NTSB: Minneapolis pilot battled to ke...

NTSB: Minneapolis pilot battled to keep altitude before crash that killed self, 3 sons

There are 39 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Nov 4, 2010, titled NTSB: Minneapolis pilot battled to keep altitude before crash that killed self, 3 sons. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Investigators say the pilot of a small plane radioed that he couldn't maintain altitude because of mountain wind currents shortly before the plane crashed in the Wyoming mountains, killing all four people aboard.

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Dont fly on windy days

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Nov 4, 2010
Is it ever safe to fly a small plane on a windy day? I don't think so
Sad in NC

Raleigh, NC

#3 Nov 4, 2010
What a shame. A dad spending time with his boys...Makes any daily problems I deal with seem so tiny by comparison. My thoughts and prayers to the wife and surviving children.
ugh

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Nov 4, 2010
I just wonder if it was the crash that killed them or if they froze...but I really don't wanna know. I don't know which would even be worse. I can't imagine what their last moments together were like. Did he tell his sons what was about to happen? Or did he not want to scare them? Ugh, it just hurts to think about. I feel so much for his wife, and the children's mother, I wouldn't even be able to hold myself together! But, I hope she somehow figures out how to for the other kids' sake :(...... so sad!!!!
ugh

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Nov 4, 2010
and poo on you to anybody that feels the need to talk about how he shouldn't have flown on a windy day. Obviously, if he could go back in time & change his decision, HE WOULD!! What good is it going to do to talk about how somebody who is now deceased, should have done this or should have done that?!?! Suppose you were the one who died in such a sad, sad way, would you want people going through your personal decisions and criticizing each one?! The poor guy just wanted to get back to his home & family for christ sake and will never get to!! You make me sick...
mountains

San Francisco, CA

#6 Nov 4, 2010
Mountains magnify mistakes, sounds like what happened to Steve Fossett.
Reg and the PFJ

Hopkins, MN

#7 Nov 4, 2010
ugh wrote:
I just wonder if it was the crash that killed them or if they froze...but I really don't wanna know. I don't know which would even be worse. I can't imagine what their last moments together were like. Did he tell his sons what was about to happen? Or did he not want to scare them? Ugh, it just hurts to think about. I feel so much for his wife, and the children's mother, I wouldn't even be able to hold myself together! But, I hope she somehow figures out how to for the other kids' sake :(...... so sad!!!!
Fortunately, the end would have been quick (instantaneous, actually.) CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) casualties almost always are.
Reg and the PFJ

Hopkins, MN

#8 Nov 4, 2010
ugh wrote:
and poo on you to anybody that feels the need to talk about how he shouldn't have flown on a windy day. Obviously, if he could go back in time & change his decision, HE WOULD!! What good is it going to do to talk about how somebody who is now deceased, should have done this or should have done that?!?! Suppose you were the one who died in such a sad, sad way, would you want people going through your personal decisions and criticizing each one?! The poor guy just wanted to get back to his home & family for christ sake and will never get to!! You make me sick...
...as for these sentiments: It may be hard for the non-aviation public to understand, but these types of accidents become very public very soon. The NTSB will comb through everything from pilot and aircraft logs, medical records, weather conditions, terrain, and on and on...they'll also talk to family, friends, and airport personnel (and controllers) to find out everything they can about the flight: How much sleep the pilot had beforehand, outside stress factors, recent experiance, and on and on. These results are analyzed, published in the NTSB report, and then further published and used in studies and seminars conducted by aviation organizations (AOPA, NAATC, EAA, etc) to promote safety in aviation. It may seem callous and cold, but the pilot community (from the "little guys" up through airline pilots) use these discussions and studies to better their own decsions-making processes, and try to improve their own safety records.
Frog Knows

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Nov 4, 2010
Simple explanation:

People make lots of money.

People learn to fly like a bird and buy a plane.

People fly beyond their/equipments potential.

People crash.

Solution, FLY COMMERCIAL.

