More illegal immigrants are rushing to file taxes

Feb 17, 2008 Full story: www.boston.com 22

Illegal immigrants are pouring into tax-preparation offices and nonprofit agencies across Massachusetts and the nation to file state and federal income taxes, taking a step that some might deem unthinkable: ...

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“Natural laws have no pity”

Since: May 07

Location hidden

#1 Feb 17, 2008
Federation for American Immigration Reform urges the IRS to use its records to help deport people.

Which is a great idea.

"Armando, a 47-year-old illegal immigrant from South America who buses tables seven nights a week and earns $34,000 a year, arrived early Tuesday morning to file. He paid $20,000 to smuggle himself and his son across the US-Mexico border in 2005, and has filed taxes ever since.

Now he uses a fake Social Security number at work that he made up himself. But everything on his taxes is true."

That's quite a bit to make busing tables and I bet you even money that even though he made up the fake Social Security number it still belongs to someone else.

"Missouri and Kansas also refuse to give state refunds to taxpayers without a Social Security number."

Something all the states and the I.R.S. should do.

"These people have dreams," he said. "They want a good life for the family."

So do U.S. citizens but it's kind of hard when you can't get a job.

"But critics say the illegal immigrants should not have been hired in the first place. Steve Kropper, cochairman of Massachusetts Citizens for Immigration Reform, said businesses should use a federal database to screen for illegal workers.

"We don't think that those that are being paid on the books or are paying taxes are doing so for charitable reasons," said Kropper. "It's a condition of employment."

The both parts of that statement are so true.

"The Argentine woman, who works odd jobs caring for sick people, acknowledged she was breaking the law by working in the United States. But she said she was glad to pay her share. The government helped her recently, she said, by paying for an operation when she fell ill."

And where did the government get the money? From the taxpayers. And what about every citizen that is rejected for social services in favor of an illegal?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#2 Feb 17, 2008
The facts
are that illegal aliens do come across our borders
illegally and get jobs with stolen Social Security
numbers.They then sent 25 billion dollars a year back to
Mexico, at the same time holding out their hand for public
assistance.When an illegal alien female has a child here in
the United States the baby is an American Citizen and
entitle to the same benefits as other Americans,with the
stolen Social Security card illegal aliens can access those
same benefits.Under Federal law illegal aliens are entitle
to basis medical care,also by Federal law their children are
entitle to an education in our public schools It costs the
American tax payer around 45 billion dollars a year to pay
for those benefits, Free medical care,WIC, Rent
assistance,Food stamps, and Translators and free lunches for
their children in our public schools. American cities along
our Southern border provide free emergency medical care for
Mexican citizens, and what do the pregnant Mexican women do
in return ? They come across the border to have their babies
( American Citizens). How about Elvira Arellano and her
child,she was deported came back,had the child and return to
work with a stolen Social Security number,she also had been
in our country for 10 years,but had to have a translator at
her news conference! Earlier last year illegal aliens
demonstrated in the streets of our cities demanding amnesty
by flying the American flag upside down below the Mexican
flag and carrying signs saying "this land is ours Gringo"
Those same Mexicans didn't stay in their own country and
fight the injustice they face there.
truth really hurts

Norcross, GA

#3 Feb 17, 2008
The article states that illegal immigrants using ITINs paid $50 billion in federal income tax alone. Illegal immigrants working under false SS#s pay billions in SS and medicare. This is the money that that keeps the old farts screaming AMNESTY alive. Great idea, send the illegals back and cut the oxygen off for the old farts.
crossthreaded wingnut

Hayward, CA

#4 Feb 17, 2008
"A 57-year-old Argentine woman with a mop of copper-colored hair filed for the first time in eight years last spring, hoping that Congress would pass a bill to overhaul immigration laws. The measure failed, but she enjoyed the experience. She just received a letter of apology from the IRS saying she had paid $30 too much last year.

"Seriously?" the woman, arms thrown wide, asked Marilyn Garcia, the assistant director of Chelsea Restoration Corp., who translated the letter. "I can't believe the government owes me money!""

What a POS!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#5 Feb 17, 2008
truth really hurts wrote:
The article states that illegal immigrants using ITINs paid $50 billion in federal income tax alone. Illegal immigrants working under false SS#s pay billions in SS and medicare. This is the money that that keeps the old farts screaming AMNESTY alive. Great idea, send the illegals back and cut the oxygen off for the old farts.
Quote:
Social Security Agreement with Mexico Released After 3-1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle

Illegal Mexican Workers Could Receive Billions of Dollars from U.S. Social Security System

January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC) After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

A loophole in current Social Security law could allow millions of today's Mexican workers to eventually collect billions of dollars worth of Social Security benefits for earnings under fraudulent or "non-work authorized" Social Security numbers, putting huge new pressures on the Social Security Trust Fund.

