About those 'overpaid' teachers here in Texas.........

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Tivo

Sherman, TX

#1 Mar 6, 2011
If you've been listening to the news about the school/teaching situation in the northern states, you are probably confused about a lot of things concerning education. The northern way of running their schools is a lot different than ours in Texas.

Texas has an entirely different system than the union states you are seeing on TV every night....Texas is a 'right to work' state and there are no teachers unions here. There are 'organization' but they have no power and have nothing to do with the local hiring/firing/salary policies - that's all local decisions.

As for the big 'benefits' some poster referred to:
again, those are union-mandated benefits in union states. NOT in Texas!

TENURE...Texas teachers don’t have tenure. The terms of employment are laid out in state law and school district policy, not in union-negotiated contracts.Why? Again.... Because Texas teachers don't have unions!

INSURANCE......In Texas, teachers pay all or most of their own insurance that the local district offers (they don't have to take it and many don't...the insurance in most districts is not great coverage and it's not cheap). In union states, their insurance is FREE (paid for by the taxpayers).

RETIREMENT.....In Texas, teachers fund their own retirement (in union states, the taxpayers have to pay for it...ALL of it! The teachers pay in nothing at all!!). In Texas, the state holds out about 6.2% of a teacher's salary every month and keeps it till they retire in 30-40 years...they then send them a little check every month til they die (may be a month, may be years). The amount of that check is set by the state. At this time, retired teachers have not had a cost of living adjustment (a raise) in 11 years.

SALARIES...The base pay for a beginning teacher in Texas is $27,320 for a 180-day per year contract (altho all of them put in much more time than that). There is an increase of about $600 a year after that. Most districts put in some local money to pay more than that, but that's a local choice and depends on the local economy. Most of the districts in our area don't pay a lot above that. Unfortunately, that's considered a 'good salary' in this area and many people resent the money they make. In union states, the salaries are about twice that.

I'm sure teachers in the union states would be shocked and horrified at Texas teachers''benefits' and salaries...it might make them appreciate the great benefits and salaries they have.

Many of the northerners who are moving to Texas thinking they are coming to the 'promised land' because of better weather, cheaper housing and more jobs are shocked when they find Texas is a 'right to work' state and realize they have to work and compete for jobs on their own merits and not be protected by union rules.

Unions served a good purpose in the past and still have an appropriate place in many industries...but the fact is we don't have them in the Texas schools and people need to understand that fact, and not be attacking Texas teachers based on what they see on the evening news from up north.
Witzend

Graham, TX

#2 Mar 6, 2011
Every ounce of this is a lie..........teacher's in TX are paid well. Check it out yourself.They have many benefits, they don't publish.
Your very disrepectful to post this today.
Typical of your kind
Seeker

Graham, TX

#3 Mar 6, 2011
BISD Benefits & Salary Schedules


•Classroom teachers, librarians, nurses and counselors will be paid no less than the minimum state salary schedule.(See Pay Scales below)
•All BISD employees are paid semimonthly over a 12 month period by direct deposit
•Payroll deductions employees may make include the employee's share of premiums for health, dental, life, and vision insurance; tax deferred annuities; the Texas Tomorrow Fund; TRS Service Buy Back; Teacher Organizations; United Way; Roth IRA; legal plans; and savings and loan payments through the Wichita Falls Teachers' Credit Union
•The District pays $225 per month toward the employee's health insurance premium.
•Health, Dental, Vision, Life, Cancer, Long Term Care, and Disability coverages are available to all full time employees
•A section 125 Flexible Fringe Benefits Plan is offered to employees
•The District has an Employee Wellness Program which annually offers free to employees: Flu immunizations, bone density screening, complete blood profile, and monthly newsletter.
•10 days paid sick leave: 5 state personal days and 5 local days that will accumulate annually (state days follow employee to any district in the state)
•Sick Leave Bank available to employees in the event of an unexpected illness, surgery, or disability due to an injury
•Family Medical Leave available to employees who have been employed by the district for at least 12 months. Employee may be granted up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave each year.
•The district, in accordance with state law, provides workers' compensation insurance to employees.


