Woodworth / Robertson case - Paula Za...

Since: Jun 11

Overland Park, KS

#64 Nov 10, 2011
VRA wrote:
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If the gun weren't linked to Woodworth then I would be looking elsewhere too. But you have yet to explain to me how Thomure would have gotten Woodworth's gun.
Very simple...Brandon used Robertson's gun. He got the gun out of Lyndel's pickup truck, grabbed the shells that were in the shed and went into the house and started shooting the Robertson's. Both Robertson & Woodworth owned identical guns. Grooves of both pistols were consistent with the recovered bullet fragments. There was a manufacturing defect that left a mark on the bullets in Woodworth's gun. Expert testified that several guns had that defect but for some reason, Robertson's gun was never tested for this defect.(I do recall an expert had requested to test both guns but never did get to test the Robertson's gun).
Here's just some of the reason I believe Brandon is guilty. 1). Brandon had motive. 2). He tested positive for gun powder hours after the shooting. 3). Several witness saw him in town during the hours when he said he wasn't there. 4). Shell casing we're found in a car trunk after Brandon had stashed his duffel bag there...happens to be the same type used in the shooting. 5). Brandon is capable of violence...he's had several restraining orders against him.

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#65 Nov 10, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
Thomure did not use Woodworth's gun. Your dad's gun was a lot more handy.
My father does not own a gun. If you are insinuating that Lyndel Robertson is my father then you are wrong. Why is that so hard for anyone to believe? I support the Robertsons because they are the victims and if they tell me that they wholeheartedly believe that the right person is behind bars, then I trust that. Not to mention the fact that it is has been in front of 2 juries and now numerous judges.

But to address that issue, Lyndel Robertson's gun was tested and was proven to not have fired the bullets that killed Cathy and wounded Lyndel. Check your facts.

Since: Jun 11

Overland Park, KS

#66 Nov 10, 2011
There is way more evidence against Brandon Thomure than there is against Mark Woodworth.

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#67 Nov 10, 2011
Chilli 58 wrote:
There is way more evidence against Brandon Thomure than there is against Mark Woodworth.
LMAO! That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Why then, weren't the investigators able to arrest Thomure? They had nothing on him. Is this a joke?
Rough and Ready

Higginsville, MO

#68 Nov 10, 2011
You are talking about the same investigators that lied, paid someone to lie, lied on the stand, and you don't question their statements?

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#69 Nov 10, 2011
Chilli 58 wrote:
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Very simple...Brandon used Robertson's gun. He got the gun out of Lyndel's pickup truck, grabbed the shells that were in the shed and went into the house and started shooting the Robertson's. Both Robertson & Woodworth owned identical guns. Grooves of both pistols were consistent with the recovered bullet fragments. There was a manufacturing defect that left a mark on the bullets in Woodworth's gun. Expert testified that several guns had that defect but for some reason, Robertson's gun was never tested for this defect.(I do recall an expert had requested to test both guns but never did get to test the Robertson's gun).
The Roberston gun was not tested for the defect but the test bullets did not show the significant defect like Woodworth's gun and test fired bullets did...and the bullet from Roberstson's liver.
Chilli 58 wrote:
Here's just some of the reason I believe Brandon is guilty. 1). Brandon had motive.
So did Mark
Chilli 58 wrote:
2). He tested positive for gun powder hours after the shooting.
The gun powder residue tests are not admissible in court because (especially in the early 1990's) they were not reliable and gave too many false positives. With the test the suspect is questioned to identify what might possibly trigger a false positive. Thomure had several reasons why it would be a false positive, such as him pumping gas.
Chilli 58 wrote:
3). Several witness saw him in town during the hours when he said he wasn't there.
First of all, everyone knows that eyewitness accounts are not in the least bit accurate. Secondly, he never denied being in town the next morning. He received a phone call at his home somewhere around 5 a.m. and sometime after that he left for Chillicothe. This was AFTER the murder.
Chilli 58 wrote:
4). Shell casing we're found in a car trunk after Brandon had stashed his duffel bag there...happens to be the same type used in the shooting.
This is complete hearsay and no cops, sheriff or Missouri Major Case Squad investigators saw this so called "evidence".
Chilli 58 wrote:
5). Brandon is capable of violence...he's had several restraining orders against him.
You are right about that. No one argues that. But restraining orders don't always lead to murder.

