State senators fight health-reform ma...

State senators fight health-reform mandate

There are 24 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Mar 25, 2010, titled State senators fight health-reform mandate. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

State Sens. Shannon Jones of Springboro, above, and Timothy J. Grendell of Chesterland, below, also want Ohio to sue to stop the reform mandates.

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Irony

Columbus, OH

#1 Mar 25, 2010
Why don't you tweet your claims instead of taking up space in the newspaper Ms. Jones. You are a disgraced to the institution you unfortunetly belong to.
Clueless

Columbus, OH

#2 Mar 25, 2010
Former U.S. Rep. John Kasich, Strickland's expected challenger for governor this fall, opposes the health-care bill and thinks "we should pursue every legal means to repeal and replace the law," a spokesman said.

This just shows the competency and scope of knowledge of Kasich folks. There is no "legal" means to "repeal and replace" the law. It takes a legislative process to do so. The only "legal" means is to challenge and have it ruled out. That will not "replace and repeal" it....morons
Reese

United States

#3 Mar 25, 2010
A state bill opposing the federal bill would not help much in regards to law. However, I believe it would be a clear indication that we the people do not approve of this particular health reform bill and demand it to be repealed and start from scratch. This bill does little for health care coverage and does everything to constrict the liberty of the American people. This current bill is about control, nothing more nothing less (see Michigan's Dem - Dingel's comments). Through their own words, they will be exposed.
AmericanPatriot

Columbus, OH

#4 Mar 25, 2010
Reese wrote:
A state bill opposing the federal bill would not help much in regards to law. However, I believe it would be a clear indication that we the people do not approve of this particular health reform bill and demand it to be repealed and start from scratch. This bill does little for health care coverage and does everything to constrict the liberty of the American people. This current bill is about control, nothing more nothing less (see Michigan's Dem - Dingel's comments). Through their own words, they will be exposed.
The new federal law isn't perfect but it was necessary and needed and compliments Social Security and Medicare; the law is a good health care insurance reform starter and I am part of "we the people".

When you consider constricting liberty think of the unintended consequences and authority abuse of the USA Patriot Act.
Unknown Comic

Chillicothe, OH

#5 Mar 25, 2010
AmericanPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
The new federal law isn't perfect but it was necessary and needed and compliments Social Security and Medicare; the law is a good health care insurance reform starter and I am part of "we the people".
When you consider constricting liberty think of the unintended consequences and authority abuse of the USA Patriot Act.
You bring up a good point about the USAPA. The congress just re-authorized it with the senate doing so without a roll call vote and no way to know which ones voted for it. Therefore, none are trustworthy on ANY legislation. Would you re-visit the hooker who gave you syphillus the first time and wonder whether she had picked up AIDS in the interim?

“POOR BRAINWASHED ANTISMOKER”

Since: Feb 10

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#6 Mar 25, 2010
I think its time to replace the Ohio Attorney general with one that actually believes in the constitution, his remarks on this being constitution is as stupid and wron as the smoking ban usurping private property owners rights with a jackboot smoking ban.

Perhaps the nanny state of Ohio should consider people who chose to opt if rather tan pushig socialism down everyone throats.

vote out the socialist lawmakers and Governor, Ohio needs a constitutional cleansing
Progressive Ohioan

Cleveland, OH

#7 Mar 25, 2010
Grendell and Jones have finally revealed their true motive in leading this movement to avoid the federal mandates providing insurance for everyone.
If an Ohioan can't afford insurance they can drop dead. Only a sub-species of the hunman race would think this way and reinforce the position with a call for "States Rights". I haven't heard that one since the ignorant racist days of denying rights to blacks and other minorities.
Reese

United States

#8 Mar 25, 2010
AmericanPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
The new federal law isn't perfect but it was necessary and needed and compliments Social Security and Medicare; the law is a good health care insurance reform starter and I am part of "we the people".
When you consider constricting liberty think of the unintended consequences and authority abuse of the USA Patriot Act.
The same Social Security that has now gone "bankrupt" 6 years earlier than scheduled? You seriously want the federal government to now take control and mandate our health care system? Wow, Nov cant get here fast enough....The patriot act has nothing to do with health care. Stick with the subject and stop with the slippery slope argument.
Reese

