Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#65 Nov 3, 2013
Medicare was reformed through much adjunct legislation after it became law. Congress and presidents passed bills that helped to improve this massive legislation.

The ACA needs improvement, and legislation needs to be passed to improve it-- but in the regular, democratic ways-- not by trying to remove the whole thing, or isolated parts of it, as a hostage threat to passing a budget or raising the debt ceiling.

But that's not the way the Tbaggers roll. They don't pass bills. They instead threaten the entire country with their terrorist demands.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#66 Nov 3, 2013
ya, ya, ya, teepee.
You lefty democrats passed obamacare wihout one vote from the loyal oppostion, and now you want the loyal opposition to help you to fix the huge mess obamacare has become?
Go screw yourself libtard.

Obamacare wil not survive after the midterm elections.
It has been bad news from the beginning, so go quack up anoter tree with your lame duck potus.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#68 Nov 3, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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It's tyranny for us taxpayers-- we the people-- to be forced to pay the medical expenses for those who use the emergency room for their medical catastrophes. Even the conservative Heritage Foundation supported, actually they proposed, the individual mandate.
We as consumers also pay for losses that stores incur because of shoplifters. Does that mean that the government should come in and force everyone in the country, just because they are alive, to pay for the shoplifting that takes place. The stores figure how to cut their losses by installing cameras, detectors, and security personnel. I am sure that hospitals if allowed to work with the insurance companies could figure out to cut their losses as well. As insurance consumers we also pay for the low Medicare rates that the government pays to doctors and hospitals. We all pay for those costs.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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We all have to buy car insurance. That may seem like tyranny to the people who don't want to pay for auto insurance, but it mandates that they will be protected in the event of an accident, so that the rest of us don't have to pay the bill. It also mandates that their insurance pays for medical and vehicle costs of the person they hit in an accident.
Think of how huge the premiums would be for those who bought auto insurance if half of the drivers out there had no insurance at all.
And auto insurance also has mandated minimum coverage, for the same reason-- to protect the rest of us.
Insurance companies working together to lower their losses is a good thing, that is how the free market is supposed to work. People who donít want to pay for auto insurance should suffer the same loss as those who donít buy home owners or renters insurance.
You werenít paying attention earlier. I donít need the government to mandate that everyone has auto insurance, it may be a surprise to you but there are people out there who drive without auto insurance, because I buy a rider to protect myself from uninsured drivers. The fool cares not for his own welfare why do you think he cares about yours. I buy all the insurance that I think I need to protect myself, I do not need the government to tell me what to buy.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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As much as the righties hate to admit the fact, we all live together, and irresponsible people affect the lives of the rest of us. THAT'S the tyranny that righties literally can't see or understand.
A successful society does the best it can to weigh individual rights with the rights of society as a whole.
What you Lefties donít seem to understand is that the government can never mandate responsibility into itsí citizenry. You fail to understand human nature. There are those of us who live responsibly and are law abiding while there will always be an element out there who are not responsible and do what ever they want. By trying to mandate behaviour for the irresponsible few you penalize the responsible.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#69 Nov 3, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
Medicare was reformed through much adjunct legislation after it became law. Congress and presidents passed bills that helped to improve this massive legislation.
And it is still going bankrupt. Medicare and SSI are both going bankrupt but could be fixed with the correct legislation. Why is everyone once they reach 65 forced to go on Medicare?

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#70 Nov 3, 2013
Obama lied. And thus it starts.

"Everyone now is clamoring about Affordable Care Act winners and losers. I am one of the losers.

My grievance is not political; all my energies are directed to enjoying life and staying alive, and I have no time for politics. For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis. I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.

My choice is to get coverage through the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors, or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange (the quotes average 40% to 50% more) for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits. "

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#71 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
Obama lied. And thus it starts.
"Everyone now is clamoring about Affordable Care Act winners and losers. I am one of the losers.
My grievance is not political; all my energies are directed to enjoying life and staying alive, and I have no time for politics. For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis. I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.
My choice is to get coverage through the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors, or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange (the quotes average 40% to 50% more) for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits. "
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
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"The need of the many outweigh the need of the few"
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#72 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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And it is still going bankrupt. Medicare and SSI are both going bankrupt but could be fixed with the correct legislation. Why is everyone once they reach 65 forced to go on Medicare?
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Many things can be corrected and prevented with the correct legislation and....

As far as Medicare go, could it be that major employers were the ones who insisted people go on Medicare once people reach 65...???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#73 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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What you Lefties donít seem to understand is that the government can never mandate responsibility into itsí citizenry. You fail to understand human nature. There are those of us who live responsibly and are law abiding while there will always be an element out there who are not responsible and do what ever they want. By trying to mandate behaviour for the irresponsible few you penalize the responsible.
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So why then do all you self styled "responsible" right wing whack jobs think you are penalized if the government insist that everyone act responsibly????
Zeni

Sopot, Poland

#74 Nov 4, 2013
all healthcare should be eliminated in usa, it is not needed. It would be more money for wars, israel and nas if it wouldn't be healthcare there at all especially for all these rich , criminal pigs.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#75 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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We as consumers also pay for losses that stores incur because of shoplifters. Does that mean that the government should come in and force everyone in the country, just because they are alive, to pay for the shoplifting that takes place. The stores figure how to cut their losses by installing cameras, detectors, and security personnel. I am sure that hospitals if allowed to work with the insurance companies could figure out to cut their losses as well. As insurance consumers we also pay for the low Medicare rates that the government pays to doctors and hospitals. We all pay for those costs.
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But...but...everyone does pay for the shoplifting that takes place because businesses factor into the price of the merchandise the cost of the shoplifting that takes place, the cameras, detectors, security personnel etc...

