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Should the government provide access to health care for everyone?

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The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#1 Jul 19, 2014
Yes, it should. 52 % No, it shouldn't. 48 % If repubicans had been willing to work with Democrats I'd bet we'd have something better than the Affordable Care Act.

http://politix.topix.com/debate/42-should-the...
Barry

Paradise, CA

#2 Jul 19, 2014
Health care today, more free stuff later.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#3 Jul 19, 2014
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So What?

We already get:

Free schools.

Free libraries.

Free parks.

Free police protection.

Free fireworks.

Freeways.

Why no "free" healthcare?
Jack Doff

Chico, CA

#4 Jul 19, 2014
I am a school teacher and make very little money. My work is a labor of love and a commitment to children. I know that there are greedy people that are not committed to the advancement of others in our society so why not make then pay for my healthcare. We should all be pulling together and benefiting from the fruits of our society as they will profit from the educated people that I will turn out for them for future employees.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#5 Jul 19, 2014
Who said anything about "free" health care? I pay taxes and would rather some of those "taxes" going to a single payer healthcare system than going to corporate welfare.
HaagenHut Now

Chico, CA

#6 Jul 19, 2014
If we are all sharing everything and "pulling in the same direction" then I think I will pull less hard then I have been. If I get what society allocates to me rather then what I can earn for myself then what is my motivation to work harder or pursue new ideas? Quality single payer health care is a utopian dream. European health care has been this way for many years and I can tell you that when the Danish get seriously ill then they come to the US if they possibly can.
JACKED Off

Chico, CA

#7 Jul 19, 2014
Jack Doff wrote:
I am a school teacher and make very little money. My work is a labor of love and a commitment to children. I know that there are greedy people that are not committed to the advancement of others in our society so why not make then pay for my healthcare. We should all be pulling together and benefiting from the fruits of our society as they will profit from the educated people that I will turn out for them for future employees.
Please tell us that you are not working in close proximity to children. I am very creepedout by your job and chosen moniker!
tBagger STUPID Rhetoric

United States

#8 Jul 20, 2014
The right is wrong wrote:
Yes, it should. 52 % No, it shouldn't. 48 % If repubicans had been willing to work with Democrats I'd bet we'd have something better than the Affordable Care Act.
http://politix.topix.com/debate/42-should-the...
The expansion of Medicare for CATASTROPHIC PURPOSES was the key to the whole thing! To buy into medicare was essential to insuring ALL Americans and getting our Healthcare Costs and Services under control! The Tea Bagger Republicans HATE THAT EVENTUALITY!

But oh no, the Tea Bagger Republicans had to negotiate changes for their Health Insurance Industry Masters so as to "FLATLINE" the legislation. Then NOT ONE Republican VOTED FOR THE LEGISLATION! As usual they Created a Problem they could try to EXPLOIT Politically in the future to the DETRIMENT of America and the American People! GOP CREED!

However, their STAGNATION on ALL Legislation and their Racist Pledge to NOT pass any Legislation while a Black President is in Office has BACKFIRED!

The, the TEA BAGGER GOP, has been identified with FAILURE to GOVERN for RADICAL EXTREMIST PURPOSES and REASONS! The AMERICAN PEOPLE will not tolerate that for much longer! We Can'T!!!

America is to IMMENSELY TALENTED to allow the likes of the KKK Styled FAILURE TEA BAGGER IDEOLGY to mature and to allow the FAILURE of our PEOPLE!.

EDUCATION is by far and away CHEAPER than INCARCERATION!
tBagger STUPID Rhetoric

United States

#9 Jul 20, 2014
Jack Doff wrote:
I am a school teacher and make very little money. My work is a labor of love and a commitment to children. I know that there are greedy people that are not committed to the advancement of others in our society so why not make then pay for my healthcare. We should all be pulling together and benefiting from the fruits of our society as they will profit from the educated people that I will turn out for them for future employees.
You are a CHILD ABUSER and cannot get ANY TEACHING CREDENTIALS!

YOU should be kept 100 feet from ANYWHERE children are!!!

You spent your PROBATION for Child Abuse in Mexico and now have returned to the USA that you HATE.

You moved to Chico last year, fleeing from Willits Ca where you are UNIVERSALLY HATED as a domestic threat to the public and under surveillance.

Now you are CHICO'S Crazy along with the Danish Nazi HAAGENSLUT, your so called dead wife.

Chico Police should keep a close eye on you!!!!
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#10 Jul 20, 2014
HaagenHut Now wrote:
If we are all sharing everything and "pulling in the same direction" then I think I will pull less hard then I have been.
That's because you're a typical repubican lemming. As a union worker I was sick of the repubicans who were union members but refused to work as hard as their union brothers who actually earned their pay.

State government is full of repubicans who "lean" on their shovel all day and make all state workers look bad.
Freestuff

Paradise, CA

#11 Jul 20, 2014
Barry wrote:
Health care today, more free stuff later.
A nonprofit group is taking a novel approach to helping the homeless in San Francisco with a new bus that allows them to take a shower.
The former public transit bus has been outfitted with two full private bathrooms and offers hot showers, clean toilets, shampoo, soap and towels free of charge. The founder of the nonprofit Lava Mae mobile shower bus said she wanted to return a sense of dignity to those living on the streets
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http://news.yahoo.com/bus-becomes-shower-home...
ON MY BUM

Chico, CA

#12 Jul 20, 2014
I think Chico needs a bus like that one. Ann Squab can get that dun! Ours cood also have a bar with hooch on it
Freestuff

