Letter: Teachers stretched thin

May 19, 2008 Read more: Chico Enterprise-Record 40
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Bob

Hayward, CA

#21 May 19, 2008
its me wrote:
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Actually, that is not true. In the schools I have worked in we have had teacher prayer groups in the morning praying for our students. That is more than one school. I am not sure why you think that being a teacher is contrary to being a Christian.
Your experience with hatred and discrimination has a lot more to do with your attitude that you present to others than it does with being a Christian. You present an attitude of hatred. It can be seen in your words that you wrote about illegal aliens, minorities and gay marriages. You want to discriminate against others for the color of their skin, their country of origin or their sexual preference. And then you complain that others are discriminating against you.
As a Christian, I do not see it as my place to discriminate against others. You obviously see it differently. That is your right and that is between you and God.
We'll ditto to you. But I am glad for the convesation. I know in my heart and example I do not "hate". I d feel that hate is being promoted, ot resolved, by all of the special programs that so many government workers, attorneys, judges and the rest profiteer from. It is a huge industry and it is breaking the country. How far do you want to go with your phony social justice before we all loose our liberties an, heritage and country? Are you that blind? Demanding border control and accountability is not racist or hatred, it is just wise for the good of the country and her children.
Bob

Hayward, CA

#22 May 19, 2008
"it's me" said:
"As a Christian, I do not see it as my place to discriminate against others. You obviously see it differently. That is your right and that is between you and God."

When kids try to be good citizens, good Christians, and good role-models, they are laughed at and taunted. It has been that way for many years. Now add "Republican" to the mix and see how thoughtful, understanding and compassionate you college educated progressives are. Shows your hypocracey! Everytime I see the anti-war bash Bush protesters out demenstrating, theey are Educators. It must be easier I figure to pursuade the masses when they are grouped together in solidarity. When those that influence are also those who represent your working interests, then it is even more pursuasive on the drones, such as teachers.
Don

Paradise, CA

#23 May 19, 2008
AND care more about our students. THe state has a budget problem and Arnold wants the students to pay part of the bill. I say, let's suspend all legislator salaries. Why should kids pay for these oversights, they did nothing!
Bob

Hayward, CA

#24 May 19, 2008
its me wrote:
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I feel sorry for you. You anger at others, including minorities has blinded you to the opportunities that you DO have.
You do not have to go to college full time in order to get a degree, you can take one class at a time. You can even take classes online and not go to campus for most of your education. You can get credit for some courses simply by taking a test. Of course you would have to study for that.
You can move to a different area of the country where costs are lower.
An education does not necessarily mean a 4 year degree. Electricians and plumbers can earn quite a bit and do not have a college degree. Truck drivers can make as much as school teachers and you can go to school for that. Avoid being an owner operator, though, because with the rising fuel costs and the low freight rates it is becoming more difficult to make ends meet.
There are ways to get money for college for young people:
The military-also allows you to learn a marketable skill
Americorps
Young people can save money by going to community college for 2 years and getting an associates degree.
By the way, the Pell Grant will give you almost $4500 a year for school.
There are grants and loans out there for students that do not have anything to do with ethnicity. Those are the ones from the government.
As far as the gay marriage thing, it seems you have a LOT more to worry about than what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Perhaps if you spent as much time figuring out solutions to your problems as you do figuring out who screwed you and how bad they did it then you would not be in the bleak financial situation you are today. I do not see how life can be enjoyable when there are so many people you hate.
Thank you for your pity, fake as it is. Stop the government from stealing from people so they can decide how to spend the earner's moeny. Let their be wealth enough for the working person so there doesn't have tto be all the goveernment give-aways. This country is rich enough, but the Leftists want people on government programs and people in prisons. It is a profitteering racket, and the socialists benefit the most..
Vern

AOL

#25 May 19, 2008
" But why do they become ill? Demands made upon doctors must reach oppressive levels, and the stress and pressure of saving lives in emergency situations an onerous intellectual and emotional burden".

Or perhaps it because of having to deal with insurance companies ... to bad its not lawyers swinging from the rope.
tiredofthesos

Japan

#26 May 19, 2008
Some truly disgusting AND dishonest people inhabit the crevices of Butte Co., to its current disgrace. Bob, take a bow for all the hate-filled and ignorant that you are speaking for!

