Restaurants' opposition might stop gu...

Restaurants' opposition might stop gun bill in House

There are 186 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Apr 14, 2011, titled Restaurants' opposition might stop gun bill in House. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

Do restaurant owners have more clout than law-enforcement officers with Ohio lawmakers? The Ohio Senate easily passed legislation yesterday to allow people with concealed-carry permits to take their guns into bars, restaurants, arenas, museums and other areas where alcohol is served - as long as they don't drink.

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CCW

Columbus, OH

#1 Apr 14, 2011
As much as the gun opponents want to believe that allowing background-checked, trained, and law-abiding citizens to carry will lead to some mythical "blood bath", there is not one shred of evidence to support their irrational beliefs. I tend to avoid those places that refuse to honor my right to defend myself and my loved ones. I will continue to do so, as will the tens of thousands of fellow CCW license holders. Facts do not support this resistance to concealed carry reform. I suppose they only want criminals to posses handguns.
Seabird

Cincinnati, OH

#2 Apr 14, 2011
Those that are complaining about the new law need to understand exactly what it says. If you do not have a concealed carry permit, and have not gone thru the training and background investigations we have then you have no place to comment. Most carriers are armed forces personnel either active , reserve, or retired. We will not stop protecting the citizens of the united states and those we love who come in harms way, there needs to be trust in these individuals to what they are trained to do, and that is to be there if a life or death situation arises and you are the to be victim. The word Bar in the legislation does not say have a beer and shoot someone, it adds another environment where we as Americans can feel safe to go into. If I carry and drink, I lose my permits and my weapons and go to jail on felony charges.
The sign I would love to see in these establishments is: "Concealed Carry Welcome". That might make you think twice.
Former Republican

Columbus, OH

#3 Apr 14, 2011
CCW wrote:
I tend to avoid those places that refuse to honor my right to defend myself and my loved ones. I will continue to do so, as will the tens of thousands of fellow CCW license holders. Facts do not support this resistance to concealed carry reform. I suppose they only want criminals to posses handguns.
What are you afraid of? Why would you go into a bar where you thought you would need a gun to defend yourself? How many times have you had to use your gun to defend yourself?
bobcat11

Zanesville, OH

#5 Apr 14, 2011
CCW wrote:
As much as the gun opponents want to believe that allowing background-checked, trained, and law-abiding citizens to carry will lead to some mythical "blood bath", there is not one shred of evidence to support their irrational beliefs. I tend to avoid those places that refuse to honor my right to defend myself and my loved ones. I will continue to do so, as will the tens of thousands of fellow CCW license holders. Facts do not support this resistance to concealed carry reform. I suppose they only want criminals to posses handguns.
I am not an opponent. However, there is plenty of evidence that not all concealed carry are safe to have a gun.
Bilbo

Columbus, OH

#6 Apr 14, 2011
Former Republican wrote:
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What are you afraid of? Why would you go into a bar where you thought you would need a gun to defend yourself? How many times have you had to use your gun to defend yourself?
What are you afraid of? Why do you put your seat belt on in the car. Your chances of have a serious accident are pretty low. Yes I know not the same thing but people frequently do thing "just in case". Do you have a flashlight in case the lights go out? How about a generator? I do and have never had to use it but it is there "just in case". The example of things we do to be prepared go on but I think the idea is clear.
Over 200,000 Ohioans have CHLs (concealed handgun license) and where are the reports of the shoot outs in the streets. I bet many of them have alcohol in their homes but manage to not drink and go on shooting rampages.
One other point. This Dispatch article is pointless. In the last session the house was able to pass a discharge petition to force a vote on the issue. The Democratic Speaker chose to not put it schedule. The support has not gone away the Dispatch just likes to keep the pot stirred.
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/...
Just the FACTS

Columbus, OH

#7 Apr 14, 2011
I personally will have to cut back on eating out as much as possible. If they cannot trust a licensed CCW holder why should that I or anyone that has a CCW license spend their money there. That is how I will handle their stand.
Bilbo

Columbus, OH

#8 Apr 14, 2011
bobcat11 wrote:
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I am not an opponent. However, there is plenty of evidence that not all concealed carry are safe to have a gun.
I would be very interested in seeing the evidence. Would you please provide links?
John Snowbird from Ohio

Bartow, FL

#9 Apr 14, 2011
Come on Ohio, join the rest. What do you want really? You already have guns carried illegally. This would allow guns to be carried by law abiding CITIZENS, who have been thoroughly trained and investigated. Remember, guns do not kill people, people do.
John Snowbird from Ohio

Bartow, FL

#10 Apr 14, 2011
bobcat11 wrote:
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I am not an opponent. However, there is plenty of evidence that not all concealed carry are safe to have a gun.
Other than irrational thought or fear, what evidence do you have?
ColsMan