2010-11 SALARY SCALES

Years Exp. Teachers with Bachelors Degrees Teachers with Masters Degrees
0 $33,000 $36,000
1 $33,275 $36,275
2 $33,575 $36,575
3 $33,875 $36,875
4 $34,175 $37,175
5 $34,475 $37,475
6 $34,775 $37,775
7 $35,200 $38,200
8 $35,850 $38,850
9 $36,790 $39,790
10 $37,770 $40,770
11 $38,740 $41,740
12 $39,660 $42,660
13 $40,540 $43,540
14 $41,350 $44,350
15 $42,130 $45,130
16 $42,860 $45,860
17 $43,560 $46,560
18 $44,210 $47,210
19 $44,830 $47,830
20 $45,420 $48,420

And you don't work all year.There are more perks you wont need day care after age 5-6 and those Real estate perks.. on forclosed houses??? Tell the truth.. You get lower interest HUH?? Yes
Tivo

Sherman, TX

#4 Mar 6, 2011
Could you give some specific examples, please? I am sure there are many teachers who would like to know where to go to sign up for the benefits of which you seem to have secret knowledge.

Also, Would you define "my kind", please? As far as I know,"my kind" is the kind who states facts based on information from the Texas Education Agency website and from personal experience."My kind" also writes in complete sentences and spells reasonably well. But I'm sure you have a more complete description.
Seeker

Graham, TX

#5 Mar 6, 2011
I just posted the facts for you.
Wondering

United States

#6 Mar 6, 2011
Seeker wrote:
BISD Benefits & Salary Schedules
•Classroom teachers, librarians, nurses and counselors will be paid no less than the minimum state salary schedule.(See Pay Scales below)
•All BISD employees are paid semimonthly over a 12 month period by direct deposit
•Payroll deductions employees may make include the employee's share of premiums for health, dental, life, and vision insurance; tax deferred annuities; the Texas Tomorrow Fund; TRS Service Buy Back; Teacher Organizations; United Way; Roth IRA; legal plans; and savings and loan payments through the Wichita Falls Teachers' Credit Union
•The District pays $225 per month toward the employee's health insurance premium.
•Health, Dental, Vision, Life, Cancer, Long Term Care, and Disability coverages are available to all full time employees
•A section 125 Flexible Fringe Benefits Plan is offered to employees
•The District has an Employee Wellness Program which annually offers free to employees: Flu immunizations, bone density screening, complete blood profile, and monthly newsletter.
•10 days paid sick leave: 5 state personal days and 5 local days that will accumulate annually (state days follow employee to any district in the state)
•Sick Leave Bank available to employees in the event of an unexpected illness, surgery, or disability due to an injury
•Family Medical Leave available to employees who have been employed by the district for at least 12 months. Employee may be granted up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave each year.
•The district, in accordance with state law, provides workers' compensation insurance to employees.
2010-11 SALARY SCALES
Years Exp. Teachers with Bachelors Degrees Teachers with Masters Degrees
0 $33,000 $36,000
1 $33,275 $36,275
2 $33,575 $36,575
3 $33,875 $36,875
4 $34,175 $37,175
5 $34,475 $37,475
6 $34,775 $37,775
7 $35,200 $38,200
8 $35,850 $38,850
9 $36,790 $39,790
10 $37,770 $40,770
11 $38,740 $41,740
12 $39,660 $42,660
13 $40,540 $43,540
14 $41,350 $44,350
15 $42,130 $45,130
16 $42,860 $45,860
17 $43,560 $46,560
18 $44,210 $47,210
19 $44,830 $47,830
20 $45,420 $48,420
And you don't work all year.There are more perks you wont need day care after age 5-6 and those Real estate perks.. on forclosed houses??? Tell the truth.. You get lower interest HUH?? Yes
Also, you are allowed to double dip into the system. Look at all of the teachers and 1 principal( McKinleys) who have retired then gone back for a full time job. They are cheating a new teacher out of a job and depleting the retirement fund!
Your Momma

