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Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#107 Feb 28, 2014
Krankenstein wrote:
Your comments regarding getting the economy reinvigorated and what effect that would have are spot on in my opinion but we might disagree on the prescription to get to that point. I am not a fan of fiscal policy ie government spending to push infrastructure project because I don't see government spending as an efficient mechanism to create employment. I would prefer private sector job creation possibly through economic incentives such investment tax credits for new productive capacity and maybe tied to actual job creation targets.
Interesting dialogue, thanks
Yes, I appreciate having this discussion!

When private industry is not hiring, only the government can step in to invigorate the economy. With infrastructure spending the government hires many private firms to rebuild/renovate our schools, bridges, roads, energy grids, ports, and so on. These private firms hire millions of new employees. These new employees are taken off of unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other safety net programs, which saves tax dollars.

And these millions of new workers PAY taxes (instead of us taxpayers supporting them), and they also now have more money to spend, promoting hiring in many other businesses. Many more millions are hired by these booming businesses. It's an upward economic cycle.

World War II was a huge 'stimulus program' which pulled us out of the Great Depression. And in the 1950's President Eisenhower continued the stimulus by building the nationwide freeway system, by instituting the GI Bill, and even by helping to rebuild Europe with the Marshall Plan.

And our huge national debt was getting repaid, and all Americans prospered. History shows that the government can play an important role in getting our economy humming again.

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Lucerne, CA

#109 Mar 1, 2014
Florida restaurant chain adds Obamacare surcharge to meal bills

http://news.msn.com/us/florida-restaurant-cha...

Dockside said it wants to continue to offer full-time employment so its employees don't have to work multiple jobs to make a living.

"Therefore, instead of raising prices on our products to generate the additional revenue needed to cover the cost of ACA compliance, Gator's Dockside has implemented a 1 percent surcharge on all food and beverage purchases only," the notice adds.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#110 Mar 1, 2014
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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And these millions of new workers PAY taxes (instead of us taxpayers supporting them), and they also now have more money to spend, promoting hiring in many other businesses. Many more millions are hired by these booming businesses. It's an upward economic cycle.
In effect, since it is tax payer money paying for the infrastructure projects, we are paying the wages as well as the workers taxes.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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World War II was a huge 'stimulus program' which pulled us out of the Great Depression. And in the 1950's President Eisenhower continued the stimulus by building the nationwide freeway system, by instituting the GI Bill, and even by helping to rebuild Europe with the Marshall Plan.
And our huge national debt was getting repaid, and all Americans prospered. History shows that the government can play an important role in getting our economy humming again.
World War II did not stimulate the economy nor did it end the Great Depression. Rationing during the war in almost all areas of consumer goods is hardly and economic recovery.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...
Chico Chic

Chico, CA

#111 Mar 1, 2014
Let's ask the question again, and maybe he will answer----

HEY GRANDPA NICOLAI, AREN'T YOU A MEMBER OF NAMBLA?
the a-nus touch

Lucerne, CA

#114 Mar 2, 2014
Some folks have the golden touch....everything they touch turns out good.

And some folks have the a-nus touch.....everything turns to sheeit.

Our current leader is definitely one of the latter.

He cannot seem to do anything right.....except hate on many of his own people. He has done a good job screwing republicans......he has gotten his political way.........obamacare......... .stimulus......huge national debt.........and yet, 50 million Americans have been forced onto food stamps, and over 20 million Americans remain out of a job.......and all of the while, he has run up the national debt to almost $18 TRILLION.
If that isn' the a-nus touch........I don't know what is.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#115 Mar 2, 2014
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The "a-nus touch" is what gave enormous tax breaks to the wealthy, eventually decimating the middle class, of whom presumably our very own THE A-NUS TOUCH is a member of.

The "a-nus touch" is what gave us the S&L crisis and the Iran Contra affair"

The "a-nus touch" is what allowed the worst attack on the US mainland.

The "a-nus touch" saddled us with two phony multi trillion dollars wars.

The "a-nus touch" gave us the worst recession since the great depression.

The "a-nus touch" is what closed our government when the economy could have afforded it the least.

Now THAT is the "a-nus touch"
Tea Party Solution

Redding, CA

#116 Mar 3, 2014
Sam Lowree wrote:
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In effect, since it is tax payer money paying for the infrastructure projects, we are paying the wages as well as the workers taxes.
And we'd also be getting renovated bridges, roads, ports, schools, and electrical grids. No private firms are going to do these things for free. We HAVE to renovate our crumbling infrastructure eventually. Why not do it now while interest rates are so low, and reinvigorate our economy at the same time?

And we'd also be saving money because hiring millions of new employees takes them off of our safety net programs. And other businesses NOT receiving money from the government will then hire millions more workers to meet the new demand for materials and services. And all of these booming businesses and their workers would then be paying more taxes.

This promotes an upward cycle.

Austerity-- on the other hand-- just shrinks the economy further, cutting our jobs, which leads to more businesses laying off more people due to shrinking demand. And it leads to less and less tax revenue. Austerity is a downward cycle.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<World War II did not stimulate the economy nor did it end the Great Depression. Rationing during the war in almost all areas of consumer goods is hardly and economic recovery.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...
Of course there was rationing during the War. But we were pulling out of the Depression in the late 1930's, and the militarization buildup and huge federal spending doubled economic growth rates, and lowered unemployment to under 10%. After the war, even with high taxes, our economy boomed.

Repub president Eisenhower continued the 'stimulus' spending after the war, even though at the war's end our national debt was a staggering 122% of the GDP. And for the next 35 years we continually lowered the debt.

Until Reagan. He increased the national debt up over 50% of the GDP, due to cold war spending combined with lowering taxes.

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