Parents of Man Killed By Police Suing Chesterfield

May 14, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WRIC-TV Richmond

The parents of a mentally ill man shot to death by Chesterfield County police two years ago have filed a $4 million wrongful death lawsuit against the county.

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Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#22 May 19, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks to Bob Mcdonnell more situation like this will happening. He has cut the funding for mental institutions and group homes.
The police need to have extensive training in regards to mental health issues. District 19 doesn't show up until the patient is at the hospital. Police have to get them there.
On top of that magistrates do not green warrant mental cases anymore.
If by green warrsnts, you mean 72 hour mental detention orders better known as TDOs, these have always had to be issued by a judge. Ever hear of a TDO hearing? As far as "Extensive" training in regards to mental health issues, that is silly. The average cop is called in apporx once or twice per year, as the first responder, to a documented mental patient. All other times they are there in support of adult or juvenile protective service, the crew or other state agencies who have trained people on scene. If you think the police should have "Extensive" training about mental patients then they would also need "Extensive" training for non ambulatory people as well as extensive training for diversity reasons whether it be racial, cutlural or religious. It is not practical to have "Extensive" training for every possible problem a police officer MIGHT get involved with.

For people like the Slurplee Summit, I have one thing to say, say what you want about the cops and other emergency responders, however, they are always the ones running towards danger when Joe Average is running from it, best example 9-11-01!

Since: May 10

Rooted in Reality

#23 May 19, 2011
Well said Voice. Most cops in a mental health situation try to keep the person from hurting themselves or someone else.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#24 May 19, 2011
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
If by green warrsnts, you mean 72 hour mental detention orders better known as TDOs, these have always had to be issued by a judge. Ever hear of a TDO hearing? As far as "Extensive" training in regards to mental health issues, that is silly. The average cop is called in apporx once or twice per year, as the first responder, to a documented mental patient. All other times they are there in support of adult or juvenile protective service, the crew or other state agencies who have trained people on scene. If you think the police should have "Extensive" training about mental patients then they would also need "Extensive" training for non ambulatory people as well as extensive training for diversity reasons whether it be racial, cutlural or religious. It is not practical to have "Extensive" training for every possible problem a police officer MIGHT get involved with.
For people like the Slurplee Summit, I have one thing to say, say what you want about the cops and other emergency responders, however, they are always the ones running towards danger when Joe Average is running from it, best example 9-11-01!
Attempting to make 9-11-01 the cheering point of your statement was Blah to say the least.

As to the 1-2 times a year that emergency personnel respond to a mental health situation, you're numbers are way off. Before Nov. 2010, a magistrate could issue a warrant for tdo. Due to district 19 showing up several hours after the uproar, they would say that the patient was fine and simply send them back home with the "if they screw up in 72 hours, they would be automatically admitted.

For a fact, in 2009, 1798 calls were mental health calls in Hopewell with over 3 hours of officer commitment on each call. In Prince George, at Circle D on 156, a young man, now deceased, was attempting to grab the steering wheel of his mother's car. She called the police, he blew smoke in an officer's face. The cop attempting to cite him for assault. He put the cig out and told him that he was going to show him what assault was.

He beat 12 officers for 30 minutes, breaking the face of one officer into 39 pieces. What ended the confrontation, he simply said that he was tired. Served 6 months. He had over 1000 incidents of his own, where the police had to be called in 3 years, prior to his death.

As governor Mcdonnell seeks to do away with institutions, the police will take the frontline for dealing with Mental health. You might see incarceration as an effective tool to control the mentally obscured population. 1) the care isn't as costly, 2) their ssi benefits aren't issued during incarceration and 3) medicare/ medicaid doesn't have to come up with as much for meds; because half of the time, they won't be getting them. When there are 50 million Americans diagnosed with a disability of some sort, it may not be in your family but I guarantee that someone on your block is dealing with it.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#25 May 19, 2011
history buff wrote:
<quoted text>
all true,but what do these rants have to do with this man being shot by the police?This seems to happen constantly,someone changes a thread into some type of rant that is off-subject.
What is considered "off-subject" when it comes to a life situation? How do you propose to limit a life situation to one parameter and it not be a part of some other aspect of life? That sort of thing is like a law to enforce equal rights.