Burkburnett, TX

#7 Mar 6, 2011
Tivo is a typical Union Goon.
Witzend

Graham, TX

#8 Mar 6, 2011
Tivo wrote:
If you've been listening to the news about the school/teaching situation in the northern states, you are probably confused about a lot of things concerning education. The northern way of running their schools is a lot different than ours in Texas.
Texas has an entirely different system than the union states you are seeing on TV every night....Texas is a 'right to work' state and there are no teachers unions here. There are 'organization' but they have no power and have nothing to do with the local hiring/firing/salary policies - that's all local decisions.
As for the big 'benefits' some poster referred to:
again, those are union-mandated benefits in union states. NOT in Texas!
TENURE...Texas teachers don’t have tenure. The terms of employment are laid out in state law and school district policy, not in union-negotiated contracts.Why? Again.... Because Texas teachers don't have unions!
INSURANCE......In Texas, teachers pay all or most of their own insurance that the local district offers (they don't have to take it and many don't...the insurance in most districts is not great coverage and it's not cheap). In union states, their insurance is FREE (paid for by the taxpayers).
RETIREMENT.....In Texas, teachers fund their own retirement (in union states, the taxpayers have to pay for it...ALL of it! The teachers pay in nothing at all!!). In Texas, the state holds out about 6.2% of a teacher's salary every month and keeps it till they retire in 30-40 years...they then send them a little check every month til they die (may be a month, may be years). The amount of that check is set by the state. At this time, retired teachers have not had a cost of living adjustment (a raise) in 11 years.
SALARIES...The base pay for a beginning teacher in Texas is $27,320 for a 180-day per year contract (altho all of them put in much more time than that). There is an increase of about $600 a year after that. Most districts put in some local money to pay more than that, but that's a local choice and depends on the local economy. Most of the districts in our area don't pay a lot above that. Unfortunately, that's considered a 'good salary' in this area and many people resent the money they make. In union states, the salaries are about twice that.
I'm sure teachers in the union states would be shocked and horrified at Texas teachers''benefits' and salaries...it might make them appreciate the great benefits and salaries they have.
Many of the northerners who are moving to Texas thinking they are coming to the 'promised land' because of better weather, cheaper housing and more jobs are shocked when they find Texas is a 'right to work' state and realize they have to work and compete for jobs on their own merits and not be protected by union rules.
Unions served a good purpose in the past and still have an appropriate place in many industries...but the fact is we don't have them in the Texas schools and people need to understand that fact, and not be attacking Texas teachers based on what they see on the evening news from up north.
I felt it was rude to use this town's forum today, this town has lost one of it's children to a car wreck. They have 3 other's fighting to live. I had no clue to the union issue in the news. I doubt many of them care either.You should have been able to read the post below about the wreck. You must of had knowledge of here or you would not have posted here. It's a community in grief and shock.
Tivo

Sherman, TX

#9 Mar 6, 2011
You have misunderstood my statements....I am NOT in support of unions for teachers, certainly not a 'union goon'- I was merely pointing out that Texas teachers are not unionized and don't have the big benefits and salaries paid for by the taxpayers of those in union states. I think their system is very unfair to taxpayers.

The benefits that you point out other than basic health insurance and sick leave are, if you will note,'available' or 'allowed'- that means that if a teacher wants to pay for them they can, not that the taxpayers have to pay for them and give them to them like other states.The Family Medical Leave 'benefit', if you'll note, is 'unpaid', which is as it should be, in my opinion.

I am glad to see that your district pays a little above state minimum and that they pay at least part of the teacher's insurance....many do, as I stated in my post. I have no idea where "BISD" is...I don't know what the "B" stands for. I assumed I was posting in the Quanah forum since that's what the top of the page says.

As for double-dipping (retire/rehire), I agree with you - the jobs should be made available for new teachers considering the current high unemployment rate in our country.I understand that the state has put a stop to that practice now. As for 'depleting the retirement fund'...that money was put in there by the teachers themselves, not the taxpayers, like it is in union states.

I am very sorry to hear about the loss in your city, wherever it may be. It's apparently not Quanah. I regret you felt it rude to use this forum today, although it appears you are using it yourself.

And if you, as you said,'have no clue' of the serious union issues and riots taking place in the United States at this time, you are an uninformed person who needs to become more aware of what's going on in your country before attacking someone else's statements. We don't have to agree, but our opinions need to be based on knowledge and facts, not just personal resentment,jealousy and lack of information.

