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This is an insult to all WW-II Vets.
Getting damn tired of it.

Funny no one mentions that Japan STARTED the war with a surprise attack.
Obama will bow to anyone but the American people.
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Vern wrote:
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This is an insult to all WW-II Vets.
Getting damn tired of it.
Funny no one mentions that Japan STARTED the war with a surprise attack.
Obama will bow to anyone but the American people.
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It is not an insult to anyone.

The 150,000, or however many, Japanese women and children who got cremated by our A bombs, weren't any more guilty of anything then the 3,000 Americans who got killed in the 911 attack.
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Have the Japanese apologized for the attack on Pearl Harbor ?

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There would have been no attack on the Japanese people had they not attacked us. The number of lives lost in the two bombing is nothing in comparison to the total number that would have been killed had we been forced to attack the Japanese mainland with foot soldiers, tanks and landing craft. It's funny that no one talks about the bombing of the industrial sections of Germany and the number of civilians that were killed in the carpet bombing that we did. Is it because they were europeans and that made it alright?
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My perspective is... But first I will say where I am coming from.

I worked on designing nuclear ICBM's, I worked on SDI "Star Wars", I stood on "Frenchman's Flats" (the place we did air testing of bombs on in Nevada). I met Robert McNamara (the father of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction), I met Edward Teller (the father of the H-Bomb). I taught at West Point and some of my former students have lived and died through war. While I am not a veteran, I have had my fingers in war. I have also stood on battlefields of the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII, and other unknown wars.

... I would gladly go to Japan as an ambassador of the USA and walk among the memorials of the atomic bomb drops. I would gladly do it on the anniversary of the day we dropped the bombs. You need to remember how the war ended as much as how it started. It is not an insult to vets, remembering how it ended, in fact it honors all the hard work the vets put in to put us in the place to end it. And to go is not the same as apologizing, in fact lowering ones head at the site is to acknowledge the stupidity of the Japanese for starting it.

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Country-Boy wrote:
My perspective is... But first I will say where I am coming from.
I worked on designing nuclear ICBM's, I worked on SDI "Star Wars", I stood on "Frenchman's Flats" (the place we did air testing of bombs on in Nevada). I met Robert McNamara (the father of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction), I met Edward Teller (the father of the H-Bomb). I taught at West Point and some of my former students have lived and died through war. While I am not a veteran, I have had my fingers in war. I have also stood on battlefields of the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII, and other unknown wars.
... I would gladly go to Japan as an ambassador of the USA and walk among the memorials of the atomic bomb drops. I would gladly do it on the anniversary of the day we dropped the bombs. You need to remember how the war ended as much as how it started. It is not an insult to vets, remembering how it ended, in fact it honors all the hard work the vets put in to put us in the place to end it. And to go is not the same as apologizing, in fact lowering ones head at the site is to acknowledge the stupidity of the Japanese for starting it.
A little different perspective on why to go.
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Country-Boy wrote:
My perspective is... But first I will say where I am coming from.
I worked on designing nuclear ICBM's, I worked on SDI "Star Wars", I stood on "Frenchman's Flats" (the place we did air testing of bombs on in Nevada). I met Robert McNamara (the father of MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction), I met Edward Teller (the father of the H-Bomb). I taught at West Point and some of my former students have lived and died through war. While I am not a veteran, I have had my fingers in war. I have also stood on battlefields of the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII, and other unknown wars.
... I would gladly go to Japan as an ambassador of the USA and walk among the memorials of the atomic bomb drops. I would gladly do it on the anniversary of the day we dropped the bombs. You need to remember how the war ended as much as how it started. It is not an insult to vets, remembering how it ended, in fact it honors all the hard work the vets put in to put us in the place to end it. And to go is not the same as apologizing, in fact lowering ones head at the site is to acknowledge the stupidity of the Japanese for starting it.
I recommend playing the Star Spangled Banner while reading this.
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US GIs were practicing for a land invasion of Japan when the A-bombs hit. We would have experienced a million dead GIs otherwise. On the other hand, WWII was a crock for the military-industrial complex to strike it rich, as was WWI and every other stinking filthy war in American history. It's all about money and profit for the few who never have to fight and die, like Chickenhawk Cheney.

