Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Not all rednecks are homophobic. Im on your side.

Bless you jon jon

Marengo Jon wrote:

Don't tell Kimare (the queen of fruits and nuts), but Marriage equality just got very real in Illinois.

Rageoholic wrote:

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It's already flawed for trying to combine homosexual marriage and having children as a single issue when it is not. If you cannot even understand why these are separate issues why would I waste my time trying to pick apart your stupid analogy, which is just you repeating the same points again and again only using different words this time and fails to make any points whatsoever.

You have TWO mistakes! There is no such thing as a gay 'marriage', and of course it is impossible for them to have children.

Only a heterosexual couple can, and the best setting for that is marriage.

Who gives you the right to eliminate children from the equation, just because your relationship is desolate and barren of them?

The analogy is perfect, because it takes a simple example from nature. You understand it perfectly, you just don't like it, do you.

Smile.

The IL Senate is known for the wisdom or lack thereof of it's votes...

Smirk.

KiMare wrote:

The IL Senate is known for the wisdom or lack thereof of it's votes...
Smirk.

Well, here's where your opinion is, yet again, irrelevant.

Marengo Jon wrote:

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Well, here's where your opinion is, yet again, irrelevant.

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples are the picture of defective failure. Mating behavior gone abusive with NOTHING to show for it.

This is not an opinion, it is simple reality. No vote changed that. Or ever will.

Smile.

KiMare wrote:

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At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Gay couples are the picture of defective failure. Mating behavior gone abusive with NOTHING to show for it.
This is not an opinion, it is simple reality. No vote changed that. Or ever will.
Smile.

Given your opinion, we still have marriage equality. What will you be doing about that?

I'm with Dusty on this one. In spite of all of your verbal ejaculations, what effect does your opinion have on my marriage?

Not unlike Westboro Baptist, you're actually helping our cause.

Is that your grand plan?

sic wrote:

Fox News is not liberal, it's conservative. It's the only news channel where you get the truth. Unlike the Obama news channel's (nbc,cbs,abc,cnn,msnbc,hln.)

Truth according to Fox News and what they believe. They use half truths and then make up wild stories to cause mass hysteria in all the freaks who watch it in an effort to keep them watching.
I love how Fox News watchers always say the other news networks are biased. I hope someday you people wake up and realize that they are the only people reporting those things because they are not true!

Yum have you ever heard of eternal life? Dont know about you but HELL is some where i want to stay away from it is FOREVER.Read the bible people.

shameful wrote:

Yum have you ever heard of eternal life? Dont know about you but HELL is some where i want to stay away from it is FOREVER.Read the bible people.

Sorry
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We're not into unacceptable adult behavior

Marengo Jon wrote:

I'm with Dusty on this one. In spite of all of your verbal ejaculations, what effect does your opinion have on my marriage?
Not unlike Westboro Baptist, you're actually helping our cause.
Is that your grand plan?

Did you hear that even rabidly anti-gay WBC, submitted a brief to the Supreme Court which documents that marriage took place under the written law before the time of Noah?

From their brief: "Another Midrash says that males just didn't sodomize other males, but that they signed ketobot (marriage contracts) legalizing these re-lationships."

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Did you hear that even rabidly anti-gay WBC, submitted a brief to the Supreme Court which documents that marriage took place under the written law before the time of Noah?
From their brief: "Another Midrash says that males just didn't sodomize other males, but that they signed ketobot (marriage contracts) legalizing these re-lationships."

I had not heard that and thank you for sharing.

KiMare wrote:

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At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Gay couples are the picture of defective failure. Mating behavior gone abusive with NOTHING to show for it.
This is not an opinion, it is simple reality. No vote changed that. Or ever will.
Smile.

Your version of reality is not reflected in any US law. Therefore it is just your personal opinion. Procreation intent or ability has never been a requirement.

No matter how you choose to conceptualize marriage for yourself, legally it is a fundamental right of the individual. While churches may place any restrictions on their own ceremonies they choose, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.

While procreation has never been a requirement for marriage, even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.

Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual. The only eligibility requirement is being human. Reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Gay people qualify.

Gay people are asking to be treated equally under the laws, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.

Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.

zander714 wrote:

It will be interesting to see what the divorce rate will be. That will be another right that they will get to enjoy too!

Gays have been marrying legally for the last 8 years
http://makeitequal.org/
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Divorce is extremely rare

Here's what's funny:
I've said the same before.
And you had the same response.
We both look a little foolish now.
Go get'em troll stopper.

The Troll Stopper wrote:

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Wow, I'll bet that reaponse must surely have taxed your intellectual capacity to its very limit!

Dusty Mangina wrote:

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Given your opinion, we still have marriage equality. What will you be doing about that?

'Marriage equity'?

Two people. Anything else?

All I see is an imposter relationship masquerading as a marriage when it is nothing more than a friendship.

Smirk.

Marengo Jon wrote:

I'm with Dusty on this one. In spite of all of your verbal ejaculations, what effect does your opinion have on my marriage?
Not unlike Westboro Baptist, you're actually helping our cause.
Is that your grand plan?

You don't have a marriage.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

That hardly sounds like Westboro...

Smile.

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Your version of reality is not reflected in any US law. Therefore it is just your personal opinion. Procreation intent or ability has never been a requirement.
No matter how you choose to conceptualize marriage for yourself, legally it is a fundamental right of the individual. While churches may place any restrictions on their own ceremonies they choose, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.
While procreation has never been a requirement for marriage, even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.
Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual. The only eligibility requirement is being human. Reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Gay people qualify.
Gay people are asking to be treated equally under the laws, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.
Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.

I have no need to equate a scientific statement with law. It is however reflected in many of the partial quotes you use of SCOTUS.

You are in denial. I make you embarrassed by exposing it

Smile.

KiMare wrote:

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I have no need to equate a scientific statement with law. It is however reflected in many of the partial quotes you use of SCOTUS.
You are in denial. I make you embarrassed by exposing it
Smile.

I feel no embarrassment in demonstrating your attempts to justify harming others needlessly through denial of equal treatment under the law, is irrational and based on your personal prejudice.

Nor do I delight in exposing your irrational prejudice. I only bother because the prejudice and discrimination you promote results in real harm to real people.

You still fail to demonstrate any legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of the fundamental right of marriage to same gender couples. Clearly, it is you who remains in denial.