United States

#9 Mar 25, 2010
AmericanPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
The new federal law isn't perfect but it was necessary and needed and compliments Social Security and Medicare; the law is a good health care insurance reform starter and I am part of "we the people".
When you consider constricting liberty think of the unintended consequences and authority abuse of the USA Patriot Act.
You are correct, it is not perfect, it is not even close to good, why pass it? Why not leave it to the states to decide on mandatory health care programs? That way it is closer to home and a bit easier to control? Mass seems to be doing ok....
News Flash

Columbus, OH

#10 Mar 25, 2010
Glen Beck said just now:
"The Sky Is Falling"....AGAIN
And everybody except him is a marxist,scocialist,scumbug...
That's His Story and You All Are Sticking 2 It
(He still does not indicate if he will marry Rush.)
John Ewers

Ravenswood, WV

#11 Mar 25, 2010
Hey Senator Jones, why dont you want Ohio to be burdened with these unfunded mandates?
rrr

Harrod, OH

#12 Mar 25, 2010
I wounder if the people that are for this so call health care plan are willing to give up additional money from their paycheck each month to help pay for this plan.
rrr

Harrod, OH

#13 Mar 25, 2010
I would like to know if the people that are for this so call health care plan is willing to give up additional money from their paycheck each month to help pay for it.
FormerRepub

Dublin, OH

#14 Mar 25, 2010
Social security is bankrupt? How come retirees are still getting their social security benefits. You see the problem here is reese and every other fiscal conservative is ignorant to the world of economics. Having a graduate degree myself and numerous advanced economics classes as well as running 100+ million dollar companies let me opine. You see only simple minded fools would apply how they balance their checkbook to how the federal government should also spend. If this was the case United States would have fell back in the 1700's. One who controls and has the power to make currency has completly different rules and need to have. It was basically spending to the tune of 12 trillion in todays dollars on what is now our nations highways and world war 2 that pulled us out of the great depression. The fact of the matter is no tax cut or fiscal repsonsibility and balance budget has ever pulled us out of a recession let alone teetering on a great depression as we are now. So please you simpletons go to school, read and learn so then you can make an informed decision as our forefathers desired. Did you know (probably not since I doubt many of you have even read the federalist papers) that our forefathers wanted only the educated to be able to vote. I guess that would have eliminated about 98% of the tea baggers.
FormerRepub

Dublin, OH

#15 Mar 25, 2010
rrr wrote:
I wounder if the people that are for this so call health care plan are willing to give up additional money from their paycheck each month to help pay for this plan.
Already have been to the tune of 700 a month and increasing for the past 20 years and never having an operation and maybe a handful of doctor visits. So I guess I have spent on average over 100k for this? Wow you fiscal conservatives should know that 100k and increasing for maybe 5 doctors visits is not a good deal. Unless of course you work for or recieve special interest kickbacks from the insurance agencies.
FormerRepub

Dublin, OH

#16 Mar 25, 2010
Republican plan to Reform HealthCare

Under Clinton- Let's scrap it and start over (they were able to scrap it but no one started over)

Under Bush with repub controlled Congress- Even though insurance costs increased the most ever during this timeframe, not one repub offered a bill, nor was there a call from the repub white house to reform healthcare.

Under Obama- Let's scrap it and start over because we want reform. Yea you do and it shows.

