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Concealed-carry expansion advances in Senate | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 42 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from May 27, 2010, titled Concealed-carry expansion advances in Senate | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Cleveland police detective Stephen Loomis didn't mince words in blasting a legislative proposal that would allow holders of concealed-carry permits to take guns into bars, sporting events and restaurants that sell alcohol.

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Ret Deputy

Columbus, OH

#1 May 27, 2010
Let's see in Columbus Ohio we have guns in the after hours joints, in the regular bars and hundreds being carried on the streets and in cars and none by law abiding concealed carry permit holders.
Something is definately wrong with our gun laws when those that legally do something face restrictions and those breaking the law continue daily doing so....(I do not support guns in bars, Booze & Bullets Do Not Mix)
oh boy

Bryan, OH

#2 May 27, 2010
The Ohio Senate, a ship of fools. How do they have time for an issue such as this? Is Ohio suffering from high unemployment?
CincyTom

Cincinnati, OH

#3 May 27, 2010
This bill is ludicrous. What possible motive could the GOP have in permitting CCW in bars? FWIW, I support the right to carry under normal circumstances; however, carrying a firearm while drinking would fall under the weapon under disability area. Anyone impaired with a mental issue is not permitted to carry a firearm. Being under the influence of alcohol or mind altering drug is the same thing though temporary. This proposal makes no sense whatsoever.
Just the Facts

Columbus, OH

#4 May 27, 2010
When the law abiding citizen arm themselves criminals are less able to victimize the innocent.

Just the Facts.

I do not fear honest law abiding citizens.
NE side Mike

Defiance, OH

#5 May 27, 2010
oh boy wrote:
The Ohio Senate, a ship of fools. How do they have time for an issue such as this? Is Ohio suffering from high unemployment?
This bill IS part of the Ohio unemployed reduction act!
craig

Cincinnati, OH

#6 May 27, 2010
CincyTom,
The bill does NOT allow the lic. holder to be drinking. It only allows a NON drinking person to keep their firearms with them when the go to place that might serve. Think of having dinner with your family at The Olive Garden, why should I have to leave my firearm in the car if I am not drinking?

People we have been told every time that a change is made to the Concealed Carry laws that there will be blood flowing like rivers in the streets. It has not happened yet....and won't. This is just knee jerk reactions.

Ask yourself if you feel safer knowing that police officers are allowed to drink alcohol up to the legal limit of driving or a conceal lic. holder that is drinking ice tea while the person in the next table is having a glass of wine. For me I would much prefer the person drinking the ice tea.
SomeoneWhoKnowsB etter

Canal Winchester, OH

#7 May 27, 2010
NE side Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
This bill IS part of the Ohio unemployed reduction act!
Yes, we'll herd the unemployed into bars and sporting events so that they can be shot!

Seriously, I think it's great that people are allowed to own guns. And while I don't personally see a need for concealed carry, I don't have too much of a problem with it as it currently exists in Ohio law. But unfortunately the gun extremists have set us on this slippery slope. First it was concealed carry, with plenty of sensible restrictions. Now they want to lift restrictions to allow concealed carry in bars and sporting events (and it's been illegal to bring a firearm into a bar for as long as I can remember). Next they'll be passing legislation to allow teachers to bring firearms into schools to "protect themselves".

I think all the fear-mongering has to stop. Everyone on the concealed carry side of the argument says that they are safer if they can carry, and that they need it to protect themselves from the criminals and thugs. But how many cases have there been of someone successfully defending themselves from criminals because they had a legally concealed gun? I can't think of a single case.
Tater

Orient, OH

#8 May 27, 2010
You can't use a gun if it is not on you . I too do not fear law-abiding citizens. Do you think for a second that a criminal is not armed in a bar or resturant? If I have to ....I want to be able to DEFEND myself and SHOOT back !!!! I will carry my gun everywhere ....If I don't have it ...how can I defend myself ......LAWS .....If I live through a shooting ...then you can punish me BUT I'm alive to punish!!!!!!
Jennifer

Dallas, TX

#9 May 27, 2010
Frankly, I'm not comfortable in a room full of guns, whether the carriers are sober or not. Why do people feel like they have to be armed all the time?
Wait a minute

Columbus, OH

#10 May 27, 2010
Why would you need to carry a gun to a baseball game?