BTW, who exactly prevented the hospitals from working with the insurance companies to figure out ways to cut their losses...???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#76 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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surance companies working together to lower their losses is a good thing, that is how the free market is supposed to work. People who donít want to pay for auto insurance should suffer the same loss as those who donít buy home owners or renters insurance.
You werenít paying attention earlier. I donít need the government to mandate that everyone has auto insurance, it may be a surprise to you but there are people out there who drive without auto insurance, because I buy a rider to protect myself from uninsured drivers. The fool cares not for his own welfare why do you think he cares about yours. I buy all the insurance that I think I need to protect myself, I do not need the government to tell me what to buy.
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Judging by your comprehension problems and inability to think straight you definitely do need the government to tell you what to buy...

What SOLUTION said and you did not stop to think is that If the government did not require everyone to buy auto insurance then your "uninsured drivers rider' would cost you a hundred fold what you are paying today...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#78 Nov 4, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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"The need of the many outweigh the need of the few"
This is all anyone needs to know about your philosophy. Karl Marx would be proud.
TWP

Wichita Falls, TX

#79 Nov 4, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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"The need of the many outweigh the need of the few"
"The need of the many outweigh the need of the few"...
-Road Toa d

Wow...!

And this is coming from someone who claims to be worth over $100 Million Dollars...?!!!

So... old Road Toa d is either a HYPOCRITE or a LIAR...!

Poor pathetic old fool!!!

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

ROTFLMAO...!!!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#80 Nov 4, 2013
Obama lied.

"After receiving a letter from her insurer that her plan was being discontinued, Deborah Persico, a 58-year-old lawyer in the District, found a comparable plan on the cityís new health insurance exchange. But her monthly premium, now $297, would be $165 higher, and her maximum out-of-pocket costs would double.

That means she could end up paying at least $5,000 more a year than she does now.ďThatís just not fair,Ē said Persico, who represents indigent criminal defendants.ďThis is ridiculous.Ē

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health...
TWP

Wichita Falls, TX

#81 Nov 4, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
My insurance will go down by $200 a month, with NO tax credit.
"My insurance will go down by $200 a month..."
-Road Toa d

Wow...!

While everyone else's insurance is being canceled or going up...

Old Road Toa d claims that his is going DOWN...?!!!

Sure it is Road Toa d...

Sure it is...!

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

ROTFLMAO...!!!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#82 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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This is all anyone needs to know about your philosophy. Karl Marx would be proud.
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Yes, we know all about your bankrupt conservative ideologies SAM....

Pragmatic capitalists of your ilk would rather save the lives of the Koch brothers than saving the lives of 1,000 school children...
Local

Clearlake, CA

#83 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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This is all anyone needs to know about your philosophy. Karl Marx would be proud.
The entire nation is waking up to the fact that when obama said he wanted to fundamentally change the Country,.....he meant socialism.
The midterms will tell the tale. If the liberal democrats win a bunch of seats in the house?...it is a done deal.
If the repubs. win the senate?...obama will be lucky to finish his term of office.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#84 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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We as consumers also pay for losses that stores incur because of shoplifters. Does that mean that the government should come in and force everyone in the country, just because they are alive, to pay for the shoplifting that takes place.


No, nobody ever said that the government should force everyone to pay for shoplifting. That's a very poor analogy, as GRANDPA pointed out.

1) Yes, the consumers at those stores essentially pay for the shoplifting and for all the devices used to stop shoplifting-- not the government.
2) The stores can use the government to prosecute shoplifters, and we taxpayers DO pay for that. Are you saying that we shouldn't pay for the prosecution of shoplifters?
Sam Lowree wrote:
<People who donít want to pay for auto insurance should suffer the same loss as those who donít buy home owners or renters insurance.
These people who don't pay for insurance are not going to have the funds to pay for the damages they cause. And WE have to pay for it, through OUR insurance. As GRANDPA and I have already pointed out, our insurance would be a lot higher if there was no law against driving without insurance.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<You werenít paying attention earlier. I donít need the government to mandate that everyone has auto insurance,


YOU'RE not paying attention, as usual. See my comments above, which reply directly to the point you've made. Again.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<What you Lefties donít seem to understand is that the government can never mandate responsibility into itsí citizenry. You fail to understand human nature.


Laws don't eliminate bad or criminal behavior, as I've already stated, but they certainly cut back on that behavior. If there were no laws against, say, robbery, wouldn't we experience a lot more robberies?

I can't believe that you really don't understand this point.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<By trying to mandate behaviour for the irresponsible few you penalize the responsible.
What a ridiculous thing to say. If there were no laws against robbery wouldn't the shop owner be penalized with more robberies? And wouldn't his customers be penalized by having to pay much more because of the robbery costs?

I can't believe that I have to explain such simple concepts.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#85 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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This is all anyone needs to know about your philosophy. Karl Marx would be proud.
So, your philosophy is that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many-- the Koch's and Waltons love you (but don't expect any rewards).

The constitution, which you need to read, speaks of "We the people", and about providing for the "general welfare" of these people. Our country was not set up to be a libertarian free-for-all.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#86 Nov 4, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Why is everyone once they reach 65 forced to go on Medicare?
They're not required to join Medicare.

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