What amazes me is the insurance agency has been able to manipulate these idiots to go out and cause chaos and speak out against insurance reform when the insurance execs are laughing all the way to the bank. Yet many of these same anti reformers are seeing 40% increases in the premiums. Fricken dumbarses I tell you.
Hmmmm

Columbus, OH

#17 Mar 25, 2010
FormerRepub wrote:
Social security is bankrupt? How come retirees are still getting their social security benefits. You see the problem here is reese and every other fiscal conservative is ignorant to the world of economics. Having a graduate degree myself and numerous advanced economics classes as well as running 100+ million dollar companies let me opine. You see only simple minded fools would apply how they balance their checkbook to how the federal government should also spend. If this was the case United States would have fell back in the 1700's. One who controls and has the power to make currency has completly different rules and need to have. It was basically spending to the tune of 12 trillion in todays dollars on what is now our nations highways and world war 2 that pulled us out of the great depression. The fact of the matter is no tax cut or fiscal repsonsibility and balance budget has ever pulled us out of a recession let alone teetering on a great depression as we are now. So please you simpletons go to school, read and learn so then you can make an informed decision as our forefathers desired. Did you know (probably not since I doubt many of you have even read the federalist papers) that our forefathers wanted only the educated to be able to vote. I guess that would have eliminated about 98% of the tea baggers.
Were one to believe that you actually have even so much as a high school degree, it would have to be assumed that this was "earned" from an on-line "institution".

The 2009 Social Security and Medicare Trustees Reports show the combined unfunded liability of these two programs has reached nearly $107 trillion in today's dollars. That is about seven times the size of the U.S. economy and 10 times the size of the outstanding national debt. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba662 I believe that does, indeed, mean that they are both bankrupt.

And nobody, including a government, can create money by spending trillions of dollars. If you think that's what happened, please explain just exactly how it was possible. Meanwhile, I'll give you a history lesson.

WWII did help. But this was because both Germany and our allies were buying our goods during the war, and selling their assets to us at fire sale prices. When the war ended, all of Europe was in ruins, needing to be rebuilt, and with their factories and workforce in shambles, they had no way left to produce what they needed for themselves. Enter the USA, ready and willing to sell our products, at our prices, to an eager market. THAT is how we climbed out of the depression.
Hmmmm

Columbus, OH

#18 Mar 25, 2010
FormerRepub wrote:
Republican plan to Reform HealthCare
Under Clinton- Let's scrap it and start over (they were able to scrap it but no one started over)
Under Bush with repub controlled Congress- Even though insurance costs increased the most ever during this timeframe, not one repub offered a bill, nor was there a call from the repub white house to reform healthcare.
Under Obama- Let's scrap it and start over because we want reform. Yea you do and it shows.
What amazes me is the insurance agency has been able to manipulate these idiots to go out and cause chaos and speak out against insurance reform when the insurance execs are laughing all the way to the bank. Yet many of these same anti reformers are seeing 40% increases in the premiums. Fricken dumbarses I tell you.
Yup, those insurance agencies are crying a river. Now that every man, woman and child is required by federal law to buy their product, they are really going to be hurting. I'll just bet that GM is quivering with fear that Obama might target them next.
FormerRepub

Dublin, OH

#20 Mar 25, 2010
If you do not think pre-existing consitions and no caps will trump their profit of hundreds of insurance companies competing (meaning now having to offer lower prices) to the 32 million in exchanges then your fiscally moronic.

By the way love that you think Germany was buying supplies from us. Also by the way the majority of the money was spent before the war on our highway/bridge infrastructure. Suggest you get a history book. Also the government can create as much money as they want and we have the printing press to prove it (and also Reagans word on it as well when the dems were beating him up about the deficit in the 80's remeber that hmmmmmmm? Remeber the dems had a board running with the national debt ever increasing on public display hmmmmmmmmmmm? The gov stops creating mony when too much money created increases inflation which right now is still very low. You see deflation is more of a threat to an economy collapse than inflation. A downward deflation caused by lack of money caused the great depression. In a deflation no money means less goods created and prices falling, which causes more layoffs, which then causes even less of goods created at even lower prices and even more people laid off until the price to sell the good is lower then the cost to produce the good. Now go get a damn history and economics book Hmmmmm cause you look silly.
playwrecker

Saint Clairsville, OH

#21 Mar 26, 2010
http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/10/30/corrupt...

Obamacommies are endangering the global climate.

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