Teachers are paid far more than similar people in similar jobs.

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“Facts”

Since: May 08

Mexico

#1 Nov 28, 2012
Our resident lying troll eyes wide shut agrees that acording to ABC teachers make in 9 months 94% of what other people with similar education make in 12 months....

But our resident moron lying troll forgot about the benefits that teachers get that other only dream about..........

LIKe..........LOL

1. Pension programs for public-school teachers are significantly more generous than the typical private-sector retirement plan, but this generosity is hidden by public-sector accounting practices that allow lower employer contributions than a private-sector plan promising the same retirement benefits.

2. Most teachers accrue generous retiree health benefits as they work, but retiree health care is excluded from Bureau of Labor Statistics benefits data and thus frequently overlooked. While rarely offered in the private sector, retiree health coverage for teachers is worth roughly an additional 10 percent of wages.

3. Job security for teachers is considerably greater than in comparable professions. Using a model to calculate the welfare value of job security, we find that job security for typical teachers is worth about an extra 1 percent of wages, rising to 8.6 percent when considering that extra job security protects a premium paid in terms of salaries and benefits.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public...

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“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#2 Nov 29, 2012
Poor troll with his eyes shut got beaten to a pulp yesterday on this one.......

How could the fool be so stupid to eat the same bait time after time???

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#3 Nov 29, 2012
Overall, the EPI finds that teachers make about 12% less than other similarly educated workers. The picture only changes a little when you factor in benefits. Extrapolating from trends they found in 2006 data, the researchers estimate that total compensation for public school teachers lags by 9%. Compared to professions requiring similar skill levels, the wage gap was 14.3%

Worldwide, teachers tend to make less than other college graduates. But even in that realm of diminished expectations, the U.S. still doesn't look so hot. According to the OECD's findings, we pay our teachers about 60% of what their educational peers earn. That's way less akin to developed countries like Germany and Australia, where pay is closer to 90%, and more in line with Italy, Poland, and Slovenia.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2...

Even your right wing Heritage foundation study agrees with me in principle though they miscalculate teachers wages they still say that, and I quote:

“but recruiting highly effective teachers into the profession may require present levels of compensation or perhaps even higher levels."

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:
• Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,
• Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and
• Registered nurses at $45,570.
Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets.
• A report from NEA Research, which is based on US census data, finds that annual pay for teachers has fallen sharply over the past 60 years in relation to the annual pay of other workers with college degrees. Throughout the nation the average earnings of workers with at least four years of college are now over 50 percent higher than the average earnings of a teacher.
• An analysis of weekly wage trends by researchers at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) shows that teachers' wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers' inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers. Further, a comparison of teachers' weekly wages to those of other workers with similar education and experience shows that, since 1993, female teacher wages have fallen behind 13% and male teacher wages 12.5%(11.5% among all teachers). Since 1979 teacher wages relative to those of other similar workers have dropped 18.5% among women, 9.3% among men, and 13.1% among both combined.
• Teachers lost spending power for themselves and their families as inflation outpaced increases in teacher salaries last year, according to NEA Research. Inflation increased 3.1 percent over the past year, while teacher salaries increased by only 2.3 percent.
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm

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#4 Nov 29, 2012
Surveys show that many talented and committed young people are reluctant to enter teaching for the long haul because they think the profession is low-paying and not prestigious enough.
McKinsey & Co. did a study (PDF) last year comparing the U.S. to other countries and found that America’s average current teacher salaries — starting around $35,000 and topping out at an average of $65,000 — were set far too low to attract and retain top talent.
The McKinsey report found that starting teacher salaries have not kept pace with other fields. In 1970, beginning New York City lawyers earned $2,000 more than first-year teachers. Today, a starting lawyer there can earn three or four times as much as a beginning teacher.
Money is not the reason that people enter teaching. But it is a reason why some talented people avoid teaching–or quit the profession when starting a family or buying a home. Other high-performing nations recruit teachers from the top third of college graduates. That must be our goal as well, and compensation is one critical factor. To encourage more top-caliber students to choose teaching, teachers should be paid a lot more, with starting salaries more in the range of $60,000 and potential earnings of as much as $150,000.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2011/11/teacher-pay-st...