RIP dad and kids, so very sad.
compassion

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Nov 4, 2010
Reg and the PFJ
agree with you totally, THEY need to review and study, THEY need to discuss and educate and by "THEY" I mean the "experts" but for someone to post on here that the man should have made a better choice about flying on a windy day is just ugly and cruel
FYI

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Nov 4, 2010
ugh wrote:
I just wonder if it was the crash that killed them or if they froze...but I really don't wanna know. I don't know which would even be worse. I can't imagine what their last moments together were like. Did he tell his sons what was about to happen? Or did he not want to scare them? Ugh, it just hurts to think about. I feel so much for his wife, and the children's mother, I wouldn't even be able to hold myself together! But, I hope she somehow figures out how to for the other kids' sake :(...... so sad!!!!
Earlier reports have said that they died on impact, so they didn't suffer. We can at least be thankful for that. As a parent, I can only say that I wouldn't have said anything to alarm my children, knowing that there could be the disastrous outcome that occurred. I would have assured them that everything was going to be okay and I bet this father did the same. May God bless them and the surviving family.
KISS IT

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Nov 4, 2010
Frog Knows wrote:
Simple explanation:
People make lots of money.
People learn to fly like a bird and buy a plane.
People fly beyond their/equipments potential.
People crash.
Solution, FLY COMMERCIAL.
RIP dad and kids, so very sad.
You are an imbecile! You make sanctimonious comments then try to temper them with a sympathetic one at the end. What a jerk!
Reality

United States

#13 Nov 4, 2010
ugh wrote:
and poo on you to anybody that feels the need to talk about how he shouldn't have flown on a windy day. Obviously, if he could go back in time & change his decision, HE WOULD!! What good is it going to do to talk about how somebody who is now deceased, should have done this or should have done that?!?! Suppose you were the one who died in such a sad, sad way, would you want people going through your personal decisions and criticizing each one?! The poor guy just wanted to get back to his home & family for christ sake and will never get to!! You make me sick...
And poo on you for defending this guy, he killed himself and children by making a very poor decision. With the weather conditions being what they were and the plane they were in they shouldn't have attempted the fight. I'm sure if he would have done something else stupid like drank a 12 pack then drove his kids home you wouldn't be in defense of his actions. Most accidents wouldn't occur if people used just a little common sense.
bill

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Nov 4, 2010
reminds me of the 747 pilot who flew out of new richmond airport last winter in a 1941 single engine plane. he said, i have a hand held g.p.s. and fly 747's or any plane anwhere any time. what happened, iceing and crashed in iowa -brilliant
MN Guy

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Nov 4, 2010
Read the Star Tribune article, it has way more details. It was more than just icing. Very sad.
Frog Knows

Long Lake, MN

#16 Nov 4, 2010
KISS IT wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an imbecile! You make sanctimonious comments then try to temper them with a sympathetic one at the end. What a jerk!
Years ago I talked to Chuck Doyle, he said there are way too many people flying who have no business behind the controls.

Over and over people crash and die in lite planes. Mistakes are made and results are tragic. Don't fly in nasty weather, there is NO SHOULDER to pull over on, just terra firma to stop you quickly.
burns

Rochester, MN

#17 Nov 4, 2010
Frog Knows wrote:
Simple explanation:
People make lots of money.
People learn to fly like a bird and buy a plane.
People fly beyond their/equipments potential.
People crash.
Solution, FLY COMMERCIAL.
RIP dad and kids, so very sad.
You are totally right. It is still a tragedy but he should have put his hands and sons in a qualified pilots plane. Commercial is the way to go.
dick neilson

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Nov 4, 2010
Sad. Now my two cents, you can't beat a commercial pilot with ten or so years of experience as a military pilot.

Since: Jun 08

Apple Valley, MN

#19 Nov 4, 2010
Dont fly on windy days wrote:
Is it ever safe to fly a small plane on a windy day? I don't think so
By that rationale nobody should ever fly a small plane. At altitude there is ALWAYS wind.

Fact of the matter is small planes are actually very safe. But icing on the wings can build up quickly and many pilots aren't experienced enough to spot the problem in time and quickly execute corrective action. And wind off the mountains can be somewhat difficult to predict/deal with.
Bob

Hastings, MN

#20 Nov 4, 2010
Condolences to the family of this tragedy.
Todd Tschida

Burnsville, MN

#21 Nov 4, 2010
Out of respect for his family and friends you need to remove that photo of the plane immediately. How incredibly insensitive are you? No one needed to see this photo especially his wife and kids not to mention anyone who knew and respected him. You should be ashamed.

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