But most Americans have tunnel vision. I can't get ahead because someone is on welfare, when the gdp is upwards of $40,000 per person. I doubt very seriously that the $12-13,000 of assistance that one of them receives and simultaneously sends back up the ladder is hindering me from getting ahead.

What hinders people from getting ahead is that they have million dollar dreams but $25-45,000 per year thoughts. People need to stop blaming their deficiencies and lack of ingenuity on others.

off-subject or people just too worried about everyone else's business because they have no idea what to do with their own business.
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#26 May 19, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
<quoted text> Attempting to make 9-11-01 the cheering point of your statement was Blah to say the least.
As to the 1-2 times a year that emergency personnel respond to a mental health situation, you're numbers are way off. Before Nov. 2010, a magistrate could issue a warrant for tdo. Due to district 19 showing up several hours after the uproar, they would say that the patient was fine and simply send them back home with the "if they screw up in 72 hours, they would be automatically admitted.
For a fact, in 2009, 1798 calls were mental health calls in Hopewell with over 3 hours of officer commitment on each call. In Prince George, at Circle D on 156, a young man, now deceased, was attempting to grab the steering wheel of his mother's car. She called the police, he blew smoke in an officer's face. The cop attempting to cite him for assault. He put the cig out and told him that he was going to show him what assault was.
He beat 12 officers for 30 minutes, breaking the face of one officer into 39 pieces. What ended the confrontation, he simply said that he was tired. Served 6 months. He had over 1000 incidents of his own, where the police had to be called in 3 years, prior to his death.
As governor Mcdonnell seeks to do away with institutions, the police will take the frontline for dealing with Mental health. You might see incarceration as an effective tool to control the mentally obscured population. 1) the care isn't as costly, 2) their ssi benefits aren't issued during incarceration and 3) medicare/ medicaid doesn't have to come up with as much for meds; because half of the time, they won't be getting them. When there are 50 million Americans diagnosed with a disability of some sort, it may not be in your family but I guarantee that someone on your block is dealing with it.
Making 9-11 a "Cheering Point"? I do not think so, I only stated that 9-11 was a prime example of when thousands were running from danger, it was police and emergency responders who were running toward the danger, now what part of that statement is not true?

I would also challenge your reading comprehension, my statement was that only a couple of times per year does a cop respond to a situation involving a mental suspect that there are not, already, other personel in the area, meaning that the cop was responding to a back-up situation and not as the primary and or first responder to the situation.

Your statement about the magistrate was, also, less than true. A magistrate could only issue a warrant for criminal charges, criminal actions that could land the person in custody. The green warrant, or TDO was then issued by having a sanity hearing by a judge, in Petersburg, Sam Campbell was more than not the judge that held these mental comptancy hearings. Only when the judge ajudicated the person as unfit to take care of himself or herself and or was a danger to themself or others could they be held in a hospital for the 72 hour max.

In Virginia a magistrate issues warrants and other paperwork in criminal cases, a TDO is a civil issue.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#27 May 19, 2011
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Making 9-11 a "Cheering Point"? I do not think so, I only stated that 9-11 was a prime example of when thousands were running from danger, it was police and emergency responders who were running toward the danger, now what part of that statement is not true?
I would also challenge your reading comprehension, my statement was that only a couple of times per year does a cop respond to a situation involving a mental suspect that there are not, already, other personel in the area, meaning that the cop was responding to a back-up situation and not as the primary and or first responder to the situation.
Your statement about the magistrate was, also, less than true. A magistrate could only issue a warrant for criminal charges, criminal actions that could land the person in custody. The green warrant, or TDO was then issued by having a sanity hearing by a judge, in Petersburg, Sam Campbell was more than not the judge that held these mental comptancy hearings. Only when the judge ajudicated the person as unfit to take care of himself or herself and or was a danger to themself or others could they be held in a hospital for the 72 hour max.
In Virginia a magistrate issues warrants and other paperwork in criminal cases, a TDO is a civil issue.
Parent goes to magistrate's office. Magistate calls police and issues warrant for them to take the patient. A magistrate is an acting judge. And to get a 72 hour hold doesn't take a judge...to go past the 72 hours takes a hearing.