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#5 Nov 29, 2012
The major findings of our review and analysis include the following:
• Recent research shows that teacher quality is key to student and school success.
• A continuing issue is whether teacher pay is sufficient to attract and retain quality teachers: trends in relative teacher pay seem to coincide with trends in teacher quality over the long run.
• Several types of analyses show that teachers earn significantly less than comparable workers, and this wage disadvantage has grown considerably over the last 10 years.
• An analysis of weekly wage trends shows that teachers’ wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers’ inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers.
• A comparison of teachers’ weekly wages to those of other workers with similar education and experience shows that, since 1993, female teacher wages have fallen behind 13% and male teacher wages 12.5%(11.5% among all teachers). Since 1979 teacher wages relative to those of other similar workers have dropped 18.5% among women, 9.3% among men, and 13.1% among both combined.
• A comparison of teachers’ wages to those of workers with comparable skill requirements, including accountants, reporters, registered nurses, computer programmers, clergy, personnel officers, and vocational counselors and inspectors, shows that teachers earned $116 less per week in 2002, a wage disadvantage of 12.2%. Because teachers worked more hours per week, the hourly wage disadvantage was an even larger 14.1%.
• Teachers’ weekly wages have grown far more slowly than those for these comparable occupations; teacher wages have deteriorated about 14.8% since 1993 and by 12.0% since 1983 relative to comparable occupations.
• Although teachers have somewhat better health and pension benefits than do other professionals, these are offset partly by lower payroll taxes paid by employers (since some teachers are not in the Social Security system). Teachers have less premium pay (overtime and shift pay, for example), less paid leave, and fewer wage bonuses than do other professionals. Teacher benefits have not improved relative to other professionals since 1994 (the earliest data we have on benefits), so the growth in the teacher wage disadvantage has not been offset by improved benefits.
• The extent to which teachers enjoy greater benefits depends on the particular wage measure employed to study teacher relative pay. Based on a commonly used wage measure that is similar to the W-2 wages reported to the IRS (and used in our analyses), teachers in 2002 received 19.3% of their total compensation in benefits, slightly more than the 17.9% benefit share of compensation of professionals. These better benefits somewhat offse
t the teacher wage disadvantage but only to a modest extent. For instance, in terms of the roughly 14% hourly wage disadvantage for teachers we found relative to other workers of similar education and experience, an adjustment for benefits would yield a total compensation disadvantage for teachers of 12.5%, 1.5 percentage points less.
• The hourly wage data in the NCS, the relatively new Bureau of Labor Statistics survey, has been used in several recent analyses that found teacher wages to be on par with those of other professionals. Our examination of these data show that the vast differences in the way work time is measured in the NCS for teachers (K-12, as well as university professors, airline pilots, and others) and workers following a more traditional year-round schedule preclude an accurate comparison of teacher hourly wages relative to those of other professionals. These inconsistencies in work hour measurement (hours per week, weeks per year) in the NCS are so large as to obscure a 23.4% greater hourly wage advantage for professionals relative to K-12 teachers.
www.epi.org/publication/books_teacher_pay/

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#6 Nov 29, 2012
Need I continue?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#7 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
Surveys show that many talented and committed young people are reluctant to enter teaching for the long haul because they think the profession is low-paying and not prestigious enough.
McKinsey & Co. did a study (PDF) last year comparing the U.S. to other countries and found that America’s average current teacher salaries — starting around $35,000 and topping out at an average of $65,000 — were set far too low to attract and retain top talent.
The McKinsey report found that starting teacher salaries have not kept pace with other fields. In 1970, beginning New York City lawyers earned $2,000 more than first-year teachers. Today, a starting lawyer there can earn three or four times as much as a beginning teacher.
Money is not the reason that people enter teaching. But it is a reason why some talented people avoid teaching–or quit the profession when starting a family or buying a home. Other high-performing nations recruit teachers from the top third of college graduates. That must be our goal as well, and compensation is one critical factor. To encourage more top-caliber students to choose teaching, teachers should be paid a lot more, with starting salaries more in the range of $60,000 and potential earnings of as much as $150,000.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2011/11/teacher-pay-st...
You think a blog is more accurate than these???.......LOL

You are so stupid that you are not even looking at annual salaries or benefits....