They hate us (simple, honest, and tolerant Americans) for our freedoms.
Bob

Hayward, CA

#27 May 19, 2008
tiredofthesos wrote:
Some truly disgusting AND dishonest people inhabit the crevices of Butte Co., to its current disgrace. Bob, take a bow for all the hate-filled and ignorant that you are speaking for!
They hate us (simple, honest, and tolerant Americans) for our freedoms.
Senor, you make no sense. Is that bigotry you are saying to me? You hear something that is different than your own opinion. Instead of considering, you espouse hatred and humiliation towards myself in this blog. Now that is discusting!That annoying ringing you hear,that is truth, and it scares the hell out of you doesn't it?

“Educated, Cultured Redneck”

Since: May 08

Dandridge

#28 May 20, 2008
Oh Brother wrote:
Teachers who get almost four months per year off, work less than eight hours a day and get paid $50,000 for churning out people...
It seems every time teachers are talked about it's the "little work for too much money" comment. I used to have my head as far up my rear as you appear to have until I married a teacher. Grading homework nightly from 4:00-11:00 pm. Working 6-7 hours on Saturdays and Sundays reading the drivel written (or plagiarized) by your "darling little angels". Spending hours each week on the phone with parents explaining that "little Jimmy" is failing because he only turned in 1/5 of the work that was due. A week after school ends tying up loose ends. Another week just before the "start" of the school year getting ready for the next year's class. Several hours of "Professional Development" squeezed in here and there as she can.

All on "salary" with no overtime and no appreciation for the effort she puts into trying to teach your children the things you either couldn't or wouldn't yourself: Things like, turn in the work when it's due.

I wouldn't do her job for three times the money she earns becuase I'd tell some idiot like you exactly what I just did. Then I'd suggest you do your child a favor and invest a little time, effort and attention in them.

If you think it's such an "easy" job, why not get the degree and do it yourself. California needs teachers, you obviously think you deserve the benefits (even though they dont exist as you see them). Quit whining, get up off your butt, and do something. Maybe if your kids see you do that, they'll do the same and actually become productive members of society.

Bob

Hayward, CA

#29 May 20, 2008
Jaeger wrote:
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It seems every time teachers are talked about it's the "little work for too much money" comment. I used to have my head as far up my rear as you appear to have until I married a teacher. Grading homework nightly from 4:00-11:00 pm. Working 6-7 hours on Saturdays and Sundays reading the drivel written (or plagiarized) by your "darling little angels". Spending hours each week on the phone with parents explaining that "little Jimmy" is failing because he only turned in 1/5 of the work that was due. A week after school ends tying up loose ends. Another week just before the "start" of the school year getting ready for the next year's class. Several hours of "Professional Development" squeezed in here and there as she can.
All on "salary" with no overtime and no appreciation for the effort she puts into trying to teach your children the things you either couldn't or wouldn't yourself: Things like, turn in the work when it's due.
I wouldn't do her job for three times the money she earns becuase I'd tell some idiot like you exactly what I just did. Then I'd suggest you do your child a favor and invest a little time, effort and attention in them.
If you think it's such an "easy" job, why not get the degree and do it yourself. California needs teachers, you obviously think you deserve the benefits (even though they dont exist as you see them). Quit whining, get up off your butt, and do something. Maybe if your kids see you do that, they'll do the same and actually become productive members of society.
Doing something is blogging out that it is time to privatize the education system. There is no reason we should be spending the amount of money for a system that nobody is happy with. Their is a wide consenus that kids are not leaning. That is blamed on everything it seems except the education system. Parents are an easy spit-at. Parents have little rights and even important knowledge as a young woman's repoructive issues is kept from parents by school nurses. This is a new day in technology. We can fix this, if the teacher's would stop whining on behalf of their unions. Teachers, if your worth more, than this could be YOUR chance to show it.

“Educated, Cultured Redneck”

Since: May 08

Dandridge

#30 May 20, 2008
Bob wrote:
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Doing something is blogging out that it is time to privatize the education system. There is no reason we should be spending the amount of money for a system that nobody is happy with. Their is a wide consenus that kids are not leaning. That is blamed on everything it seems except the education system. Parents are an easy spit-at. Parents have little rights and even important knowledge as a young woman's repoructive issues is kept from parents by school nurses. This is a new day in technology. We can fix this, if the teacher's would stop whining on behalf of their unions. Teachers, if your worth more, than this could be YOUR chance to show it.
Bob,

First, my comments weren't to anything you had said. They were a direct response to the "teachers work far too little for too much money" comment of someone else.