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#70 Nov 10, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
You are talking about the same investigators that lied, paid someone to lie, lied on the stand, and you don't question their statements?
So the Missouri Major Case Squad are all liars? The whole sheriff's department are liars and pay bribes? That is a bold statement there. I'd watch out if I were you.

I don't question them because what reason would they have to lie? There were more investigators in this case than I can count. So you are saying they were all paid off? Wow. That is some conspiracy.

“Good grief... ”

Since: Nov 11

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#71 Nov 10, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
You are talking about the same investigators that lied, paid someone to lie, lied on the stand, and you don't question their statements?
That would be one hell of a conspricy against Mark Woodworth. Please tell me why all of these people would get together to frame a 16 year old farm boy with no prior record.

I can't wait to hear this theory.

Since: Jun 11

Overland Park, KS

#72 Nov 10, 2011
VRA......nothing on Brandon Thomure? Are you kidding me. Did you not read my earlier post #64? He had motive...he had opportunity...he was in Chillicothe when he said he wasn't....he tested positive for gun powder on his hands....he has a violent temper....He had access to the same type of gun used in the shooting....the victim told several people he thought Brandon did it. AND the daughter thought Brandon did it because she put out a restraining order against him saying she felt Brandon might be responsible for her mothers death (although I don't know if she did this on her own or if she only did this because her father made her take out the restaining order). Why do you think she named Brandon in the restraining order? The daughter could have named anyone, even YOU in the restraining order ....But she didn't! She named Brandon. Why would she do that WITHOUT any evidence against him? VRA....you need to open your eyes. There's alot more evidence against Brandon than what they have on Mark Woodworth.

“Good grief... ”

Since: Nov 11

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#73 Nov 10, 2011
Chilli 58 wrote:
VRA......nothing on Brandon Thomure? Are you kidding me. Did you not read my earlier post #64? He had motive...he had opportunity...he was in Chillicothe when he said he wasn't....he tested positive for gun powder on his hands....he has a violent temper....He had access to the same type of gun used in the shooting....the victim told several people he thought Brandon did it. AND the daughter thought Brandon did it because she put out a restraining order against him saying she felt Brandon might be responsible for her mothers death (although I don't know if she did this on her own or if she only did this because her father made her take out the restaining order). Why do you think she named Brandon in the restraining order? The daughter could have named anyone, even YOU in the restraining order ....But she didn't! She named Brandon. Why would she do that WITHOUT any evidence against him? VRA....you need to open your eyes. There's alot more evidence against Brandon than what they have on Mark Woodworth.
How does anything you posted prove that Brandon did it. Please explain to me how Brandon got into the Woodworth bedroom, took their gun, then put it back without them knowing it? They must both be heavy sleepers huh?

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#74 Nov 10, 2011
Chilli 58 wrote:
VRA......nothing on Brandon Thomure? Are you kidding me. Did you not read my earlier post #64? He had motive...he had opportunity...he was in Chillicothe when he said he wasn't....he tested positive for gun powder on his hands....he has a violent temper....He had access to the same type of gun used in the shooting....the victim told several people he thought Brandon did it. AND the daughter thought Brandon did it because she put out a restraining order against him saying she felt Brandon might be responsible for her mothers death (although I don't know if she did this on her own or if she only did this because her father made her take out the restaining order). Why do you think she named Brandon in the restraining order? The daughter could have named anyone, even YOU in the restraining order ....But she didn't! She named Brandon. Why would she do that WITHOUT any evidence against him? VRA....you need to open your eyes. There's alot more evidence against Brandon than what they have on Mark Woodworth.
What you just told me is fluff. Hearsay. Circumstantial evidence. It is not cold, hard, factual, forensic evidence. If you want to convict someone on circumstantial evidence, that would be justice denied. You obviously don't understand the justice system. Most of what you just listed is not admissible in court for good reason. That is what keeps innocent people from going to prison. Quit being in denial. Fingerprints linking a suspect to a murder scene (and lying about how they got there) is evidence. Connecting the suspect's family gun to the bullets fired that came out of the victim, is evidence.

