Bill for concealed guns in bars advan...

Bill for concealed guns in bars advances in state Senate

There are 367 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Apr 13, 2011, titled Bill for concealed guns in bars advances in state Senate. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

Should concealed weapons be allowed in bars? DispatchPolitics Despite strong objections from law enforcement, a Senate committee approved a bill yesterday that would allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons into bars and restaurants - provided they don't drink.

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bob

Saint Petersburg, FL

#1 Apr 13, 2011
If we are so concerned about argumants in bars, lets close down the bars altogether. The police would have more credibility if people were not killing others in bars now.
Mina

Hopkinsville, KY

#2 Apr 13, 2011
I agree with the police. People who go into bars drink. People drinking get into arguments. Arguing people shoot each other - just like what happened this week here in Columbus.

I think it's a harebrained idea to allow people to carry in bars.

But what did we expect of the republicans if not this.

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hamburger pimp

Columbus, OH

#3 Apr 13, 2011
I'm not sure the demographic that would settle a sports argument by shooting someone and the demographic that has spent the time and money to get a CHL overlap that much.
Linda

Hilliard, OH

#4 Apr 13, 2011
I do not drink and I do not feel safe going and coming from resturants. I think most people are like me, they want protection if they need it. More people don't drink than do in resturants
The Economist

United States

#5 Apr 13, 2011
Great addition to the law. Now you will be able to protect yourself and your family when you go out to eat and they serve wine in the restaurant, for example. The bar part is not really relevant IMO. Who goes to a bar and doesn't drink. Therefore, the permitholder won't be able to pack the thumper.

All the whiners seem to forget that the people with a license to pack heat follow the rules, everytime.
Former SWCS Resident

Columbus, OH

#6 Apr 13, 2011
Mr. Gilchrist, your scenario is purely hypothetical. First, your comment that "alcohol and guns do not mix" is absolutely true. I totally agree. Law enforcement may carry armed in a restaurant serving alcohol when off duty. They are human; they can and WILL drink while armed. Are they immune from getting into a personal altercation that could lead to lethal violence? No, they are not. We are trusting that off duty officers that are armed will do the "right thing." Those civilians who go through the process of background checks and training should be trusted to do the "right thing" also.
Natural Selection

Columbus, OH

#7 Apr 13, 2011
Linda wrote:
I do not drink and I do not feel safe going and coming from resturants. I think most people are like me, they want protection if they need it. More people don't drink than do in resturants
How's life under that rock Linda? You're goofy.
JPE

New York, NY

#8 Apr 13, 2011
So on an article about concealed carry, the Dispatch posts a picture of a person carrying openly? Hmmph.
Why

Columbus, OH

#9 Apr 13, 2011
Why dont we just do away with concealed carry and go to constitutional carry?
ugh

Columbus, OH

#10 Apr 13, 2011
Ohio does not have a difference in licensure between establishments that are "bars" primary sales are alchol vs. establishments that are restaurants that are food first that also sell alcohol. Many other states do. While I'm a CCP holder, I'm also not a drinker. But I can't carry into an Applebees, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesday etc.. The laws were emphasised in the CCP class. We were tested on it. We wouldn't have been there in the first place if we intended to play saloon marshal at a bar! Give us some credit we aren't stupid. And as for police safety, they know the moment we're pulled over weather or not we're a permit holder therefore they know to expect there is a weapon in the car. Even if we aren't carrying. Most of the officers I've asked about CCP are all for it for that reason.. They know to expect a gun and takes that unknown factor out of the traffic stop.
Tyler

Columbus, OH

#11 Apr 13, 2011
Not everyone who goes to an establishment such as Applebees or Olive Garden drinks, but everyone who goes to those same establishments are prohibited from carrying. Are people honestly worried about angry and drunken shootouts at Olive Garden? No.
As for the idea of carrying in bars, not everyone drinks in the bar. Most of the staff at a bar do not drink and hopefully, neither do designated drivers. For some, bars are a place to hang out. For myself and at least one of my friends, we intend to carry into certain bars after this bill passes and we intend to not drink. It's not a power play or anything like that: it's for protecting of self and those we care about.
Tate