Witzend

Graham, TX

#10 Mar 6, 2011
your post showed up in the Crowell forum. The B is for Burkburnett. That is where I found the income levels.
As for me being out of the loop of the new. I have not seen one bit of national news today. I have other issue's besides teacher's issues to deal with. Can you being a teacher handle that I can vote on this today you know! So, as far as you feeling I need to get informed, GO piss on yourself
Disgusted

Graham, TX

#11 Mar 6, 2011
As for TX not being a Union state for teachers. It is not a union state for 99% of it's workers.

I am pretty tired of teacher's crying in their beer.
Half this nation is loosing their jobs, so move over.
If you don't want every Holiday off and a long Thanksgiving, Christmas Spring Break and very long summer. With all the trimmings.
Get out of the way.. your bitching is boring the hell out of me.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#12 Mar 7, 2011
Our teacher's don't make squat.

We need to pay teachers double what they get now to make sure we get only the best and brightest.
Disgusted Too

United States

#13 Mar 7, 2011
Our teachers are lazy. Look at all the aids ,three teachers to a class of ten or fifteen. And still they cant pass a taks test.Just like karate kid said, no bad students just bad teachers.
Damn it

United States

#14 Mar 8, 2011
Thats what happens when the school board hires their kin folks and friends just so they can have a job.They all need to be laid off.The school board needs to be replaced.More money needs to be spent on eduacation not on sports.
Really

Bellevue, TX

#15 Mar 28, 2011
Witzend wrote:
Every ounce of this is a lie..........teacher's in TX are paid well. Check it out yourself.They have many benefits, they don't publish.
Your very disrepectful to post this today.
Typical of your kind
You are not only very wrong you are a jackass. I dare you to go to the district office and ask what the pay is for a beginning teacher. Then ask then about pay raises. QISD is a Title One district (translation "poor") and therefore does not pay as much as other districts. A good waitress in Quanah can make as much as a teacher here.
Really

Bellevue, TX

#16 Mar 28, 2011
Disgusted wrote:
As for TX not being a Union state for teachers. It is not a union state for 99% of it's workers.
I am pretty tired of teacher's crying in their beer.
Half this nation is loosing their jobs, so move over.
If you don't want every Holiday off and a long Thanksgiving, Christmas Spring Break and very long summer. With all the trimmings.
Get out of the way.. your bitching is boring the hell out of me.
Hello World......you want to understand what has happened to this country and this town. Read this post, it's all right there in black and white.

You think teaching is easy, I challenge you to teach for one week. I'd bet my entire bank account (which is healthy) that you wouldn't last one day.
I Still Care

Graham, TX

#17 Mar 28, 2011
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>Also, you are allowed to double dip into the system. Look at all of the teachers and 1 principal( McKinleys) who have retired then gone back for a full time job. They are cheating a new teacher out of a job and depleting the retirement fund!
Thank you for posting this. I have tried to tell people this and they can't understand it. Tell me how we have always found jobs for new coaches wifes and retired teachers like McNeese and Allen. These two are nice women, but those jobs could have been for someone with a young/family who needed a job!
Concerned Parent

Rockwall, TX

#18 May 11, 2013
Witzend wrote:
Every ounce of this is a lie..........teacher's in TX are paid well. Check it out yourself.They have many benefits, they don't publish.
Your very disrepectful to post this today.
Typical of your kind
Hey Witzend, I know this is two years later, but no one gives a **** that you're butthurt about the OP posting in your county's forum. I'm sorry some kid died, but you being a moron by implying the OP was rude.This has nothing to do with that kid, and has more to do with the fact that I wish you had quality teachers because then you would of had the intelligence to see the URL has the words "Quanah, TX" in it. Go cry me a river, sheep hurling yokel.
Serrano Red

Perryton, TX

#19 May 11, 2013
Teachers are not overpaid
Rockin tha BIG Q

Van Nuys, CA

#20 May 11, 2013
Serrano Red wrote:
Teachers are not overpaid
Very very few teachers are overpaid.Most do not even deserve to be part of the educational system.

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