If an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number through guest worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time, that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once he or she has met eligibility requirements.

In addition, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the U.S. illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number. Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number whether a legal citizen or not wages earned while in the U.S. unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account.

The Congressional Research Service reports the earnings suspense file currently stands at approximately $520 billion. According to the congressional testimony of SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O'Carroll in February 2006, "We believe the chief cause of wage items being posted to the earnings suspense file instead of an individual's earning record is unauthorized work by non citizens."

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League. "Our 1.2 million elderly members didn't sacrifice through difficult times so we could fund millions of workers who crossed the border and decided to work here illegally."
Jrdn

New Almaden, CA

#6 Feb 17, 2008
I swear the mentality of illegal aliens is truly disgusting. Taht they think paying any taxes endows them with the right to be here taking a job they have no right to in the first place is twisted logic and truly sickening. I could care less that they pay some taxes, I care that they are in the US illegally taking jobs and resources they have no right too. I believe all ITINs should only be issued to people in the US who are here legally. All this pretending that they are doing the right and legal thing and 'contributing' is utterly ridiculous.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#7 Feb 17, 2008
They probably know they have to file taxes to get the rebate, this Spring. Most of them probably get a refund, anyway. The IRS doesn't care about their legal status and won't bother checking.

“You think it is ok, so what!”

Since: Jun 07

The freeway or the water

#8 Feb 17, 2008
Jrdn wrote:
I swear the mentality of illegal aliens is truly disgusting. Taht they think paying any taxes endows them with the right to be here taking a job they have no right to in the first place is twisted logic and truly sickening. I could care less that they pay some taxes, I care that they are in the US illegally taking jobs and resources they have no right too. I believe all ITINs should only be issued to people in the US who are here legally. All this pretending that they are doing the right and legal thing and 'contributing' is utterly ridiculous.
As I mentioned once before, the ITN is used by truck owner operators probably 70 percent of all ITNs are because of trucking.. so the number of illegals who were paying taxes was a lot lower than estimates..
myself

Henderson, NV

#9 Feb 17, 2008
Jrdn wrote:
I swear the mentality of illegal aliens is truly disgusting. Taht they think paying any taxes endows them with the right to be here taking a job they have no right to in the first place is twisted logic and truly sickening. I could care less that they pay some taxes, I care that they are in the US illegally taking jobs and resources they have no right too. I believe all ITINs should only be issued to people in the US who are here legally. All this pretending that they are doing the right and legal thing and 'contributing' is utterly ridiculous.
I would suggest that this is the PRIMARY reason they are filing their taxes. In last year's failed immigration bill, one of the requirements to the "earned legalization" or whatever nonsense term was used, was "good moral character" which includes filing tax returns. Those filing taxes are likely doing so in the hope that the immigration issue will be revived in their favor under the next President.
myself

Henderson, NV

#10 Feb 17, 2008
Tickedoffchick wrote:
They probably know they have to file taxes to get the rebate, this Spring. Most of them probably get a refund, anyway. The IRS doesn't care about their legal status and won't bother checking.
I didn't think illegal aliens qualified for the rebate ,though I get your point about not checking the legal status.

“You think it is ok, so what!”

Since: Jun 07

The freeway or the water

#11 Feb 17, 2008
itn filers do not get the rebate... 70 percent of ITNs are small businesses in the DBA or LLC catagories anyway not individuals.
Jrdn

New Almaden, CA

#12 Feb 17, 2008
myself wrote:
<quoted text>
I would suggest that this is the PRIMARY reason they are filing their taxes. In last year's failed immigration bill, one of the requirements to the "earned legalization" or whatever nonsense term was used, was "good moral character" which includes filing tax returns. Those filing taxes are likely doing so in the hope that the immigration issue will be revived in their favor under the next President.
There is a bill before the House right now that is a renewable 5 year amnesty. Contact your rep. And yes, this trying to look good crap is all a part of it. I guess they think if they look good, they might actually smell good and be good. Fat chance of that ever happening.