Columbus, OH

#12 Apr 13, 2011
What's the big deal ....if you want ....you can carry a weapon in a holster IN PLAIN SIGHT if you want to WITHOUT A LICENCE.....it is your constitutional right !!!!bars can put up a sign of NO FIREARMS and enforce it them selves
Jess Sayin

Columbus, OH

#13 Apr 13, 2011
We better ban knives, pool cues, glass bottles and clenched fists from bars and restaurants too then. I've seen more of those items do damage and cause deaths than firearms in those establishments. People carrying a handgun into bars and restaurants currently are not going to be CCW permit holders, but individuals planning on using that firearm to perpetrate a crime. And for those that will eventually end up stating that they don't want a gun near their family while eating in a restaurant, CCW permit holders are currently carrying in the majority of the fast food restaurants that your family is most likely eating in (unless a posted no weapon zone). Haven't seen anyone shot over whether their kid was pushed over in the play area ball pit yet, have you?

Jess Sayin
hobo

Port Charlotte, FL

#14 Apr 13, 2011
If the gun is on the dash board you will know right away, You wont have to make a search. It should make an officers job a lot better!!
DaHoodDeFined

Fremont, OH

#15 Apr 13, 2011
We heard all this blather back in 2004. There will be shoot outs over fender benders and blood will be everywhere.

It didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now.

People who go to the trouble, time and expense to get a CHL are not going to be a problem now and they weren't in 2004 either.

Relax everybody, the ones you need to worry about are the one that are carrying in the bars now that don't have a CHL!

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

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#16 Apr 13, 2011
Mina wrote:
I agree with the police. People who go into bars drink. People drinking get into arguments. Arguing people shoot each other - just like what happened this week here in Columbus.
I think it's a harebrained idea to allow people to carry in bars.
But what did we expect of the republicans if not this.
Mina wrote:
I think it's a harebrained idea to allow people to carry in bars.
If people will obey the gun ban in bars won't they obey the murder ban ?
Jaundiced Eye

Dublin, OH

#17 Apr 13, 2011
ugh wrote:
Ohio does not have a difference in licensure between establishments that are "bars" primary sales are alchol vs. establishments that are restaurants that are food first that also sell alcohol. Many other states do. While I'm a CCP holder, I'm also not a drinker. But I can't carry into an Applebees, TGI Fridays, Ruby Tuesday etc...
DING DING DING - we have a winner! This guy gets it. A CCW permit holder ought to be able to carry when taking his/her family out to dinner at Max & Erma's or Outback Steakhouse without risking felony charges. That's what this bill is trying to rectify.
citizen

Newark, OH

#18 Apr 13, 2011
bob wrote:
If we are so concerned about argumants in bars, lets close down the bars altogether. The police would have more credibility if people were not killing others in bars now.
Absolutely. We should always cater to the lowest denominator in society. Some people can't handle their alcohol. Therefore, no one should be able to go to a bar. Maybe the police should just make sure we don't leave our houses unless we are going to buy groceries or going to work. And of course, logically, we should not be able to buy alcohol in any place or form. After all, the police can't protect us from ourselves 24/7.
gocheneyyourself

Somerset, KY

#19 Apr 13, 2011
The Economist wrote:
Great addition to the law. Now you will be able to protect yourself and your family when you go out to eat and they serve wine in the restaurant, for example. The bar part is not really relevant IMO. Who goes to a bar and doesn't drink. Therefore, the permitholder won't be able to pack the thumper.
All the whiners seem to forget that the people with a license to pack heat follow the rules, everytime.
"Everytime"--you are an arse clown. I know some permit holders whom I would not let into my house,EVER! Even if unarmed! You are all cowards with psychological deficiencies. Jump on haters....
DrC Ohio

Columbus, OH

#20 Apr 13, 2011
Thank you Sen. Shafer for your leadership. This is just what Ohio needs. Now that the economy is turned around and you can't throw stone (or shoot a gun?) without hitting a "hiring" sign, we can focus on the important things like having guns in places where people get tipsy. Nothing bad will ever come from this scenario. Maybe you can tackle giving drug dealers guns as well since they have the constitutional right to bear arms as well. Maybe you can give away guns at your next fringe rally you hold. Your level of intelligence is outstanding. When this bill becomes law, I hope you mommy and daddy hang a copy on the fridge. Tool.

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