And as for the restraining order. No one said that Thomure wasn't violent or aggressive. Does violence always lead to murder? Of course not. Of course they thought it COULD (key word) have been him. He was a trouble maker. Hence, the restraining order. But that doesn't mean that they KNEW he did it. It just means that they were concerned and if it could have been then they wanted to take all precaution.

You have no idea what you would do until it happens to you, God forbid.
Rough and Ready

Higginsville, MO

#75 Nov 11, 2011
VRA, most people will lie if the money is good enough.
Ask the investigators how much they got paid to lie, and the ballistic spec. in England. He only got 20000 to lie. But he told..........

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#76 Nov 11, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
VRA, most people will lie if the money is good enough.
Ask the investigators how much they got paid to lie, and the ballistic spec. in England. He only got 20000 to lie. But he told..........
Another example of not knowing how the justice system works. BOTH the state's expert witnesses AND the defense expert witnesses are paid. Hhhmmmm. There goes your theory.
Rough and Ready

Higginsville, MO

#77 Nov 11, 2011
I didn't say testify, I said lie, and he reported that he was paid to lie. So there goes your theory.
I know a lot more about the justice system than I want to.

“Good grief... ”

Since: Nov 11

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#78 Nov 11, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
VRA, most people will lie if the money is good enough.
Ask the investigators how much they got paid to lie, and the ballistic spec. in England. He only got 20000 to lie. But he told..........
Damn! And someone accused me of slander! Where the f*ck is Absurd? Oh wait! The slander is probably ok since you are on Marks side, right?

LOL

“Good grief... ”

Since: Nov 11

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#79 Nov 11, 2011
Chillicothe, Mo.— A rural Chillicothe mother is murdered while sleeping in her family’s farm house. Will a mysterious fingerprint on a box of ammunition be the key to unlocking the mystery behind the brutal killing?

This will be the focus of an episode on the cable TV crime story series “On the Case with Paula Zahn”, which will feature the 1990 shooting death of Cathy Robertson and the subsequent convictions of her neighbor, Mark Woodworth.

Zahn and her crew were in north Missouri during the summer to interview Woodworth, now 36, who is incarcerated at a state correctional facility in Cameron, and is serving a life sentence for the death of Robertson. After the interview, part of the crew traveled to Chillicothe and continued with more interviews.

Woodworth was 16 when Robertson and her husband, Lyndel, were shot while sleeping at their home, across the highway from Woodworth’s family home, and a few miles west of Chillicothe on Missouri Route 190. Lyndel Robertson was shot several times and survived. He and Woodworth’s father were farming partners.

The 60-minute episode is scheduled to air at 9 p.m. and midnight this Sunday, Nov. 13, and again at noon on Saturday, Nov. 19.

Investigation Discovery is found on Windjammer Cable channel 138, Direct TV channel 285, and Dish Network channel 192
Absurd

Chillicothe, MO

#80 Nov 11, 2011
As much as I may not want to Pissantt I have to agree with you on this. There are 2 sides to every story. People should not be so closed minded. Obvious it is personal with some but just because someone does not agree with others does not mean they are wrong, stupid, liars, corrupt, biased, or friends with someone.

The judge with this case is very honorable. He will make the right call regardless of what anyone thinks or says. give it time.

“Good grief... ”

Since: Nov 11

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#82 Nov 11, 2011
Absurd wrote:
The judge with this case is very honorable. He will make the right call regardless of what anyone thinks or says. give it time.
I agree.

VRA

Since: Jul 10

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#83 Nov 11, 2011
forumpolice wrote:
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Did I miss something? I have not heard any testimony that states anyone was paid to lie. Where the hell did this come from?
You didn't miss anything. Just more make believe from the conspiracy theorists.

“Just Think of Duck Sauce ”

Since: Oct 09

Where the Green Grass Grows

#84 Nov 11, 2011
Rough and Ready wrote:
VRA, most people will lie if the money is good enough.
Ask the investigators how much they got paid to lie, and the ballistic spec. in England. He only got 20000 to lie. But he told..........
So how much were you paid to tell this lie? Hope it is enough to cover your ass, when the investigator and Specialist from England sues you for Libel/slander

Be careful who you unjustly malign. When you point the finger and accuse, remember there are three of them pointing right back at you.

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