Jrdn wrote:
I swear the mentality of illegal aliens is truly disgusting. Taht they think paying any taxes endows them with the right to be here taking a job they have no right to in the first place is twisted logic and truly sickening. I could care less that they pay some taxes, I care that they are in the US illegally taking jobs and resources they have no right too. I believe all ITINs should only be issued to people in the US who are here legally. All this pretending that they are doing the right and legal thing and 'contributing' is utterly ridiculous.
areyou4real

Newnan, GA

#13 Feb 17, 2008
truth really hurts wrote:
The article states that illegal immigrants using ITINs paid $50 billion in federal income tax alone. Illegal immigrants working under false SS#s pay billions in SS and medicare. This is the money that that keeps the old farts screaming AMNESTY alive. Great idea, send the illegals back and cut the oxygen off for the old farts.
Have you been a moron all of your life???? The article states 2.1 million ILLEGALS use ITINs to pay taxes....now do the math you moron....2.1 million equals 50 billion in taxes. So 2.1 million ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT taxpayers only doing jobs AMERICANS won't do pay 50 billion a year in taxes???? Sure!

“You think it is ok, so what!”

Since: Jun 07

The freeway or the water

#14 Feb 18, 2008
areyou4real wrote:
<quoted text>Have you been a moron all of your life???? The article states 2.1 million ILLEGALS use ITINs to pay taxes....now do the math you moron....2.1 million equals 50 billion in taxes. So 2.1 million ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT taxpayers only doing jobs AMERICANS won't do pay 50 billion a year in taxes???? Sure!
excerpt;
Most taxpayers who use ITINs are believed to be illegal immigrants, though some legal residents - foreign investors, for example - also have them.
and as I stated above since 9-11 every commercial license plate has to be issued to a "single individual responsible for the safe operation of that vehicle". Among the several million owner operators in this country, most use an LLC or a DBA business neither of which is legally able to get its' own SSAN so they ALL use ITN numbers.

You're big on math... 80 percent of all freight moved by truck in the USA is moved on a truck owned by a small fleet owner ( less than 6 trucks) These small fleets are 98 percent not s corps and use ITN numbers. The constant refrain that millions of illegals are using ITNS simply does not hold up.

summery... the article did not say what you claimed, and the math is bogus, decision on who is the one with their foot deep in their throat for name calling.......? Apologies are always better than simply slinking off,( helps to clear the airway too) and YOU seem to owe that poster one don't you think?
areyou4real

Newnan, GA

#15 Feb 18, 2008
the 48th ronin wrote:
<quoted text>
excerpt;
Most taxpayers who use ITINs are believed to be illegal immigrants, though some legal residents - foreign investors, for example - also have them.
and as I stated above since 9-11 every commercial license plate has to be issued to a "single individual responsible for the safe operation of that vehicle". Among the several million owner operators in this country, most use an LLC or a DBA business neither of which is legally able to get its' own SSAN so they ALL use ITN numbers.
You're big on math... 80 percent of all freight moved by truck in the USA is moved on a truck owned by a small fleet owner ( less than 6 trucks) These small fleets are 98 percent not s corps and use ITN numbers. The constant refrain that millions of illegals are using ITNS simply does not hold up.
summery... the article did not say what you claimed, and the math is bogus, decision on who is the one with their foot deep in their throat for name calling.......? Apologies are always better than simply slinking off,( helps to clear the airway too) and YOU seem to owe that poster one don't you think?
No...I don't and if you think I do you are as big a moron as "truth really hurts" you might want to read his post before you show your ignorance....he insinuates that the 2.1 million ILLEGALS using ITIN's paid 50 billion dollars in taxes....people only here doing jobs AMERICANS won't do pay 50 billion a year in taxes???? I doubt it....and if you believe it....you better put the crack pipe down

Since: Aug 07

Athens, TN

#16 Feb 18, 2008
crossthreaded wingnut wrote:
"A 57-year-old Argentine woman with a mop of copper-colored hair filed for the first time in eight years last spring, hoping that Congress would pass a bill to overhaul immigration laws. The measure failed, but she enjoyed the experience. She just received a letter of apology from the IRS saying she had paid $30 too much last year.
"Seriously?" the woman, arms thrown wide, asked Marilyn Garcia, the assistant director of Chelsea Restoration Corp., who translated the letter. "I can't believe the government owes me money!""
What a POS!
She files for the first time in Eight years and IRS says they owe her 30 dollars. Something isn't right here. IRS only pays back 5 yrs or so I was told.
Asian Guy

Bangkok, Thailand

#17 Feb 18, 2008
if they are illegal, there is only one thing that needs to be considered - DEPORTATION.

I am sick and tired of the bush administration for not enforcing the current immigration laws.
paulo

Reading, MA

#18 Feb 20, 2008
yeah then who will clean your house aftey they gone...
paulo

Nashua, NH

#19 Feb 20, 2008
then who cleans your house when they gone....
Belmont1

United States

#20 Feb 22, 2008
How about LEGAL immigrants.

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