Having said that however:

"Blogging out" is not doing something. Bascially every single one of us on this forum are sitting around complaining about things. You're complaining about the "state of teachers", I complained about the way teachers are treated in "these types" of discussions.

You don't change a situation by sitting on the outside complaining about it. You change it by getting involved to a much greater degree than just simply "grousing".
Bob

Hayward, CA

#31 May 20, 2008
Jaeger wrote:
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Bob,
First, my comments weren't to anything you had said. They were a direct response to the "teachers work far too little for too much money" comment of someone else.
Having said that however:
"Blogging out" is not doing something. Bascially every single one of us on this forum are sitting around complaining about things. You're complaining about the "state of teachers", I complained about the way teachers are treated in "these types" of discussions.
You don't change a situation by sitting on the outside complaining about it. You change it by getting involved to a much greater degree than just simply "grousing".
Yes, you are correct. We can't be sitting on the sidelines and expect the situation to change for the better. We have to be proactive, including teacher's who want better for themselves, but especially the quiality of education while minding a responsible budget.
To Jaeger

AOL

#32 May 20, 2008
There's really no point in responding when your post makes numerous false assumptions. You can create your own straw man- assuming I'm not college educated, need to get "off my butt" and do something, have multiple children- and then spend time tearing that down. BLS reports that teachers are the highest paid profession. I can't really speak to your wife's situation. Maybe she wasn't efficient in completing her work and that's why she had to take it home. Either way, your one situation isn't relevant to the bigger picture.
Bob

Hayward, CA

#33 May 20, 2008
To Jaeger wrote:
There's really no point in responding when your post makes numerous false assumptions. You can create your own straw man- assuming I'm not college educated, need to get "off my butt" and do something, have multiple children- and then spend time tearing that down. BLS reports that teachers are the highest paid profession. I can't really speak to your wife's situation. Maybe she wasn't efficient in completing her work and that's why she had to take it home. Either way, your one situation isn't relevant to the bigger picture.
I can respond either of two ways.
1, shame on me, or
2, kiss this.
Just take your pick, I choose the latter.!
Its me

AOL

#34 May 21, 2008
To Jaeger wrote:
There's really no point in responding when your post makes numerous false assumptions. You can create your own straw man- assuming I'm not college educated, need to get "off my butt" and do something, have multiple children- and then spend time tearing that down. BLS reports that teachers are the highest paid profession. I can't really speak to your wife's situation. Maybe she wasn't efficient in completing her work and that's why she had to take it home. Either way, your one situation isn't relevant to the bigger picture.
BLS says that teachers are the highest paid profession?????
Get REAL.
tiredofthesos

Japan

#35 May 21, 2008
Bob, you are an ignorant and likely racist person who I wish could be exiled to a country exactly like the one you dream of, but without a Mr. Wizard to recall you when you notice the hell it is.

You do not deserve to have been born an American.
Grady

Czech Republic

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UK

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Union power

Lakeport, CA

#38 Jan 31, 2014
The fact is that while most workers across the nation have seen a significant dop in compensation during this obama era, teachers have seen a steady rise in both salary and cadillac health/pension benefits.
How did this get done?
By throwing new teachers out and giving the compensation to those who remained. In other words, teachers with seniority thew young new teachers under the bus.
It is interesting that the teachers unions would vote to do this and then complain about larger class sizes.
They must not be math tachers.
Union power

Lakeport, CA

#39 Jan 31, 2014
California Teachers are the Highest Paid in the United States.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/teaching/64435...

The average teacher salary last year was $69,435, up 1 percent from 2012, according to new state figures.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/26/995141/see-h...

California Real Median HOUSEHOLD Income Trends since 2005
The current median HOUSEHOLD income for California is $58,328
This means that a teacher in Ca.earns much more than most entire households in Ca......and those numbers do not include vey generous pension healthcare beneifts.
Now Informed

Chico, CA

#41 Feb 1, 2014
Intrestun' to say the least

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