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These link shows the salary to be about the same......LOL
But teachers get benefits that most non teachers do not get.....
Like these..........LOL

Pension programs for public-school teachers are significantly more generous than the typical private-sector retirement plan, but this generosity is hidden by public-sector accounting practices that allow lower employer contributions than a private-sector plan promising the same retirement benefits.
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Most teachers accrue generous retiree health benefits as they work, but retiree health care is excluded from Bureau of Labor Statistics benefits data and thus frequently overlooked. While rarely offered in the private sector, retiree health coverage for teachers is worth roughly an additional 10 percent of wages.
.
Job security for teachers is considerably greater than in comparable professions. Using a model to calculate the welfare value of job security, we find that job securityfor typical teachers is worth about an extra 1 percent of wages, rising to 8.6 percent when considering that extra job security protects a premium paid in terms of salaries and benefits.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/ch ...

ABC also says that salaries are equal and the benefits for teachers is far greater and the teacher only works 9 months compared to 12 months......

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public ...

And this web site also shows the same.........
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/ch ...

So now we all know ABC is a far left site and even they dont agree with you..........
And they are talking annual wages and teachers are only working 9 months......
And the teachers get benefits that no other workers will ever get......

So you are proven wrong again..........LOL

Thanks for eating the bait again hook line and sinker...….
Irony for One

Ukiah, CA

#8 Nov 29, 2012
What is all this whining over teachers salary?

One, you made some cash in real estate and some business buy out....you don't think the favorable and somewhat lucky nature of that had something to do with conditions created by those who you constantly slam?

Kind of ironic, isn't it? You made your pile not because of Ron Paul or those like him, but because of policies put in place by.....liberals. Now that deserves and LOL.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#9 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
The major findings of our review and analysis include the following:
• Recent research shows that teacher quality is key to student and school success.
• A continuing issue is whether teacher pay is sufficient to attract and retain quality teachers: trends in relative teacher pay seem to coincide with trends in teacher quality over the long run.
• Several types of analyses show that teachers earn significantly less than comparable workers, and this wage disadvantage has grown considerably over the last 10 years.
• An analysis of weekly wage trends shows that teachers’ wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers’ inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers.
• A comparison of teachers’ weekly wages to those of other workers with similar education and experience shows that, since 1993, female teacher wages have fallen behind 13% and male teacher wages 12.5%(11.5% among all teachers). Since 1979 teacher wages relative to those of other similar workers have dropped 18.5% among women, 9.3% among men, and 13.1% among both combined.
• A comparison of teachers’ wages to those of workers with comparable skill requirements, including accountants, reporters, registered nurses, computer programmers, clergy, personnel officers, and vocational counselors and inspectors, shows that teachers earned $116 less per week in 2002, a wage disadvantage of 12.2%. Because teachers worked more hours per week, the hourly wage disadvantage was an even larger 14.1%.
• Teachers’ weekly wages have grown far more slowly than those for these comparable occupations; teacher wages have deteriorated about 14.8% since 1993 and by 12.0% since 1983 relative to comparable occupations.
• Although teachers have somewhat better health and pension benefits than do other professionals, these are offset partly by lower payroll taxes paid by employers (since some teachers are not in the Social Security system). Teachers have less premium pay (overtime and shift pay, for example), less paid leave, and fewer wage bonuses than do other professionals. Teacher benefits have not improved relative to other professionals since 1994 (the earliest data we have on benefits), so the growth in the teacher wage disadvantage has not been offset by improved benefits.
• The extent to which teachers enjoy greater benefits depends on the particular wage measure employed to study teacher relative pay. Based on a commonly used wage measure that is similar to the W-2 wages reported to the IRS (and used in our analyses), teachers in 2002 received 19.3% of their total compensation in benefits, slightly more than the 17.9% benefit share of compensation of professionals. These better benefits somewhat offse
t the teacher wage disadvantage but only to a modest extent. For instance, in terms of the roughly 14% hourly wage disadvantage for teachers we found relative to other workers of similar education and experience, an adjustment for benefits would yield a total compensation disadvantage for teachers of 12.5%, 1.5 percentage points less.
• The hourly wage data in the NCS, the relatively new Bureau of Labor Statistics survey, has been used in several recent analyses that found teacher wages to be on par with those of other professionals. Our examination of these data show that the vast differences in the way work tim.
www.epi.org/publication/books_teacher_pay/
Prop 38 2012 results