Columbus, OH

#11 Apr 14, 2011
"Hold my beer- I'll get the waiter's attention" CLick-click.
carry is a right

Medina, OH

#12 Apr 14, 2011
bobcat11 wrote:
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I am not an opponent. However, there is plenty of evidence that not all concealed carry are safe to have a gun.
While that may be true I will put it this way,I am heavily involved in the law enforcement community, and I know way more police officers that are less qualified to carry a firearm than many of my ccw friends. Remember those are the people who are able to carry...period or place or restriction. Just look at law enforcemt hit/miss ratios, the proof is in the pudding.
carrier

Columbus, OH

#13 Apr 14, 2011
People are just not well educated in regards to the CHL holders in the state. I think if we are not going allow the CHL holders to carry then why are some LEO offices allowed to carry into a resturant or bar. The guns should be banned period for anyone to carry them into the areas.

There has not been on site or eveidence that a CHL Holder has shot someone in a resturant or a bar. It has been thugs or people who do not care to go through the legal process of getting the license or training of the requirements.

Get real people the CHL carriers do not viloate the laws. We respect them and abide by them. Also why not lsit resturants opposed to them. Then we the holdes know where not to frequent.
carry is a right

Medina, OH

#14 Apr 14, 2011
Also remember one last thing.....firearm possession and carry is a right afforded by our constitution. And thing different is unconstitutional.
Heston

Newark, OH

#15 Apr 14, 2011
carry is a right wrote:
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While that may be true I will put it this way,I am heavily involved in the law enforcement community, and I know way more police officers that are less qualified to carry a firearm than many of my ccw friends. Remember those are the people who are able to carry...period or place or restriction. Just look at law enforcemt hit/miss ratios, the proof is in the pudding.
In other words, you have been to jail a lot

Since: Jan 11

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#16 Apr 14, 2011
If you are driving through other states with a CCW it is incumbent on you to know the laws of those r states. "People from other states are getting arrested." Pretty lame excuse for passage of this thing.

Since: Jan 11

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#17 Apr 14, 2011
carrier wrote:
People are just not well educated in regards to the CHL holders in the state. I think if we are not going allow the CHL holders to carry then why are some LEO offices allowed to carry into a resturant or bar. The guns should be banned period for anyone to carry them into the areas.
There has not been on site or eveidence that a CHL Holder has shot someone in a resturant or a bar. It has been thugs or people who do not care to go through the legal process of getting the license or training of the requirements.
Get real people the CHL carriers do not viloate the laws. We respect them and abide by them. Also why not lsit resturants opposed to them. Then we the holdes know where not to frequent.
Your comparison to a CCW holder and a sworn law enforcement officer is laughable.

I take a course and this gives me the same rights as a police officer with years of training and experience to carry a gun? You have got to be kidding me.

I'm for CCW, but allowing it into restaurants and bars is taking it too far.

If this stupid thing is passed all you CCW folks can take your restaurant and bar business to the places who welcome you and your guns. You'll find the pickings mighty slim and a lot of those BANNED signs going up, unless you are able to get your toadies in the legislature to infringe on the bar owner's right to have a choice.
carry is a right

Medina, OH

#18 Apr 14, 2011
Heston wrote:
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In other words, you have been to jail a lot
I'm not even going to dignify your comment with an answer other than yes I have been to jail alot but not to stay the night.
Just Me

Columbus, OH

#19 Apr 14, 2011
From my perspective, I see very few situations where I would need to draw my weapon inside a bar or restaurant. My issue is that my family is completely unprotected in the distance between the car and the entrance of the establishment because I have to leave my weapon locked up in my car. I would venture to guess that all the opponents of this bill have never been held up at gunpoint and robbed.
carry is a right

Medina, OH

#20 Apr 14, 2011
Also this article is incorrect with its citation of law stating the plain view doctrine. That doctrine was abolished a few years ago.
Former SWCS Resident

Orient, OH

#21 Apr 14, 2011
carry is a right wrote:
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While that may be true I will put it this way,I am heavily involved in the law enforcement community, and I know way more police officers that are less qualified to carry a firearm than many of my ccw friends. Remember those are the people who are able to carry...period or place or restriction. Just look at law enforcemt hit/miss ratios, the proof is in the pudding.
This is a very true statement. Most law enforcement officers are "adequate" with a handgun and that is it. I have worked with and shot with these men and women. Many only fire their weapons when forced to qualify for their job. To non-gun people; do NOT hold the delusion that all police are highly competent with their weapon. If you want to clarify this, talk to any police chief or sheriff. They will probably dodge the answer.

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