And if we're going to debate that further, please start with case law; SE 2d 1992. Furthermore, understand what a magistrate is...or just look up her duties.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#28 May 19, 2011
To most people, such as you in particular, the laws pertaining to mental health aren't important. The 72 hours is an evaluation phase that could easily be issued by a doctor or an appointed representative of district 19 by observation of behaviour. There is also a 1-800 number that you could call, while a person is having an episode. Dial the number, set the receiver down and district 19 would issue a tdo based upon the events. You wouldn't have to go to the magistrate's office, at all.

And another thing that most people don't know, when the patient is released from the hospital and has to be released into your care; all you have to do is not accept them and they become a ward of the state..They will be evaluated for the treatment needed, ie group home, institution or assisted living.

With a lot of cases, behavioural problems accompany the mental deficiency and placement is harder but it is still possible. The district doctors are recommended by the state to send the patient back home to negate the costs of care, which ranges from $5,000 per month in a group to $7500 in an institution. More in an institution because they are more geared towards zombifying versus treatment.

A major problem in Virginia is that most group homes and residential setting homes aren't able to function efficiently because the state delays payment to the independent owners. And it's difficult to pay the workers a living wage, which is $16.50 an hour in the tri-cities area.
The owner may not be able to afford a full-time cook or nutritionist or dietary assistant and have to have the certified nurse or med tech perform those duties as well as supervising the patients.

On average, if you had a 4 bedroom house, with larger rooms, stainless steel commercial kitchen appliances, a dayroom and an outdoor sitting space for smoking with 8 residents; you could easily gross $500,000 a year.. paying 4 workers 20-25k a year, sam clubbing $250 per person a month..at the end of the day, it's a good business but the state pays on a 30-45 day delay.

Insurance is pricey. Petersburg is actually a good place to do it. Washington Street has atleast 5 of these types of residences. Only problem is the potential violence and keeping people that are comfortable with the environment, while not being able to fully compensate them for their dedication that is needed. But you probably know a lot more than I do about this subject, since I just do things that make money; funeral homes, assisted living for the mentally challenged, rental houses and other little odd things like septic cleaning, silver and gold refining and compressing sawdust to sell as firebricks for wood stoves.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#29 May 19, 2011
Forgot to respond to the 911 thing. If a building is on fire, you are supposed to be running away from the burning building. As for 911 personnel, they decided to be the idiot running towards it. They are compensated in most cases.

And if they are doing the job because they would like to be a hero, someday; most heroes are dead because what classifies as an heroic feat more than likely will put your life in danger. Selflessness or stupidity of personal value? I don't know which, don't care and have been there and done that but I, on the other hand, have plenty of reasons that I would like to another year or two.

Last thing that I will say is, " Something worth dying for is something worth living to enjoy." Coward, yellow or whatever else; fck god, fck the person that dies for money or freedom and fck you to, if you'd rather have 70 virgins or a seat next to god than to live. Angels are the dogs of heaven, god's best friends...aint nothing there for me to do.
lestermolester

Richmond, VA

#30 May 19, 2011
Please stop blowing kisses at my teenage daughters. It is rude and disgusting! Some of these guys don't even have teeth!

Please do not give me the finger when my children are in my vehicle--they can see you and it scares them.

To all the teens:

Just because your parents are jerks doesn't mean you have to be one too.

The red plate under your front license is a dead give away. Why don't you at least pretend to have integrity.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#31 May 20, 2011
greg in central va wrote:
Well said Voice. Most cops in a mental health situation try to keep the person from hurting themselves or someone else.
Well said Voice. Most cops in a mental health situation (fail) try to keep the person from hurting themselves or someone else.

Since: Jul 10

Richmond, VA

#32 May 20, 2011
Absolutely amazing just how stirred up you get when mental institutions are brought up. Slurpee we have stuck a nerve with your frail little azz. Paragraph after paragragh, TDO's,green warrants, magistates, fuk god, Petersburg, insurance, government money and on and on.