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Rick wrote:
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I recommend playing the Star Spangled Banner while reading this.
I recommend play the Star Spangled Banner while you are viewing the sights that ended the war.
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"The 150,000, or however many, Japanese women and children who got cremated by our A bombs, weren't any more guilty of anything then the 3,000 Americans who got killed in the 911 attack. "
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Nickolai points out the ignorance of the left over and over again. Japan could not make war without its citizens. Japan would not have any soldiers without its population to draw from. Just as our civilian population contributed to the war effort so did the Japanese population.
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The civilian population of Japan enabled the "rape of Nanking" the "Bataan Death March" the butchery in Manilla and yes Pearl Harbor. The people of Japan were in a declared war with the U.S.
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Who were the people in the twin towers at war with? What countries were we at war with when the twin towers went down?
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This is why Nickolai is an idiot. He doesn't have the least understanding of history.
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Try Common Sense wrote:
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This is why Nickolai is an idiot. He doesn't have the least understanding of history.
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Maybe so.

But TCS obviously does not know that since the end of the Thirty Years War (mid 1600s) it has been accepted that a war is not a contest between entire populations but only between their armies.

Apparently TCS also does not understand there is a difference between combatants and non combatants, war is a contest between the armed forces of the belligerent states and civilian populations should not be the object of the warring armies.

Avoiding harm to civilian populations is considered a moral and legal duty per the Hague conventions of 1899, 1907 and the geneva Convention of 1949.

Maybe someone can get through to Chickenhawk TCS and explain to him why it is that our military in Iraq and Afghanistan is always going out of its way to prevent harm to the civilian populations.

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Only because the political leaders in this country want that to be the direction that we go. The enemy that we fight over there, have no problem with killing any number of civilians in their quest to to kill our troops, who are not supposed to kill those same people. During WW11 we did not worry about the civilian population when we did the carpet bombing of Germany, we only looked at bring the war to an end.
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RB Gerber wrote:
Only because the political leaders in this country want that to be the direction that we go. The enemy that we fight over there, have no problem with killing any number of civilians in their quest to to kill our troops, who are not supposed to kill those same people. During WW11 we did not worry about the civilian population when we did the carpet bombing of Germany, we only looked at bring the war to an end.
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No, it is not "the political leaders in this country" it is international convention.

To say that "the enemy we fight over there, have no problem with killing any number of civilians..."
is absolutely no justifications for us to do the same thing.

Just because "we did not worry about the civilian population when we did the carpet bombing of Germany" does not mean it was the right thing to do, a fact we acknowledged when we were signatories to the Geneva convention in 1949 agreeing to do our utmost to spare civilian populations during times of war.
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Vern wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politic s/2010/08/04/tibbets-son-disap proves-plan-send-delegation-hi roshima-ceremony/
This is an insult to all WW-II Vets.
Getting damn tired of it.
YOU are not a WWII vet.
What are YOU upset about Vern?
Find a vet and ask him or her.
You addicts are all alike, don't have enough problems of your own so you gotta get "insulted" for someone else!
FO, Vern.
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Nickolai spouting made up history:
"But TCS obviously does not know that since the end of the Thirty Years War (mid 1600s) it has been accepted that a war is not a contest between entire populations but only between their armies."
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You are truly clueless, your knowledge of history and military matters is near zero. Civilian populations were deliberately targeted when we fire bombed Dresden. Civilian targets were deliberately targeted when the Germans bombed Birmingham and Coventry. Saddam Husseing deliberately targeted the Kurds in his own country. The Turks deliberately targeted the Armenians. Hamas (your friends) regularly targets civilians in Israel. YOU have accused the Israelis of targeting Palestinian civilians.
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The fact that you contradict your previous claims of Israel targeting civilians and now saying it is "accepted" that civilians are not targets demonstrates that you will make up anything to try to win an argument.
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You need to get your act together Mr. Nickolai or else get used to being a door mat.
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Try Common Sense wrote:
Nickolai spouting made up history:
"But TCS obviously does not know that since the end of the Thirty Years War (mid 1600s) it has been accepted that a war is not a contest between entire populations but only between their armies."
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You are truly clueless, your knowledge of history and military matters is near zero. Civilian populations were deliberately targeted when we fire bombed Dresden. Civilian targets were deliberately targeted when the Germans bombed Birmingham and Coventry. Saddam Husseing deliberately targeted the Kurds in his own country. The Turks deliberately targeted the Armenians. Hamas (your friends) regularly targets civilians in Israel. YOU have accused the Israelis of targeting Palestinian civilians.
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The fact that you contradict your previous claims of Israel targeting civilians and now saying it is "accepted" that civilians are not targets demonstrates that you will make up anything to try to win an argument.
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I strongly recommend you take a reading comprehension class, because it is obvious to the casual readers of these fora that you either have no clue of what you read or what is more likely, you don't read past the first sentence, which is par for the course for conservative morons posting on TOPIX.

