22, Lake Viking Cemetery near Gallatin. Visitation: 1 hour prior to the service at the Lake Viking Church. Arr: McWilliams Funeral Home

His name was mis spelled in the trial one transcripts and other places.

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#3205 Jan 1, 2013
Do Not Understand wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know McFaddin? Can you tell me why he wasn't there with Mark? This was a murder charge, why would he advise this for a client? If he couln't be there on that particular date I'm sure it could have been rescheduled. Just curious.
No, I don't know the man personally. As part of my Masters thesis, I studied Mr. McFadin and several other defense attorneys from across the country, and the one thing they all had in common was a huge ego. That's why it is inconceivable to believe that he would take a dive.

I don't know why he wasn't there. Are you sure he advised his client to go to an interrogation and subsequent polygraph examination without counsel? Doesn't sound like the kind of tactic a high-powered defense attorney like McFADIN would try.

And, yes, I know how to spell his name. As usual, it's always a witty comeback to attack other people's misspellings when they have nothing else to stand on.
McFADIN

Saint Louis, MO

#3206 Jan 1, 2013
Hornet For Life wrote:
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No, I don't know the man personally. As part of my Masters thesis, I studied Mr. McFadin and several other defense attorneys from across the country, and the one thing they all had in common was a huge ego. That's why it is inconceivable to believe that he would take a dive.
I don't know why he wasn't there. Are you sure he advised his client to go to an interrogation and subsequent polygraph examination without counsel? Doesn't sound like the kind of tactic a high-powered defense attorney like McFADIN would try.
And, yes, I know how to spell his name. As usual, it's always a witty comeback to attack other people's misspellings when they have nothing else to stand on.
McFadin told the Jury that Terry Deister was at that time a Sheriffs investigator. Deister was Marks chief accuser and not a sheriffs investigator or even a licensed PI. He was never called to the stand. To Qualify Deister in such a way and stipulate chain of custody to a person hired by the victims husband is insane and no defense attorney would ever do this. But yes McFadin arranged the polygraph. He also negotiated the deal for Jim Johnson to testify against Mark and Claude in the Grand jury. A deal that got Johnson's sentence reduced from 20 years to time served. McFadin arranged this and Calvert negotiated it.

If you had read the Masters report you would know that it is McFadin and you would understand the actions of McFadin at question.
Batman

Saint Peters, MO

#3207 Jan 2, 2013
Hornet For Life wrote:
So, McFaddin, the most sought after and expensive defense attorney in the State of Missouri, a man who prided himself on his record took a dive in Mark's case? Is that what you expect everyone to believe?
Boy, you don't know McFaddin at all, do you?
I know that McFaddin participated in a conflict of interest that was so bizarre and unlawful that the Special Master was at a loss for "...a word or phrase in the English language..." to fairly describe it. Sellout is the word and concept that comes to mind. Yes, indeedy, he took a dive and I doubt if it was the first time he sold someone out.

Ironically, both of Mark's judges were aware, or should have been aware, of it and did nothing despite their clear constitutional duty to do something on the record. Instead, they unlawfully and inexplicably concealed it from Mark and the world at large. This was "clearly and convincingly" proved by the documents introduced at the hearing, a fact you choose ignorantly to avoid.

I don't expect that your dense, biased brain is capable of understanding the import of all that, but the legally trained and fair Judge Gary Oxenhandler not only understood it, but was obviously very troubled by it, as any right-thinking citizen would be.

Your squealing would be audible from hundreds of miles away if some crooked attorney and judges did the same to you or someone you cared about. Come to think of it your squealing already IS audible all across the state. At least have the decency to put on some lipstick, dipstick.
Batman

Saint Peters, MO

#3208 Jan 2, 2013
Peace and Justice wrote:
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I said YOU are full of it. I didn't say that you are telling the truth so your comment makes no sense whatsoever!
You obviously have trouble making sense of almost everything. Maybe you should go see that proctologist and have your head examined.

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