Election results
Votes Pct.
Yes 2,526,872 27.7%
No 6,588,517 72.3%

Need I say more? 6 and a half million people decided teachers were making plenty. This measure was designed specifically for Early childhood/k-12 education funding.....and it was backed by the big teacher union.
TWP

Hopedale, IL

#10 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
Need I continue?
No Bob...

It is time to start acting like a man and just stop this nonsense...

Is Bob Mulholland really such a pathetic loser that he has to hide behind all these silly characters you make up every day...?

Get a life Bob...!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#11 Nov 30, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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You think a blog is more accurate than these???.......LOL
You are so stupid that you are not even looking at annual salaries or benefits....
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These link shows the salary to be about the same......LOL
But teachers get benefits that most non teachers do not get.....
Like these..........LOL
Pension programs for public-school teachers are significantly more generous than the typical private-sector retirement plan, but this generosity is hidden by public-sector accounting practices that allow lower employer contributions than a private-sector plan promising the same retirement benefits.
.
Most teachers accrue generous retiree health benefits as they work, but retiree health care is excluded from Bureau of Labor Statistics benefits data and thus frequently overlooked. While rarely offered in the private sector, retiree health coverage for teachers is worth roughly an additional 10 percent of wages.
.
Job security for teachers is considerably greater than in comparable professions. Using a model to calculate the welfare value of job security, we find that job securityfor typical teachers is worth about an extra 1 percent of wages, rising to 8.6 percent when considering that extra job security protects a premium paid in terms of salaries and benefits.
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/ch ...
ABC also says that salaries are equal and the benefits for teachers is far greater and the teacher only works 9 months compared to 12 months......
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public ...
And this web site also shows the same.........
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/ch ...
So now we all know ABC is a far left site and even they dont agree with you..........
And they are talking annual wages and teachers are only working 9 months......
And the teachers get benefits that no other workers will ever get......
So you are proven wrong again..........LOL
Thanks for eating the bait again hook line and sinker...….
LOL havn't you realized yet that your first and third sources are in fact the same article?

And sure one of the quotes was from a blog but they were citing actual studies, follow the links moron.

And what about the others?

Since: Sep 12

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#12 Nov 30, 2012
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Prop 38 2012 results
Election results
Votes Pct.
Yes 2,526,872 27.7%
No 6,588,517 72.3%
Need I say more? 6 and a half million people decided teachers were making plenty. This measure was designed specifically for Early childhood/k-12 education funding.....and it was backed by the big teacher union.
Yes, you need to say more.

All the results of Prop 38's failure prove is that a majority of voters hold that OPINION. It does not say anything persuasive about whether or not teachers are overpaid in the slightest. It does not refute any of the studies I quoted. All it does is reflect majority opinion.

By your logic you must now agree that Obama is a far better president than Romney would have been because that is what the electorate decided right?

Or are you going to hypocritically claim that the electorate was wrong when they voted for Obama and to raise taxes in California but the fact that they did not vote for 38 "PROVES" that teachers are not underpaid?