Your pissed off. Tell us Slurp, do you have a roomy or do you get the rubber walls all to yourself??
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#33 Jun 1, 2011
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
If by green warrsnts, you mean 72 hour mental detention orders better known as TDOs, these have always had to be issued by a judge. Ever hear of a TDO hearing? As far as "Extensive" training in regards to mental health issues, that is silly. The average cop is called in apporx once or twice per year, as the first responder, to a documented mental patient. All other times they are there in support of adult or juvenile protective service, the crew or other state agencies who have trained people on scene. If you think the police should have "Extensive" training about mental patients then they would also need "Extensive" training for non ambulatory people as well as extensive training for diversity reasons whether it be racial, cutlural or religious. It is not practical to have "Extensive" training for every possible problem a police officer MIGHT get involved with.
For people like the Slurplee Summit, I have one thing to say, say what you want about the cops and other emergency responders, however, they are always the ones running towards danger when Joe Average is running from it, best example 9-11-01!
Then it magically appears, after all of the deranged opinions of yourself, Sammy and Greg; http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_MEN...

And the point is that a few of you really believe that what you're saying is worthy of spewing. Read it and weep! Now, you should know why the police need extensive training to deal with the mentally challenged!!!!
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#34 Jun 1, 2011
Sammy- wrote:
Absolutely amazing just how stirred up you get when mental institutions are brought up. Slurpee we have stuck a nerve with your frail little azz. Paragraph after paragragh, TDO's,green warrants, magistates, fuk god, Petersburg, insurance, government money and on and on.
Your pissed off. Tell us Slurp, do you have a roomy or do you get the rubber walls all to yourself??
It's not about being stirred up, it's about being aware and enough people are put into dangerous situations by the government as it is. It is irresponsible to allow people that pose a danger not only to others but to themselves to wander the streets.

It's probably the real reason behind the justified homicide decision. How can the government convict you of a situation that they've caused? BTW, Grow Up!
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#35 Sep 10, 2011
And I have been lobbying very diligently to bring this program to your neck of the woods.

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/09/hampton-roads...

Since: Feb 10

Midlothian, VA

#37 Sep 11, 2011
One more time for the mentally impaired.

"The 31-year-old Hansen was shot after the officers responded to reports that he was beating his father. A grand jury ruled the shooting justifiable, and county officials have denied allegations since the lawsuits."

First they call the police because the guy is out of control, and he attacks a responding cops who defends themselves.

The Grand Jury has already ruled the shooting was justifiable.

They are not after justice, the family just wants money. That is why they have 2 suits, one against the police officers and now one against the county.

I am sorry for their loss, but don't think they deserve any money over it.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#38 Sep 11, 2011
va_tazdad wrote:
One more time for the mentally impaired.
"The 31-year-old Hansen was shot after the officers responded to reports that he was beating his father. A grand jury ruled the shooting justifiable, and county officials have denied allegations since the lawsuits."
First they call the police because the guy is out of control, and he attacks a responding cops who defends themselves.
The Grand Jury has already ruled the shooting was justifiable.
They are not after justice, the family just wants money. That is why they have 2 suits, one against the police officers and now one against the county.
I am sorry for their loss, but don't think they deserve any money over it.
Settlement offer, on the table, is for $1.5 million.
Slurpee Summit

Petersburg, VA

#39 Sep 11, 2011
va_tazdad wrote:
One more time for the mentally impaired.
"The 31-year-old Hansen was shot after the officers responded to reports that he was beating his father. A grand jury ruled the shooting justifiable, and county officials have denied allegations since the lawsuits."
First they call the police because the guy is out of control, and he attacks a responding cops who defends themselves.
The Grand Jury has already ruled the shooting was justifiable.
They are not after justice, the family just wants money. That is why they have 2 suits, one against the police officers and now one against the county.
I am sorry for their loss, but don't think they deserve any money over it.
You're not sorry, just pathetic.

Since: Jul 10

Richmond, VA

#40 Sep 11, 2011
Slurpee Summit wrote:
<quoted text> You're not sorry, just pathetic.
Dam Taz your ball rash is back!?!?!?!

Since: Feb 10

Richmond, VA

#41 Sep 11, 2011
Sammy- wrote:
<quoted text>
Dam Taz your ball rash is back!?!?!?!
No offer should ever have been made. No reason to.

As to slurpie, she never was too smart.

Since: Dec 09

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