I have been well aware for a long time that civilians were deliberately targeted in Dresden, Coventry etc. but thanks for the history lesson...

All military personnel who deliberately attack and kill civilians are war criminals, be they Palestinians, Israelis or U.S military, you ever hear of the My Lai massacre?

I strongly suggest you review the rules of military action for U.S and other military forces, as per Hague and Geneva Conventions.(You can GOOGLE IT)

Rules like,

Fight only enemy combatants (not civilians)

Do not kill or torture detainees.

Treat all civilians humanely.

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I am not contradicting myself nor do I have to make anything up because your posts reek of and ooze hate, ignorance, and intolerance.
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"TCS obviously does not know that since the end of the Thirty Years War (mid 1600s) it has been accepted that a war is not a contest between entire populations but only between their armies."
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That is what you said. It is from your post #11.
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Civilian populations have been attacked and targeted for a number of reasons. Terror to bring the government to its knees or to undermine the war making capacity. Without our populations industrial support America might have lost the war.
(not that you'd care)even Tojo recognized that.
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The rest of your post is irrelevant to your ridiculous and foolish statements.
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The only sense that a country's population might not be part of the "contest' might be as in your case where people of your kind benefit from the country but won't defend it. If you don't think the Japanes people were not behind the war efforts of Imperial Japan you are plain ignorant. If you don't think the American population did not take part it the war effort you are sadly ignorant.
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Try Common Sense wrote:
"TCS obviously does not know that since the end of the Thirty Years War (mid 1600s) it has been accepted that a war is not a contest between entire populations but only between their armies."
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That is what you said. It is from your post #11.
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Civilian populations have been attacked and targeted for a number of reasons. Terror to bring the government to its knees or to undermine the war making capacity. Without our populations industrial support America might have lost the war.
(not that you'd care)even Tojo recognized that.
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The rest of your post is irrelevant to your ridiculous and foolish statements.
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The only sense that a country's population might not be part of the "contest' might be as in your case where people of your kind benefit from the country but won't defend it. If you don't think the Japanes people were not behind the war efforts of Imperial Japan you are plain ignorant. If you don't think the American population did not take part it the war effort you are sadly ignorant.
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Yes, that is EXACTLY what I said. "It has been ACCEPTED that war is not a contest..." as it is still accepted today that war is a contest between armies and civilians should be protected as far as possible.

I did NOT SAY that there HAVE NOT BEEN attacks on civilian populations by warring armies, that is something YOU READ INTO IT through your blind prejudice.

Judging from your last paragraph you do not understand as simple a thing as the difference between combatants and non combatants and the roles they play.

You would do well to read up on the laws of war, just GOOGLE - laws of war -, Read and learn.

BTW, in your last paragraph you take a cheap conservative swipe at me, well, I served in the Marines 1968-1971.

Which branch and when did you serve?
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"You need to get your act together Mr. Nickolai or else get used to being a door mat."
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I see you opted for the mat.

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