Folks - this is direct reflection of the type of thinking being done by our State's Republican Leadership!

Maybe they should include Zoo's and Day Care Facilities!
AlanM of OFCC

Canton, OH

#11 May 27, 2010
This article, like nearly all anti personal protection articles, fails to provide facts but provides a lot of emotional verbiage.
The key fact left out is that there are now 42 others states that allow law abiding gun owners to carry their handguns into places that serve alcohol.
IF there were ANY problems with allowing this, don't you think the media would be all over it?
There have been NO incidents reported in any of those 42 states! What makes the media think that Ohio will be different? Are Ohioans known for their bursts of homicidal rampage by law abiding citizens?
Logic Inc

Dublin, OH

#12 May 27, 2010
I certainly hope Mark Drum was saying those words from some dramatic effect and does not truly believe that garbage that spewed from his mouth.
Watchdog 71D

Lehigh Acres, FL

#13 May 27, 2010
Wait a minute wrote:
Why would you need to carry a gun to a baseball game?
Folks - this is direct reflection of the type of thinking being done by our State's Republican Leadership!
Maybe they should include Zoo's and Day Care Facilities!
Nah, you need a hunting rifle at the zoo.
sulee

Columbus, OH

#14 May 27, 2010
Cue the Clint Eastwood music....

How long do you think it will be before we see people walking down the street with hip holsters holding their guns?

Shootout at the OK Corral. Film at 11.
Bilbo

Frankfort, OH

#15 May 27, 2010
First the bill does not allow carry in bars. It allows carry in restaurants that server alcohol. Second fact the person is not allowed to consume on drop. Every state around Ohio already allows this, are Ohioans so bad that they can not be trusted to do what the people of Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Indiana are allowed to do?

Another little fact. Did you know that it is legal for off duty law enforcement officers to carry a gun while they are out drinking?
ReallyNow

New York, NY

#16 May 27, 2010
SomeoneWhoKnowsBetter wrote:
<quoted text>But how many cases have there been of someone successfully defending themselves from criminals because they had a legally concealed gun? I can't think of a single case.
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/storie...
SomeoneWhoKnowsB etter

Canal Winchester, OH

#17 May 27, 2010
Tater wrote:
You can't use a gun if it is not on you . I too do not fear law-abiding citizens. Do you think for a second that a criminal is not armed in a bar or resturant? If I have to ....I want to be able to DEFEND myself and SHOOT back !!!! I will carry my gun everywhere ....If I don't have it ...how can I defend myself ......LAWS .....If I live through a shooting ...then you can punish me BUT I'm alive to punish!!!!!!
You don't need a gun to defend yourself. And if you regularly find yourself in situations where you feel that you need to carry a gun to be safe, then perhaps you should exercise better judgment in the places that you go and the people that you associate with.

You know what I like best about concealed carry? People like this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2...
AlanM of OFCC

Canton, OH

#18 May 27, 2010
To SomeoneWhoKnowsBetter:
Type "your pizza Akron shooting" into Google and read about John Hayes. He had a robber put a sawed-off shotgun (highly illegal firearm) in his face and demand money. He settled that incident with his legally carried 9mm handgun.
Type "grandmother columbus motel shooting" into Google and read about the great-grandmother that defended herself and family with her legally carried .357 magnum.
That's just two off the top of my head, IN OHIO. Many, many, incidents occur without any shots being fired and thereby don't get any newspaper coverage.

To Jennifer:
"Why do people feel like they have to be armed all the time?"
In my case, I'm old and disabled to some extent. I can't run away and I can't make a fist to fight off an attack.
I've carried a concealed handgun everywhere I legally can now for nearly six years. Do I want to shoot anyone? NO. Do I expect to have to? Statistically, NO.
HOWEVER, I'd rather have my gun with me and NEVER need it than to need it to defend me or my loved ones and NOT HAVE IT.
Bad things happen to good people ALL THE TIME.
ReallyNow

New York, NY

#19 May 27, 2010
It's not usually in the media's best interest to promote stories that involve firearms in a positive light. No one cares when a gun is used properly, it doesn't sell papers/site hits.
Simp

United States

#20 May 27, 2010
Cleveland police detective Stephen Loomis, "senseless loss of human life," Maybe cops should not be allowed to carry. They are the ones shooting kids two or three times a week!

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