God, seriously guy, take a logic class or something, how many times do I have to explain to you how ridiculous your logic is in your point?!?!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#13 Nov 30, 2012
TWP wrote:
<quoted text>
No Bob...
It is time to start acting like a man and just stop this nonsense...
Is Bob Mulholland really such a pathetic loser that he has to hide behind all these silly characters you make up every day...?
Get a life Bob...!
Who the hell is BOB?

I thought we all were somebody you call "Road Toad"? Now we are BOB?

You have serious mental problems.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#14 Nov 30, 2012
Irony for One wrote:
What is all this whining over teachers salary?
One, you made some cash in real estate and some business buy out....you don't think the favorable and somewhat lucky nature of that had something to do with conditions created by those who you constantly slam?
Kind of ironic, isn't it? You made your pile not because of Ron Paul or those like him, but because of policies put in place by.....liberals. Now that deserves and LOL.
Really..........Liberal got me a contract to move goods along some roads in the Middle east........And build some roads in the far east..........ROTFLMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#15 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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LOL havn't you realized yet that your first and third sources are in fact the same article?
And sure one of the quotes was from a blog but they were citing actual studies, follow the links moron.
And what about the others?
How long did it finally take you to even read what proved you a moron??

Something to balance out your far left loon links.........

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#16 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Who the hell is BOB?
I thought we all were somebody you call "Road Toad"? Now we are BOB?
You have serious mental problems.
Eyes wide shut said this on post number 145 here…..http://www.topix.com/fo rum/city/chico-ca/T881IIO8G6N0 PFU8L/p7
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He is so stupid that he does not understand that making 94% in 9 months what others make in 12 months is not higher pay………LOL
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Then when you add in the benefits that all non teachers would only dream about teachers are about 170% of the wages of someone with similar education and job………….ROTFLMAO

"Listen moron, Your own ABC news source says the following.

"The analysis found that public school teachers make 94 cents for every dollar earned by workers in 16 comparable occupations, according to the Census Bureau's American Community Survey data from 2010. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public ...

which proves my point NOT yours. LOL.

I havn't read the others yet but it is typical for you to post sources that prove your oppenants point and then act like you won. It is one of the funniest things about you."
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#17 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Who the hell is BOB?
I thought we all were somebody you call "Road Toad"? Now we are BOB?
You have serious mental problems.
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This TWP is a real basket case, it is now also posting under the moniker of GRANDPA MULLHOLLAND... I think it means that now we all are Bob Mullholland....HA-HAA!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#18 Nov 30, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Really..........Liberal got me a contract to move goods along some roads in the Middle east........And build some roads in the far east..........ROTFLMAO
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Yea right!

You forgot to mention the bases that the liberals got you to build on the moon...LMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#19 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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This TWP is a real basket case, it is now also posting under the moniker of GRANDPA MULLHOLLAND... I think it means that now we all are Bob Mullholland....HA-HAA!
Poor grumpy was beaten to a pulp the last few days.........

Could you please tell us again how Amazon did not get their way with California..........ROTFLMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#20 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Yea right!
You forgot to mention the bases that the liberals got you to build on the moon...LMAO
I am not surprised that you believe something like that.....

After all you believe that raising the price of a medical device by raising the taxes does not really raise the price..........ROTFLMAO

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Grumpy is so stupid that she says that raising the price of something does not raise the price of it…………LOL

Post 14 here………http://www.topix.com/fo rum/city/chico-ca/TMOFCN3265NH RB1PA#lastPost

Here Is One wrote:
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Most online retailers dont have to.......Only ones making over 500k..........
So yes we want a level playing field..........But moron liberals dont understand what a level playing field is........
For liberals a level playing field is 5% tax for them and 95% tax for anyone making more money than them...
Who else is stupid enough to believe that raising taxes on medical devices will lower the cost of them...…

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Right, as far as conservative morons go a level field is were the ones who make the most money pay a lower percentage in taxes than those making the least....

Who else is stupid enough to believe that raising taxes on medical devices will raise their cost above what they are going for now.....?

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