Oroville, CA

#13 Jul 21, 2014
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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So What?
We already get:
Free schools.
Free libraries.
Free parks.
Free police protection.
Free fireworks.
Freeways.
Why no "free" healthcare?
We will workless and get more freestuff in the future.
The world’s second richest man, Mexican telecom billionaire Carlos Slim said at a business conference in Paraguay that it’s time for a “radical overhaul” in the way people work, according to The Financial Times. Slim said people should work three-days a week, to give employees more time to relax and have a better quality of life.
Slim's comments come just a few weeks after Google (GOOGL) founder Larry Page talked about a four-day work week. Speaking at an event organized by venture-capital firm Khosla Ventures, Page said, "The idea that everyone needs to work frantically to meet people's needs is just not true."
Freestuff

Oroville, CA

#14 Jul 21, 2014
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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So What?
We already get:
Free schools.
Free libraries.
Free parks.
Free police protection.
Free fireworks.
Freeways.
Why no "free" healthcare?
Taxes and fees are imposed upon the community to finance the freestuff you've listed.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#15 Jul 21, 2014
Freestuff wrote:
<quoted text>We will workless and get more freestuff in the future.
The world’s second richest man, Mexican telecom billionaire Carlos Slim said at a business conference in Paraguay that it’s time for a “radical overhaul” in the way people work, according to The Financial Times. Slim said people should work three-days a week, to give employees more time to relax and have a better quality of life.
Slim's comments come just a few weeks after Google (GOOGL) founder Larry Page talked about a four-day work week. Speaking at an event organized by venture-capital firm Khosla Ventures, Page said, "The idea that everyone needs to work frantically to meet people's needs is just not true."

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With the advances in automation replacing people daily i can actually see a day when work will be pretty much voluntary.

The vast majority of people will do their own thing because manufacturers will be required to set aside, or be taxed, an amount equal to what automation saves them on labor, that money will be used to support those who are not part of the workforce.
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#16 Jul 21, 2014
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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With the advances in automation replacing people daily i can actually see a day when work will be pretty much voluntary.
The vast majority of people will do their own thing because manufacturers will be required to set aside, or be taxed, an amount equal to what automation saves them on labor, that money will be used to support those who are not part of the workforce.
I agree and think as it happens the capitalistic system of take from the workers and give to the rich will end.

When the rich don't need workers anymore those workers will revolt
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#17 Jul 21, 2014
The right is wrong wrote:
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I agree and think as it happens the capitalistic system of take from the workers and give to the rich will end.
When the rich don't need workers anymore those workers will revolt
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It has happened many times before and it will happen again, one could say that nothing blinds people to history as much as greed does.
Krankenstein

Glenn, CA

#18 Jul 21, 2014
Not a problem. We can move our factories off shore and be out of here before you can say Marie Antoinette! Too bad the US is determined to go communist. It was a very nice place to live and do business.

Good luck with the economic tar pit that you moronic libs are creating. You will all be starving to death someday but you wont figure it out until your tummies hurt!!!
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#19 Jul 21, 2014
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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With the advances in automation replacing people daily i can actually see a day when work will be pretty much voluntary.
The vast majority of people will do their own thing because manufacturers will be required to set aside, or be taxed, an amount equal to what automation saves them on labor, that money will be used to support those who are not part of the workforce.
Agreed, GRANDPA, that's the way it should be, because the world has changed dramatically.

The conservatives always talk about the past with starry eyes, such as the 1950's. But they don't understand that decade at all. We were a rich society then, for everyone. We had very high taxes on the upper tax brackets, we invested as a country into our infrastructure, and into paying for our GI's' development.

And we had good paying manufacturing jobs, partly thanks to our strong unions. And the jobs stayed here, in our own country. But now, thanks to the corporate-political cartel, millions of our jobs have been sent overseas, or have been automated. And the jobs that are left here are low paying and have fewer and fewer benefits.

We've sold out to the fat cats, and too many of us have been duped by the trickle-down lie. The Tbaggers think that if we just give more and more to the very rich all will work out. It hasn't worked, and it won't work.

The Walmart clan is worth 150 billion dollars, and they pay their employees so little that we taxpayers have to make up the difference. Amazon.com has a few billionaire owners, and they pay their warehouse workers $15 an hour at best. Walmart and Amazon have decimated all kinds of stores throughout our nation, because of the unstoppable power of globalization and computers. That's great, we can't and shouldn't stop progress.

But we also can't ignore the affect this new monopolization of our marketplace has on all of us. As these behemoths rake in more and more billions through automation and globalization the rest of us are scampering around looking for any low paying job we can get.

I remember reading an article in Time Magazine when the computers first came out, back in the early 1960's. The article forecast a time when automation would cut jobs, and leave us with more and more low-paying jobs. It took 50 years, but because of automation-- and the globalization of jobs--that time is now here.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#20 Jul 22, 2014
Krankenstein wrote:
Not a problem. We can move our factories off shore and be out of here before you can say Marie Antoinette! Too bad the US is determined to go communist. It was a very nice place to live and do business.
Good luck with the economic tar pit that you moronic libs are creating. You will all be starving to death someday but you wont figure it out until your tummies hurt!!!
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The US "was a very nice place to live and do business," we also had a prospering middle class and and infrastructure and life style that were the envy of the World. That was until…

the plutocrats, backed by their underachieving conservative sycophants, decided they deserved munificent tax breaks, and Reagan obliged them.

Prior to that, mere yards separated the rich from the poor, after Reagan's "tax revolution" the wealth inequality gap has mushroomed to miles and is still growing.

Keep pushing your luck and moving the factories of shore and the American people will make sure that you meet up with Marie Antoinnete.

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