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Chico firefighters citizens to back $5.3 million grant coming befor...

There are 14 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Feb 15, 2014, titled Chico firefighters citizens to back $5.3 million grant coming befor.... In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

Determined not to watch $5.3 million and 15 additional firefighters slip through their fingers, Chico firefighters canvassed downtown Friday to ask for citizens' support of a grant the City Council will be.

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Reality check

Chico, CA

#1 Feb 15, 2014
Isn't this how we got into this financial mess the city is in, by overfunding and over staffing the fire dept?

Just what the city needs more $150,000 a year employees.

They should be ashamed of themselves, dragging their families along begging for money and then Driving home in their BMW s.
Steve

Chico, CA

#2 Feb 16, 2014
How many of those 15 new firefighters will end up with a lifetime disability costing the city far more in disability compensation and lawyer fees than the 5.3 million dollars the greedy () want to get their hands on ?
correcting misinformation

Chico, CA

#3 Feb 16, 2014
These lazy slugs should be on STRAIGHT time. Many communities have changed their fire departments to operate on regular straight time hours (like police departments) instead of the OVERTIME bullshit we're stuck with.

But those lazy do-nothings will oppose it and our "elected officials" (what a joke) will cower in fear (while extending their hands for votes), as usual.

What a bunch of useless slugs; all of them.
Stoner

Oroville, CA

#4 Feb 16, 2014
Randel Stone is fighting these unions. He managed to change the tide on staffing costs. We'll keep fighting but we need to help councilor Stone get the job done.
Not exactly fighting

Chico, CA

#5 Feb 16, 2014
Stoner wrote:
Randel Stone is fighting these unions. He managed to change the tide on staffing costs. We'll keep fighting but we need to help councilor Stone get the job done.
Randall has been a pleasant surprise on some issues but I wouldn't exactly call him fighting the unions. Fire is one of our biggest drains on general fund and they went from 170,000 a year to 161,000 a year. While the median wages are what low 30s??
I wouldn't exactly call that fighting, But I'm also sure he didn't get a lot of help from the other dunces. Let's see what police gave up or didn't give up before we praise anybody.
We lost a great opportunity with fire to get their compensation under control and my guess is the same with fire.
Reject the grant, put deficit in general fund per auditor and let's cut to the bone.
Stoner

Oroville, CA

#6 Feb 16, 2014
Your right Not exactly fighting. The final story is still out there. But Stoner Boner clearly was pushing hard. He is only one of the councilors. We need more like him. I for one want to know who he is backing this year and why. If he says someone is willing to fight like he is then I say that's our new councilor. What we don't need are more Morgans, Coolidges and other union shills. Remember that Tobi Shindlebeck. That guy got the full backing of the police and fire along with Morgan. Now we know why these guys got the backing of the unions.

Who ever gets the endorsement or money off the police and fire unions should be opposed at all costs. The contracts were not that great because we keep electing shills instead of people like Stone who Just Say NO to the unions.
Steve

United States

#7 Feb 18, 2014
The grant would prohibit the city from reducing firefighter staffing for the next two years, regardless of Chico's financial situation. In other words they get their full share regardless of whatever else may occur.
Steve

United States

#8 Feb 18, 2014
Stoner wrote:
Randel Stone is fighting these unions. He managed to change the tide on staffing costs. We'll keep fighting but we need to help councilor Stone get the job done.
Tthe hiring of professional negotiator Tim Davis, who came at a cost of $ 105,000 to the city, was “ pivotal” to achieving successful negotiations.
Stoned Immaculate

Oroville, CA

#9 Feb 19, 2014
Councilor Stone was the ONLY COUNCILOR that voted no on that sham of a grant last night.

Sorry but Stone is the only hope we've got against those unions. His batting average is perfect.
one time blunder

Lucerne, CA

#10 Feb 19, 2014
Stoned Immaculate wrote:
Councilor Stone was the ONLY COUNCILOR that voted no on that sham of a grant last night.
Sorry but Stone is the only hope we've got against those unions. His batting average is perfect.
There are only a few brave elected officials who will take on the public employee unions. Most Cities in Ca. are in the same boat as Chico, or worse. The Cities of Vallejo, Stockton, San Bernardino, and others have simply filed for bankruptcy rather than deal with the real problem.....and that problem is runaway public employee union costs(salaries/pension/healthc are costs).
The choice is simple: Either get a handle on the problem, or the City of Chico will die a slow painful death from loss of business(revenue) and loss of proper city services due to layoffs.
Sorry, but firefighters/policeman/governm ent workers should not be compensated hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
This entire state is going broke due to tremendously powerful public employee unions.
one time blunder

Lucerne, CA

#11 Feb 19, 2014
same stuff:
Hayward votes to impose pay cuts to hundreds of city workers

"The city still has a structural deficit that we've been facing in our operating budget. Our expenses continue to rise. We're also not addressing a lot of our unfunded benefit liabilities," McAdoo said.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...

The public is broke, the money is all gone, and we are in debt over our heads.
The gravy train is over......deal with it.
Audit

South San Francisco, CA

#12 Feb 19, 2014
Hopefully this upcoming audit will make the deficit part of the general fund. Then we will have to do deal with the real deficit/problem.

There is no accountability with the council, they have no power what chico needs is a strong mayor form of governance.

The people could then elect a real leader and not 7 do nothings.

Get ready for the inevitable call for more revenues(taxes)

This council lost a great opportunity to get real concessions from the top two revenue suckers.
unfunded debt

Lucerne, CA

#13 Feb 19, 2014
retired California government workers
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Baptiste, Antoine G City of Chico $10,409.65 $124,915.80
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Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Carrillo, John A City of Chico $10,398.98 $124,787.76
Davis, Fred City of Chico $12,467.78 $149,613.36
Dunlap, Patricia A City of Chico $10,847.05 $130,164.60
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Mcenespy, Barbara L City of Chico $12,573.40 $150,880.80
Pierce, Cynthia City of Chico $9,390.30 $112,683.60
Probst, John D City of Chico $8,361.02 $100,332.24
Ross, Earnest C City of Chico $9,496.60 $113,959.20
Sellers, Clifford R City of Chico $9,511.11 $114,133.32
Vonderhaar, John F City of Chico $8,488.07 $101,856.84
Voris, Timothy M City of Chico $8,433.90 $101,206.80
Weber, Michael C City of Chico $11,321.93 $135,863.16
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Untruth

Chico, CA

#14 Nov 6, 2016
Steve wrote:
The grant would prohibit the city from reducing firefighter staffing for the next two years, regardless of Chico's financial situation. In other words they get their full share regardless of whatever else may occur.
council said all hires had to be made with notice to the new employee that the job ends in two years, thus making it easier when the time came to lay them off. Interim Fire Chief Keith Carter told the council that night, mentioning the many fellow firefighters lobbying in the audience,“ When the funding runs out, so do the positions. That’s our stance.”
That was then, this is now....Chief Hack recommended the council fund that staffing level through the rest of the fiscal year, a cost of approximately $546,000. He said it is important to “maintain a physical footprint in all stations,” which also impacts airport fire service and certification.
Chico will have the same number of firefighters through February, giving the city a chance to review an operations study before figuring out what it can afford to do the rest of the year.

The City Council made this decision in light of an expiring grant that funds 15 firefighter positions. The vote was 6-1, with Councilor Andrew Coolidge against.

“ When the funding runs out, so do the positions. That’s our stance.”?

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